Need opinions on the best Spyware removal utility

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Though I was completely updated in virus definitions and security
patches, stupidity in forgetting to turn my firewall back on after changing
servers resulted in a nasty bout with Trojan SecThought.E. Seems little
information is available on this trojan as it appears to be a new variant.
After using Spybot and AdaAware and various other means to clean this from
my system, a couple of hours of continuous crashes and freezeups compelled
me to do a complete reformat of my hard drive. At least I was backed up, and
'tis a good thing as I could not reach many of my documents, etc.

My question - what are opinions on the best Spyware utility to use? I do
like Spybot, but believe some of my "post-trojan" problems were due to the
extensive file-destroying this utility does. Though I *did* read
instructions concerning "how to deal with scan results", in all fairness,
perhaps a lack of experience as a first-time user in using Spybot may have
also contributed to my problems.

Thanks for assistance,

MJS
 
The two popular ones: Ad Aware 6.0 and Spybot: Search and Destroy 1.3.

I ran both, since one will pick up something the other does not pick up.


You could also run the spyware blocker spywareblaster. It blocks a series
on "known" spyware from installing onto your system.
 
MJS said:
Though I was completely updated in virus definitions and security
patches, stupidity in forgetting to turn my firewall back on after
changing servers resulted in a nasty bout with Trojan SecThought.E.
Seems little information is available on this trojan as it appears to
be a new variant. After using Spybot and AdaAware and various other
means to clean this from my system, a couple of hours of continuous
crashes and freezeups compelled me to do a complete reformat of my
hard drive. At least I was backed up, and 'tis a good thing as I
could not reach many of my documents, etc.

My question - what are opinions on the best Spyware utility to
use? I do like Spybot, but believe some of my "post-trojan" problems
were due to the extensive file-destroying this utility does. Though I
*did* read instructions concerning "how to deal with scan results",
in all fairness, perhaps a lack of experience as a first-time user in
using Spybot may have also contributed to my problems.

The first 5 are my favorites (in the spyware section.)

Suggestions on what you can do to secure/clean your PC. I'm going to try
and be general, I will assume a "Windows" operating system is what is
being secured here.


UPDATES and PATCHES
-------------------

This one is the most obvious. There is no perfect product and any company
worth their salt will try to meet/exceed the needs of their customers and
fix any problems they find along the way. I am not going to say Microsoft
is the best company in the world about this but they do have an option
available for you to use to keep your machine updated and patched from
the problems and vulnerabilities (as well as product improvements in some
cases) - and it's free to you.

Windows Update
http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/

Go there and scan your machine for updates. Always get the critical ones as
you see them. Write down the KB###### or Q###### you see when selecting the
updates and if you have trouble over the next few days, go into your control
panel (Add/Remove Programs), match up the latest numbers you downloaded
recently (since you started noticing an issue) and uninstall them. If there
was more than one (usually is), install them back one by one - with a few
hours of use in between, to see if the problem returns. Yes - the process
is not perfect (updating) and can cause trouble like I mentioned - but as
you can see, the solution isn't that bad - and is MUCH better than the
alternatives. (SASSER/BLASTER were SO preventable with just this step!)

Windows is not the only product you likely have on your PC. The
manufacturers of the other products usually have updates as well. New
versions of almost everything come out all the time - some are free, some
are pay - some you can only download if you are registered - but it is best
to check. Just go to their web pages and look under their support and
download sections.

You also have hardware on your machine that requires drivers to interface
with the operating system. You have a video card that allows you to see on
your screen, a sound card that allows you to hear your PCs sound output and
so on. Visit those manufacturer web sites for the latest downloadable
drivers for your hardware/operating system. Always (IMO) get the
manufacturers hardware driver over any Microsoft offers. On the Windows
Update site I mentioned earlier, I suggest NOT getting their hardware
drivers - no matter how tempting.

Have I mentioned that Microsoft has some stuff to help secure your computer
available to the end-user for free? This seems as good of a time as any.
They have a CD you can order (it's free) that contain all of the Windows
patches through October 2003 and some trial products as well that they
released in February 2004. Yeah - it's a little behind now, but it's better
than nothing (and used in coordination with the information in this post,
well worth the purchase price..)

