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Tarver Engineering
Bàidh Stidean said:
There is no guessing to what I wrote, little shaver.
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There is no guessing to what I wrote, little shaver.
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Tarver Engineering
And sitting in a bookcase not two feet from me is "Mechanic's B-727
Reference Handbook"
It is not an MM, little shaver.
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Tarver Engineering
Bàidh Stidean said:No, I said I have Braniff's maintenance manuals for the 727
You were talking out your ass as usual, Kris.
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Rich Ahrens
running said:ralph, "sparring" is giving the little man, Tarver, too much credit.
discourse on matters of an aviation nature and questioning the little
man on his tripe and other fantasy bullshit is more akin to poking the
village idiot with a stick.
as far as many are concerned, both on usenet and industry based the
little man is ****ing idiot, who would need instructions on how to use
a screwdriver.
Oh, give him credit where credit is due. I'm sure Splappy has figured
out how to open a bottle with a screwdriver.
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running with scissors
Tarver Engineering said:There is no guessing to what I wrote, little shaver.
yeah, you got that right little man.
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Tom Mosher
Bàidh Stidean said:No, I said I have Braniff's maintenance manuals for the 727 - not
that they *wrote* them from scratch, as you claim. They were
published by the airline and are type-specific. I suppose you are now
going to claim that the internal phone directory I have from Braniff
was written by Southwestern Bell?
Yeah, John, explains why I own these books, doesn't it? You are
such a pompous ****. I have the books, John, be happy to show them to
you anytime you're in town.
I was Braniff's only maintenance tech pubs person from November 1988 to
March 1989 (post Dalfort/Braniff separation). Except for the microfilm
copies used at the line stations, all of our maintenance manuals for the
727 were paper copies. Yes, paper. There was no "tape" as you suggest
unless you consider a roll of microfilm in a cartridge "tape".
Considering the fact that we only produced a new cartridge when it was
absolutely necessary, there was a lovely thick binder of paper Temporary
Revisions.
Also, over the years we had customized our manuals to reflect the
engineering changes that were Braniff specific.
Tom Mosher
Braniff Airlines
Technical Publications Department
June 1988 to November 1989
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Tom Mosher
Bàidh Stidean said:And sitting in a bookcase not two feet from me is "Mechanic's B-727
Reference Handbook" in a binder with the Braniff logo and "Prepared by
BI Technical Training" 2/1/66, and covering the model -027QC, an
aircraft unique to Braniff.
Splappy doesn't realize that the microfilm tapes were produced from a
PAPER copy of the manual. We had a nice little expensive machine that
would feed each sheet in and take a photo. Then we would have the film
developed and duplicated into those lovely little microfilm cartridges
that loved to jam and break the film.
Hell, the ten copies of the Airbus A320 maintenance manuals we inherited
from Pan American were on paper. Ten copies of the entire maintenance
manual set - they were shipped to us on two pallets and each pallet was
stacked about four feet high - nothing but paper. No fiche, no
microfilm. We trashed about six sets of the damn things down in Orlando.
We spent thousands of dollars converting the paper manuals to microfilm
so that the line stations could have a copy.
Tom Mosher
Braniff Technical Publications
1988 to 1989 (the fateful November 1989 when we stopped operating)
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Tarver Engineering
Splappy doesn't realize that the microfilm tapes were produced from a
PAPER copy of the manual. We had a nice little expensive machine that
would feed each sheet in and take a photo.
No, little shaver has mistaken a Braniff in house manual for a 727 MM.
Do you have a reading disability, Tom?
As for not realizing, you are way out in kook land with your post, Mosher.
How MMs for an airplane get from one of those hard copy machines to another
is microfilm. Only a complete idiot would make hard copies of each slide,
except as originals to the an airline's engineering department.
<not to include the foreign corporates Mosher is vagely familiar with>
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Tarver Engineering
Tom Mosher said:Bàidh Stidean wrote:
I was Braniff's only maintenance tech pubs person from November 1988 to
March 1989 (post Dalfort/Braniff separation).
Geeze, two losers from the same bankrupt Airline.
Sometimes when I meet these losers on the usenet, I see little wonder their
Airline folded.
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Tom Mosher
You are a ****ing moron. The machine we had shot each page as a separateTarver said:No, little shaver has mistaken a Braniff in house manual for a 727 MM.
Do you have a reading disability, Tom?
As for not realizing, you are way out in kook land with your post, Mosher.
How MMs for an airplane get from one of those hard copy machines to another
is microfilm. Only a complete idiot would make hard copies of each slide,
except as originals to the an airline's engineering department.
<not to include the foreign corporates Mosher is vagely familiar with>
image on a 100+ foot roll of 16mm film.
Obviously, you have no ****ing clue how a tech pubs department works.
