Multi-sampling How Helpful in Noise reduction?

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Dave

Was all ready to purchase the Coolscan V but now I'm having second
thoughts, since is does not seem to support multisampling. How
valuable is this capability when scanning contrasty Velvia slides?
Would the multisampling capability of the Minolta 5400 or Coolscan
5000 produce better scans in difficult high contrast slides?
Appreciate any advice/comment.
Thanks,
Dave
 
K

Kennedy McEwen

Dave said:
Was all ready to purchase the Coolscan V but now I'm having second
thoughts, since is does not seem to support multisampling. How
valuable is this capability when scanning contrasty Velvia slides?

It probably wouldn't make any difference at all to contrasty slides, but
it does show advantages with low contrast slides and also with negatives
on the LS-4000 (which is the equivalent performance of the LS-50 from
the previous generation).

A lot of reviews of the LS-4000 suggested that the multiscanning benefit
was barely noticeable (presumably why Nikon dropped it when downscaling
the design to the LS-50) but these assessments were all done using good
slides, and looking for the advantage in the shadows, which is not where
the improvements actually appear on this scanner. Even so, you can
implement multiscanning on scanners which do not inherently support it
suing some 3rd party software, such as Vuescan. So if it only something
that you expect to use occasionally you would probably be quite happy
going ahead with the LS-50.
Would the multisampling capability of the Minolta 5400 or Coolscan
5000 produce better scans in difficult high contrast slides?

Multiscanning does carry a significant scan time penalty and it can take
well over half an hour to scan a full resolution frame at 16x on the
LS-4000, depending on the other options used. The LS-5000 is twice as
fast as the LS-4000, so this shouldn't be quite as objectionable, but
the Minolta is already slower than the LS-4000 at the best of times,
especially with the grain dissolver active, so I wouldn't consider that
to be an option if you think your time is valuable and expect to need
this facility a lot.
 
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degrub

Multi-sampling works to reduce random noise in the darkest areas of a
slide. Maybe Kennedy would comment further, but i don't think that
multisampling will make much difference in high contrast slides, except
in the darkest areas where the noise will show up as color speckles. If
the contrastiness of the Velvia is a problem, maybe you should try a few
at an agency on a drum scanner with photo-multiplier tubes and compare.

Frank
 
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David R

The software does not support what you want but Vuescan may (I'm not
sure).
I don't thing multisampling is such a huge deal as compared to having
Digital Ice. I've use multisampling with my Epson and Minolta and I'm
not sure I see a difference.

Good luck
 
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Mike Engles

Dave said:
Was all ready to purchase the Coolscan V but now I'm having second
thoughts, since is does not seem to support multisampling. How
valuable is this capability when scanning contrasty Velvia slides?
Would the multisampling capability of the Minolta 5400 or Coolscan
5000 produce better scans in difficult high contrast slides?
Appreciate any advice/comment.
Thanks,
Dave


Hello

When I had a LS 30 multisampling was certainly worthwhile.
I have a 8 layer demo at this link, assuming you have photoshop 6 or
greater.

http://www.btinternet.com/~mike.engles/mike/samurai.zip.

I now have a LS50. It does not in preview make a brighter image, but
because it is 14 bits I can push the curves to brighten the image as
well as keep the noise down. This scanner produces a output even with
dark Kodachromes, much better scans. The software seems to produce
clipping and blocking in the dark areas, which are not apparent in the
preview.

If you have broadband I can post examples of larger examples of what
multiscanning with the LS 30 did comparing them with what the LS 50
does.
I was going to buy a LS5000, but as ever did not believe that the extra
2 bits would really make a difference.

I have owned the LS 30.40 and now 50 and always chickened out of buying
the bigger brother.

What is certainly getting is ICE. This now works very well with well
exposed Kodachromes, but tends to degrades edges with dark Kodachromes.

On Ektachromes and Negatives it is terrific.

Mike Engles
 

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