Order the Windows Security Update CD
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/cd/order.asp

They also have a bunch of suggestions, some similar to these, on how to
better protect your Windows system:

Protect your PC
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/


FIREWALL
--------

Let's say you are up-to-date on the OS (operating system) and you have
Windows XP.. You should at least turn on the built in firewall. That will
do a lot to "hide" you from the random bad things flying around the
Internet. Things like Sasser/Blaster enjoy just sitting out there in
Cyberspace looking for an unprotected Windows Operating System and jumping
on it, doing great damage in the process and then using that Unprotected OS
to continue its dirty work of infecting others. If you have the Windows XP
ICF turned on - default configuration - then they cannot see you! Think of
it as Internet Stealth Mode at this point. It has other advantages, like
actually locking the doors you didn't even (likely) know you had. Doing
this is simple, the instructions you need to use your built in Windows XP
firewall can be found here:

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=320855

If you read through that and look through the pages that are linked from it
at the bottom of that page - I think you should have a firm grasp on the
basics of the Windows XP Firewall as it is today. One thing to note RIGHT
NOW - if you have AOL, you cannot use this nice firewall that came with
your system. Thank AOL, not Microsoft. You HAVE to configure another
one.. So we continue with our session on Firewalls...

But let's say you DON'T have Windows XP - you have some other OS like
Windows 95, 98, 98SE, ME, NT, 2000. Well, you don't have the nifty built in
firewall. My suggestion - upgrade. My next suggestion - look through your
options. There are lots of free and pay firewalls out there for home users.
Yes - you will have to decide on your own which to get. Yes, you will have
to learn (oh no!) to use these firewalls and configure them so they don't
interfere with what you want to do while continuing to provide the security
you desire. It's just like anything else you want to protect - you have to
do something to protect it. Here are some suggested applications. A lot of
people tout "ZoneAlarm" as being the best alternative to just using the
Windows XP ICF, but truthfully - any of these alternatives are much better
than the Windows XP ICF at what they do - because that is ALL they do.

ZoneAlarm (Free and up)
http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/company/products/znalm/freeDownload.jsp

Kerio Personal Firewall (KPF) (Free and up)
http://www.kerio.com/kpf_download.html

Outpost Firewall from Agnitum (Free and up)
http://www.agnitum.com/download/

Sygate Personal Firewall (Free and up)
http://smb.sygate.com/buy/download_buy.htm

Symantec's Norton Personal Firewall (~$25 and up)
http://www.symantec.com/sabu/nis/npf/

BlackICE PC Protection ($39.95 and up)
http://blackice.iss.net/

Tiny Personal Firewall (~$49.00 and up)
http://www.tinysoftware.com/

That list is not complete, but they are good firewall options, every one of
them. Visit the web pages, read up, ask around if you like - make a
decision and go with some firewall, any firewall. Also, maintain it.
Sometimes new holes are discovered in even the best of these products and
patches are released from the company to remedy this problem. However, if
you don't get the patches (check the manufacturer web page on occasion),
then you may never know you have the problem and/or are being used through
this weakness. Also, don't stack these things. Running more than one
firewall will not make you safer - it would likely (in fact) negate some
protection you gleamed from one or the other firewalls you ran together.


ANTIVIRUS SOFTWARE
------------------

That's not all. That's one facet of a secure PC, but firewalls don't do
everything. I saw one idiot posting on a newsgroup that "they had
never had a virus and they never run any anti-virus software. Yep - I used
to believe that way too - viruses were something everyone else seemed to
get, were they just stupid? And for the average joe-user who is careful,
uses their one-three family computers carefully, never opening unknown
attachments, always visiting the same family safe web sites, never
installing anything that did not come with their computer - maybe, just
maybe they will never witness a virus. I, however, am a Network Systems
Administrator. I see that AntiVirus software is an absolute necessity. You
can be as careful as you want - will the next person be as careful? Will
someone send you unknowingly the email that erases all the pictures of your
child/childhood? Possibly - why take the chance? ALWAYS RUN ANTIVIRUS
SOFTWARE and KEEP IT UP TO DATE! Antivirus software comes in so many
flavors, it's like walking into a Jelly Belly store - which one tastes like
what?! Well, here are a few choices for you. Some of these are free (isn't
that nice?) and some are not. Is one better than the other - MAYBE. I
personally love Symantec AV.