Tom Mosher
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Tom Mosher
So what? At least I got free flights and the Braniff job lead to anotherTarver said:Geeze, two losers from the same bankrupt Airline.
Sometimes when I meet these losers on the usenet, I see little wonder their
Airline folded.
at one of the larger corporate pilot training companies.
Currently I'm working for a defense contractor that does $4 billion plus
per year in sales and I was recruited by them.
Tom Mosher
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Bàidh Stidean
There is no guessing to what I wrote, little shaver.
Yeah, you're right. There's no guessing that it's absolute
bullshit.
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Bàidh Stidean
Oh, give him credit where credit is due. I'm sure Splappy has figured
out how to open a bottle with a screwdriver.
Yeah, he did - but the sad fact is that it was a screw-top...
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Bàidh Stidean
It is not an MM, little shaver.
It's one of the airline's maintenance manuals, dumbass, provided to
me by (gasp!) a Braniff mechanic - the very thing I have been saying I
owned from the start. I'm sure you have some manuals somewhere that
show that the 727 does not habe pitot tubes, but - as usual - you will
not cite a single source that backs your claims up. I've said it
before, John, all you have to do to prove people wrong is just cite
*one* thing that backs your claims up. after eight years on this
group, you've never done that once - why?
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Ralph Nesbitt
Even I know that in the 70's, 80's & into the 90's original MM's wereTom Mosher said:You are a ****ing moron. The machine we had shot each page as a separate
image on a 100+ foot roll of 16mm film.
Obviously, you have no ****ing clue how a tech pubs department works.
Tom Mosher
produced page by page on "High Grade Linen non Acidic Paper" then put on
film for rapid reproduction. The company I worked for had a special
warehouse devoted to storage of original Engineering Data & MM's. When the
Burbank facility closed, most original data from there was transferred to
our facility for permanent storage.
To my knowledge the C-130J was the 1st A/C the company produced that the
original design, engineering data, & MM's were created, kept, stored on
computers using digital storage media.
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
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Bàidh Stidean
Splappy doesn't realize that the microfilm tapes were produced from a
PAPER copy of the manual. We had a nice little expensive machine that
would feed each sheet in and take a photo. Then we would have the film
developed and duplicated into those lovely little microfilm cartridges
that loved to jam and break the film.
Hell, the ten copies of the Airbus A320 maintenance manuals we inherited
from Pan American were on paper. Ten copies of the entire maintenance
manual set - they were shipped to us on two pallets and each pallet was
stacked about four feet high - nothing but paper. No fiche, no
microfilm. We trashed about six sets of the damn things down in Orlando.
We spent thousands of dollars converting the paper manuals to microfilm
so that the line stations could have a copy.
Tom Mosher
Braniff Technical Publications
1988 to 1989 (the fateful November 1989 when we stopped operating)
Braniff II, eh? I don't have much from that era - but I would
imagine that since most of the 727-227 fleet belonged to Braniff I,
the manuals I have are probably just earlier versions of what you're
familiar with.
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Ralph Nesbitt
Agred. Keith Williams appears to be a person not from the aviation
groups/industry, there by the sparing comment.
Ralph Nesbitt
Pofessional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
groups/industry, there by the sparing comment.
Ralph Nesbitt
Pofessional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
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Bàidh Stidean
You were talking out your ass as usual, Kris.
You're the only one in this debate who is a laughingstock. First it
was just ADA, then RAM, now you've added a couple of computer NGs to
your list of embarassment. I said I have the books, and you are more
than welcome to view them anytime you are in town. It's not like I
exist behind a CRT, John - Debby's met me, Craig's met me. Next time
you're in town I'll buy you a fifth of Thunderbird and show you the
books.
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Jim Knoyle
Rich Ahrens said:Oh, give him credit where credit is due. I'm sure Splappy has figured
out how to open a bottle with a screwdriver.
I, for one, wouldn't bet on that! It's all I can do to sit back laughing
and force myself from jumping into this thread. I left a good job as
a Sr. Tech. at Fairchild under Dr. Noyce when I moved into the
airline biz so I get a real laugh out of the way he is mutilating Intel
history.
JK
http://home.att.net/~j.knoyle/the_tarver_chronicles.html
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John Mazor
Bàidh Stidean said:On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 23:28:43 -0800, "Tarver Engineering"
You're the only one in this debate who is a laughingstock. First it
was just ADA, then RAM, now you've added a couple of computer NGs to
your list of embarassment. I said I have the books, and you are more
than welcome to view them anytime you are in town. It's not like I
exist behind a CRT, John - Debby's met me, Craig's met me. Next time
you're in town I'll buy you a fifth of Thunderbird and show you the books.
That did it. Splappy will be at your front door at 7 a.m. sharp tomorrow.
Don't expect him to look at the books, though.
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