Symantec (Norton) AntiVirus (~$11 and up)
http://www.symantec.com/

Kaspersky Anti-Virus (~$49.95 and up)
http://www.kaspersky.com/products.html

Panda Antivirus Titanium (~$39.95 and up)
http://www.pandasoftware.com/
(Free Online Scanner: http://www.pandasoftware.com/activescan/)

AVG 6.0 Anti-Virus System (Free and up)
http://www.grisoft.com/

McAfee VirusScan (~$11 and up)
http://www.mcafee.com/

AntiVir (Free and up)
http://www.free-av.com/

avast! 4 (Free and up)
http://www.avast.com/

Trend Micro (~$49.95 and up)
http://www.trendmicro.com/
(Free Online Scanner:
http://housecall.trendmicro.com/housecall/start_corp.asp)

Did I mention you have to not only install this software, but also keep it
updated? You do. Some of them (most) have automatic services to help you
do this - I mean, it's not your job to keep up with the half-dozen or more
new threats that come out daily, is it? Be sure to keep whichever one you
choose up to date!


SPYWARE/ADWARE/POPUPS
---------------------

So you must be thinking that the above two things got your back now - you
are covered, safe and secure in your little fox hole. Wrong! There are
more bad guys out there. There are annoyances out there you can get without
trying. Your normal web surfing, maybe a wrong click on a web page, maybe
just a momentary lack of judgment by installing some software packages
without doing the research.. And all of a sudden your screen starts filling
up with advertisements or your Internet seems much slower or your home page
won't stay what you set it and goes someplace unfamiliar to you. This is
spyware. There are a whole SLEW of software packages out there to get rid
of this crud and help prevent reinfection. Some of the products already
mentioned might even have branched out into this arena. However, there are
a few applications that seem to be the best at what they do, which is
eradicating and immunizing your system from this crap. Strangely, the best
products I have found in this category ARE generally free. That is a trend
I like. I make donations to some of them, they deserve it!

Spybot Search and Destroy (Free!)
http://www.safer-networking.net/

Lavasoft AdAware (Free and up)
http://www.lavasoft.de

CWSShredder (Free!)
http://www.spywareinfo.com/~merijn/downloads.html

Hijack This! (Free)
http://mjc1.com/mirror/hjt/
( Tutorial: http://www.spywareinfo.com/~merijn/htlogtutorial.html )

SpywareBlaster (Free!)
http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/

IE-SPYAD (Free!)
http://www.staff.uiuc.edu/~ehowes/resource.htm

ToolbarCop (Free!)
http://www.mvps.org/sramesh2k/toolbarcop.htm

Bazooka Adware and Spyware Scanner (Free!)
http://kephyr.sureshot.xaviermedia.net/spywarescanner/

Browser Security Tests
http://www.jasons-toolbox.com/BrowserSecurity/

The Cleaner (49.95 and up)
http://www.moosoft.com/

That will clean up your machine of the spyware, given that you download and
install several of them, update them regularly and scan with them when you
update. Some (like SpywareBlaster and SpyBot Search and Destroy) have
immunization features that will help you prevent your PC from being
infected. Use these features!

Unfortunately, although that will lessen your popups on the Internet/while
you are online, it won't eliminate them. I have looked at a lot of options,
seen a lot of them used in production with people who seem to attract popups
like a plague, and I only have one suggestion that end up serving double
duty (search engine and popup stopper in one):

The Google Toolbar (Free!)
http://toolbar.google.com/

Yeah - it adds a bar to your Internet Explorer - but its a useful one. You
can search from there anytime with one of the best search engines on the
planet (IMO.) And the fact it stops most popups - wow - BONUS! If you
don't like that suggestion, then I am just going to say you go to
www.google.com and search for other options.

One more suggestion, although I will suggest this in a way later, is to
disable your Windows Messenger service. This service is not used frequently
(if at all) by the normal home user and in cooperation with a good firewall,
is generally unnecessary. Microsoft has instructions on how to do this for
Windows XP here:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/using/howto/communicate/stopspam.asp


SPAM EMAIL/JUNK MAIL
--------------------

This one can get annoying, just like the rest. You get 50 emails in one
sitting and 2 of them you wanted. NICE! (Not.) What can you do? Well,
although there are services out there to help you, some email
servers/services that actually do lower your spam with features built into
their servers - I still like the methods that let you be the end-decision
maker on what is spam and what isn't. If these things worked perfectly, we
wouldn't need people and then there would be no spam anyway - vicious
circle, eh? Anyway - I have two products to suggest to you, look at them
and see if either of them suite your needs. Again, if they don't, Google is
free and available for your perusal.

SpamBayes (Free!)
http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/

Spamihilator (Free!)
http://www.spamihilator.com/

As I said, those are not your only options, but are reliable ones I have
seen function for hundreds+ people.


DISABLE (Set to Manual) UNUSED SERVICE/STARTUP APPS
---------------------------------------------------

I might get arguments on putting this one here, but it's my spill. There are
lots of services on your PC that are probably turned on by default you don't
use. Why have them on? Check out these web pages to see what all of the
services you might find on your computer are and set them according to your
personal needs. Be CAREFUL what you set to manual, and take heed and write
down as you change things! Also, don't expect a large performance increase
or anything - especially on todays 2+ GHz machines, however - I look at each
service you set to manual as one less service you have to worry about
someone exploiting. A year ago, I would have thought the Windows Messenger
service to be pretty safe, now I recommend (with addition of a firewall)
that most home users disable it! Yeah - this is another one you have to
work for, but your computer may speed up and/or be more secure because you
took the time. And if you document what you do as you do it, next time, it
goes MUCH faster! (or if you have to go back and re-enable things..)

Task List Programs
http://www.answersthatwork.com/Tasklist_pages/tasklist.htm

Black Viper's Service List and Opinions (XP)
http://www.blackviper.com/WinXP/servicecfg.htm

Processes in Windows NT/2000/XP
http://www.reger24.de/prozesse/

There are also applications that AREN'T services that startup when you start
up the computer/logon. One of the better description on how to handle these
I have found here:

Startups
http://www.pacs-portal.co.uk/startup_content.php


That's it. A small booklet on how to keep your computer secure, clean of
scum and more user friendly. I am SURE I missed something, almost as I am
sure you won't read all of it (anyone for that matter.) However, I also
know that someone who followed all of the advice above would also have less
problems with their PC, less problems with viruses, less problems with spam,
less problems with spyware and better performance than someone who didn't.

Hope it helps.
 
MJS said:
Though I was completely updated in virus definitions and security
patches, stupidity in forgetting to turn my firewall back on after
changing servers resulted in a nasty bout with Trojan SecThought.E.
Seems little information is available on this trojan as it appears to
be a new variant. After using Spybot and AdaAware and various other
means to clean this from my system, a couple of hours of continuous
crashes and freezeups compelled me to do a complete reformat of my
hard drive. At least I was backed up, and 'tis a good thing as I
could not reach many of my documents, etc.

My question - what are opinions on the best Spyware utility to
use? I do like Spybot, but believe some of my "post-trojan" problems
were due to the extensive file-destroying this utility does. Though I
*did* read instructions concerning "how to deal with scan results",
in all fairness, perhaps a lack of experience as a first-time user in
using Spybot may have also contributed to my problems.

Thanks for assistance,

MJS

The best spyware software doesn't exist. You need to use a combination
of spyware tools.

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MJS said:
My question - what are opinions on the best Spyware utility to
use? I do like Spybot, but believe some of my "post-trojan" problems
were due to the extensive file-destroying this utility does.



I used to run Adaware and Spybot Search and Destroy daily. Every
day, each found things (normally cookies) the other didn't.

Several months ago, I installed Spyware Blaster, which prevents
spyware installations. Since doing so, Spybot Search and Destroy
has never found anything and I've discontinued its use.

Adaware still finds an occasional cookie (perhaps two or three a
week) so I still run it.

I think the best product, if you want a single one, is Spyware
Blaster. If you're willing to have two, I'd add Adaware. I no
longer use nor recommend Spybot Search and Destroy.
 
I used to run Adaware and Spybot Search and Destroy daily. Every
day, each found things (normally cookies) the other didn't.

Several months ago, I installed Spyware Blaster, which prevents
spyware installations. Since doing so, Spybot Search and Destroy
has never found anything and I've discontinued its use.

Adaware still finds an occasional cookie (perhaps two or three a
week) so I still run it.

I think the best product, if you want a single one, is Spyware
Blaster. If you're willing to have two, I'd add Adaware. I no
longer use nor recommend Spybot Search and Destroy.

Ken,

One thing I have found to be true is that even running both, Spybot Search
and Destroy often immunizes against things that SpywareBlaster does not and
vice-versa. It's usually a 300-500 item difference. I think this
immunization feature (of both) is what keeps me using both.
 
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Shenan Stanley said:
Ken,

One thing I have found to be true is that even running both, Spybot
Search and Destroy often immunizes against things that SpywareBlaster
does not and vice-versa. It's usually a 300-500 item difference. I
think this immunization feature (of both) is what keeps me
using both.


That hasn't been my exerience, since as I said, I ran SS&D daily
for over a month without it finding a single thing. But I'll take
your advice and give it another try.
 
I used to run Adaware and Spybot Search and Destroy daily. Every
day, each found things (normally cookies) the other didn't.

Several months ago, I installed Spyware Blaster, which prevents
spyware installations. Since doing so, Spybot Search and Destroy
has never found anything and I've discontinued its use.

Adaware still finds an occasional cookie (perhaps two or three a
week) so I still run it.

I think the best product, if you want a single one, is Spyware
Blaster. If you're willing to have two, I'd add Adaware. I no
longer use nor recommend Spybot Search and Destroy.

Shenan said:
One thing I have found to be true is that even running both, Spybot
Search and Destroy often immunizes against things that SpywareBlaster
does not and vice-versa. It's usually a 300-500 item difference. I
think this immunization feature (of both) is what keeps me using
both.

That hasn't been my exerience, since as I said, I ran SS&D daily
for over a month without it finding a single thing. But I'll take
your advice and give it another try.


I hardly ever scan anymore (I never find anything other than the occassional
cookies) with Spybot or AdAware, but I use both SpywareBlaster and SpyBot
Search and Destroy (update them both) to immunize the system. I notice just
today that there was a difference of 148 (more on Spybot's side) after
updating both and immunizing with both.
 
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Shenan Stanley said:
I hardly ever scan anymore (I never find anything other than the
occassional cookies) with Spybot or AdAware, but I use both
SpywareBlaster and SpyBot Search and Destroy (update them both) to
immunize the system. I notice just today that there was a difference
of 148 (more on Spybot's side) after updating both and immunizing
with both.


I just ran SS&D and let it immunize against 138 new things it
found. So things have apparently changed since the last time I
ran it. Thanks for the advice. I'll run it regularly (for
immunization purposes) again, and modify the recommendation I
make to others.
 
Hi MJS - If you want to take steps to defend your machine, there are a
number of things which need to be considered. I would suggest the following:
The minimum necessary to start with are a good hardware or software firewall
and an AV.

For the general hijack case, the best way to start is to get Ad-Aware 6.0,
Build 181 or later, here: http://www.lavasoftusa.com/support/download/.
UPDATE and run this regularly to get rid of most "spyware/hijackware" on
your machine. If it has to fix things, be sure to re-boot and rerun AdAware
again and repeat this cycle until you get a clean scan. The reason is that
it may have to remove things which are currently "in use" before it can then
clean up others.

Another excellent program for this purpose is SpyBot Search and Destroy
available here: http://security.kolla.de/ SpyBot Support Forum here:
http://www.net-integration.net/cgi-bin/forums/ikonboard.cgi. I recommend
using both normally. After UPDATING and fixing things with SpyBot S&D, be
sure to re-boot and rerun SpyBot again and repeat this cycle until you get a
clean "no red" scan. The reason is that SpyBot sometimes has to remove
things which are currently "in use" before it can then clean up others.



Note that sometimes you need to make a judgement call about what these
programs report as spyware. See here, for example:
http://www.imilly.com/alexa.htm



Next, courtesy of Mike Burgess:

"--Recommended Minimum Security Settings--

Close all instances of IE and OE

Control Panel | Internet Options

Click on the "Security" tab

Highlight the "Internet" icon, click "Custom Level"

1) "Download signed ActiveX scripts" = Prompt

2) "Download unsigned ActiveX scripts = Disable

3) "Initialize and script ActiveX not marked as safe" = Disable

4) "Installation of Desktop items" = Prompt

5) "Launching programs and files in a IFRAME" = Prompt

Click on the "Content" tab

Click the "Publishers" button

Highlight and click "Remove" any unknowns, click Ok

Click on the "Advanced" tab

Uncheck: "Install on demand (other)", click Apply\Ok

Prevent your "HomePage" setting from being Hijacked

http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/ietips.htm

_____________________________

Mike Burgess

Information isn't free if you can't find it!

http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/"



Note the Publisher setting - this vector is often overlooked.



Then, from me:

You might want to consider installing the SpywareBlaster and SpywareGuard
here to help prevent this kind of thing from happening in the future:

http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/spywareblaster.html (Prevents malware Active
X installs) (BTW, SpyWare Blaster is not memory resident ... no CPU or
memory load - but keep it UPDATED) The latest version as of this writing
will prevent installation or prevent the malware from running (887 parasites
as of this date) if it is already installed, and it provides information and
fixit-links for a variety of parasites.

http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/spywareguard.html (Monitors for attempts

to install malware) Keep it UPDATED. Both Very Highly Recommended.



Next, install and keep updated a good HOSTS file. It can help you avoid most
adware/malware. See here: http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm (Be sure
it's named/renamed HOSTS - all caps, no extension)



Lastly, with regards to cookies: Courtesy of Mel's Spyware Tools, here:
http://homepage.cooketech.net/~cybermel/Mel's Spyware Tools and Ad Blockers.html

XML-Menu for IE6 - (http://www.staff.uiuc.edu/~ehowes/main.htm, click on IE6
Tools on website) "This package contains a full menu of custom Import XML
files that can be used to manipulate IE6's handling of cookies in the
Internet and Trusted zones (the Privacy tab controls only the Internet
zone). The files are divided into three sets: one "short list" of
recommended files, and two "advanced" lists containing a wide range of
possible Privacy configurations. The ReadMe covers the basics of using
custom XML Import files and details all the files that are available. A .REG
file that can be used to restore the default Privacy tab settings is
included."

This is the technique that I use and, while I do very infrequently have to
override on some sites that don't have a Privacy Policy in place, I've found
it almost infallible in stopping bad cookies (I use 1-e, BTW) FWIW, Eric
Howes site, above, is one of the very best on the net with regard to
anything having to do with security. Very Highly Recommended.



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Please respond in the same thread.
Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP



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The biggest problem with Spybot Search and Destroy was that it was stagnent for about 3 months while the program makers were sorting out some of the bugs with the new release. I too stopped using Spybot Search and Destroy for some time. Now there are new definition releases and once again Spybot is a usefull and valuable tool. In order for an advanced user like yourself (Ken) to get the full use out of Spybot I do not recommend the immunization tool as even the makers of Spybot will tell you that SpywareBlaster does a much better job, but you should go into file sets and enable all of the functions. This will allow you to clear usage tracks and recover wasted space along with finding Spyware\Adware. I have 1.3 rc5 of SpybotSearch and Destroy. I don't like or use the TeaTimer in it as I hate the way it works. I also don't use their host file or IE Tweaks. I also use SpywareGuard and Adaware along with SpywareBlaster and HijackThis. Although I would be careful with Hijack This as it is for advanced users only not beginners. I never get any Spyware\Adware and along with the new pop-up blocker and improved firewall settings in the XP SP2 find that my machine is virtually invisible to the internet for hackers\advertisers to mess up. Have fun. {:~)
 
The said:
The biggest problem with Spybot Search and Destroy was that it was
stagnent for about 3 months while the program makers were sorting out
some of the bugs with the new release. I too stopped using Spybot
Search and Destroy for some time. Now there are new definition
releases and once again Spybot is a usefull and valuable tool. In
order for an advanced user like yourself (Ken) to get the full use
out of Spybot I do not recommend the immunization tool as even the
makers of Spybot will tell you that SpywareBlaster does a much better
job, but you should go into file sets and enable all of the
functions. This will allow you to clear usage tracks and recover
wasted space along with finding Spyware\Adware. I have 1.3 rc5 of
SpybotSearch and Destroy. I don't like or use the TeaTimer in it as I
hate the way it works. I also don't use their host file or IE Tweaks.
I also use SpywareGuard and Adaware along with SpywareBlaster and
HijackThis. Although I would be careful with Hijack This as it is for
advanced users only not beginners. I never get any Spyware\Adware and
along with the new pop-up blocker and improved firewall settings in
the XP SP2 find that my machine is virtually invisible to the
internet for hackers\advertisers to mess up. Have fun. {:~)

You can do awayt with both (practically) with IE-SPYAD (Free!)
http://www.staff.uiuc.edu/~ehowes/resource.htm

Otherwise, I sort of agree. However, even though SpyBot says SpywareBlaster
is better at it, I know that it frequently immunizes against a number of
items that SpywareBlaster does not. =)
 
The said:
The biggest problem with Spybot Search and Destroy was that it was
stagnent for about 3 months while the program makers were sorting out
some of the bugs with the new release. I too stopped using Spybot
Search and Destroy for some time. Now there are new definition
releases and once again Spybot is a usefull and valuable tool. In
order for an advanced user like yourself (Ken) to get the full use
out of Spybot I do not recommend the immunization tool as even the
makers of Spybot will tell you that SpywareBlaster does a much better
job, but you should go into file sets and enable all of the
functions. This will allow you to clear usage tracks and recover
wasted space along with finding Spyware\Adware. I have 1.3 rc5 of
SpybotSearch and Destroy. I don't like or use the TeaTimer in it as I
hate the way it works. I also don't use their host file or IE Tweaks.
I also use SpywareGuard and Adaware along with SpywareBlaster and
HijackThis. Although I would be careful with Hijack This as it is for
advanced users only not beginners. I never get any Spyware\Adware and
along with the new pop-up blocker and improved firewall settings in
the XP SP2 find that my machine is virtually invisible to the
internet for hackers\advertisers to mess up. Have fun. {:~)

You can do awayt with both (practically) with IE-SPYAD (Free!)
http://www.staff.uiuc.edu/~ehowes/resource.htm

Otherwise, I sort of agree. However, even though SpyBot says SpywareBlaster
is better at it, I know that it frequently immunizes against a number of
items that SpywareBlaster does not. =)

--
<- Shenan ->
--
The information is provided "as is", with no guarantees of
completeness, accuracy or timeliness, and without warranties of any
kind, express or implied. In other words, read up before you take any
advice - you are the one ultimately responsible for your actions.


I appreciate all the replies. I have used AdAware for quite some time
now, and will add SpywareBlaster.

And it didn't take but once to teach me a lesson in "waiting til later
to update" after a major loss of data caused by an episode with a worm;
therefore, I always stay up to date on virus definitions and security
updates.

Thanks again,

MJS
 
----- MJS wrote: ----

Though I was completely updated in virus definitions and securit
patches, stupidity in forgetting to turn my firewall back on after changin
servers resulted in a nasty bout with Trojan SecThought.E. Seems littl
information is available on this trojan as it appears to be a new variant
After using Spybot and AdaAware and various other means to clean this fro
my system, a couple of hours of continuous crashes and freezeups compelle
me to do a complete reformat of my hard drive. At least I was backed up, an
'tis a good thing as I could not reach many of my documents, etc

My question - what are opinions on the best Spyware utility to use? I d
like Spybot, but believe some of my "post-trojan" problems were due to th
extensive file-destroying this utility does. Though I *did* rea
instructions concerning "how to deal with scan results", in all fairness
perhaps a lack of experience as a first-time user in using Spybot may hav
also contributed to my problems

Thanks for assistance

MJ

Your best defence is to read and learn here is a great place to star
www.spywareinfo.co
 
In
The Unknown p said:
The biggest problem with Spybot Search and Destroy was that it was
stagnent for about 3 months while the program makers were sorting out
some of the bugs with the new release.


No, that was long ago--perhaps a year or so--and hasn't been an
issue for some time.

I too stopped using Spybot
Search and Destroy for some time. Now there are new definition
releases and once again Spybot is a usefull and valuable tool. In
order for an advanced user like yourself (Ken) to get the full use
out of Spybot I do not recommend the immunization tool as even the
makers of Spybot will tell you that SpywareBlaster does a much better
job,


No, you've missed the point of the discussion between myself and
Shenan. Which does a better job is irrelevant. Each immunizes
against things the other doesn't, and that's why I'll take
Shenan's advice and use SS&D's immunize feature as well as
Spyware Blaster's. Even if Spyware Blaster immunizes against ten
times as many threats as SS&D, I'm glad to let SS&D protect me
against the few others it can.
 
----- MJS wrote: -----

Though I was completely updated in virus definitions and security
patches, stupidity in forgetting to turn my firewall back on after
changing
servers resulted in a nasty bout with Trojan SecThought.E. Seems little
information is available on this trojan as it appears to be a new
variant.
After using Spybot and AdaAware and various other means to clean this
from
my system, a couple of hours of continuous crashes and freezeups
compelled
me to do a complete reformat of my hard drive. At least I was backed
up, and
'tis a good thing as I could not reach many of my documents, etc.

My question - what are opinions on the best Spyware utility to use?
I do
like Spybot, but believe some of my "post-trojan" problems were due to
the
extensive file-destroying this utility does. Though I *did* read
instructions concerning "how to deal with scan results", in all
fairness,
perhaps a lack of experience as a first-time user in using Spybot may
have
also contributed to my problems.

Thanks for assistance,

MJS


Your best defence is to read and learn here is a great place to start
www.spywareinfo.com

Thank you for the defense url. However, I have had to deal with several
instances of spyware on others' machines and know the extent of damage
spyware can bring. I have used AdAware for some time now, like it and had
planned to stay with it, but wanted something to go along with it other than
Spybot.


MJS
 
MJS said:
Though I was completely updated in virus definitions and security
patches, stupidity in forgetting to turn my firewall back on after
changing servers resulted in a nasty bout with Trojan SecThought.E.
Seems little information is available on this trojan as it appears to
be a new variant. After using Spybot and AdaAware and various other
means to clean this from my system, a couple of hours of continuous
crashes and freezeups compelled me to do a complete reformat of my
hard drive. At least I was backed up, and 'tis a good thing as I
could not reach many of my documents, etc.

My question - what are opinions on the best Spyware utility to
use? I do like Spybot, but believe some of my "post-trojan" problems
were due to the extensive file-destroying this utility does. Though I
*did* read instructions concerning "how to deal with scan results",
in all fairness, perhaps a lack of experience as a first-time user in
using Spybot may have also contributed to my problems.

Thanks for assistance,

MJS

The best spyware software doesn't exist. You need to use a combination
of spyware tools.

--
Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"


You are right, and I agree with you totally per your Norton post,
Norton won't be on the list in my defenSe of vicious things from the
internet. Norton will never ever detect anything on my machine.

MJS
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "MAP" <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 6:36 PM
Subject: RE: Need opinions on the best Spyware removal utility




My question - what are opinions on the best Spyware utility to use?

<snip>

Thanks for assistance,

MJS


Your best defence is to read and learn here is a great place to start
www.spywareinfo.com

Thanks anyways, but my question in defenSe against spyware was - "what
are opinions on the best Spyware utility to use?"

MJS
 
In


No, that was long ago--perhaps a year or so--and hasn't been an
issue for some time.




No, you've missed the point of the discussion between myself and
Shenan. Which does a better job is irrelevant. Each immunizes
against things the other doesn't, and that's why I'll take
Shenan's advice and use SS&D's immunize feature as well as
Spyware Blaster's. Even if Spyware Blaster immunizes against ten
times as many threats as SS&D, I'm glad to let SS&D protect me
against the few others it can.
People talk as if there's something wrong with using both, even if some
entries are duplicated. There isn't. I've used both, plus IE-Spyads for a
long time and there's never any conflict. I haven't had spyware in years.
 

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