MS05-019 security update concern

[Rick \Nutcase\ Rogers]

I like to top post, as I read posts sequentially and do not rely on having
to read only one post to see the entire thread.

If one were to do the latter, then bottom posting makes the most sense as
the entire post history is chronological. If you are reading the posts
sequentially, then top posting makes the most sense as who wants to scroll
through what they've already read repeatedly?

But, then again I also like to in-line post when there are a series of
questions to answer or points to be made. In any case, it has nothing to do
with what newsreader I use (I often post while running Linux installations,
no OE there!). Frankly I'd be more concerned about accuracy of information
than the order in which it appears.

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[kurttrail]

I like to top post, as I read posts sequentially and do not rely on
having to read only one post to see the entire thread.

If one were to do the latter, then bottom posting makes the most
sense as the entire post history is chronological. If you are reading
the posts sequentially, then top posting makes the most sense as who
wants to scroll through what they've already read repeatedly?

But, then again I also like to in-line post when there are a series of
questions to answer or points to be made. In any case, it has nothing
to do with what newsreader I use (I often post while running Linux
installations, no OE there!). Frankly I'd be more concerned about
accuracy of information than the order in which it appears.

And as I have already said, I have no problem with those that top post
because their own personal choice.

Mark was basically saying he top posts because OE makes it easier to top
post.

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[Rick \Nutcase\ Rogers]

Mark was basically saying he top posts because OE makes it easier to top

post.

It does do that, and I know of many who have asked for an added function to
at least give the end-user an option to decide which it does. That's one
thing I like about my Linux newsreader, as I can quickly change the default
position depending on what group I'm in.

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[kurttrail]

It does do that, and I know of many who have asked for an added
function to at least give the end-user an option to decide which it
does. That's one thing I like about my Linux newsreader, as I can
quickly change the default position depending on what group I'm in.

It is just an excuse. Basically saying the devil makes him do it.

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[Mark]

Not an excuse, it just works better that way. If OE allowed you to highlight the portion of the e-mail you wanted to quote, which you can do in ancient Forte, Inc. Agent, that would help.

It does do that, and I know of many who have asked for an added
function to at least give the end-user an option to decide which it
does. That's one thing I like about my Linux newsreader, as I can
quickly change the default position depending on what group I'm in.

It is just an excuse. Basically saying the devil makes him do it.

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[kurttrail]

Not an excuse, it just works better that way. If OE allowed you to
highlight the portion of the e-mail you wanted to quote, which you
can do in ancient Forte, Inc. Agent, that would help.

What does selective quoting have to do with you excuse for top-posting?

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[Mark]

What I experienced in the past is that selecting quoting positions the cursor below the quoted text without the mess of signatures and other quoted text that retains in a replied message.

Not an excuse, it just works better that way. If OE allowed you to
highlight the portion of the e-mail you wanted to quote, which you
can do in ancient Forte, Inc. Agent, that would help.

What does selective quoting have to do with you excuse for top-posting?

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[kurttrail]

What I experienced in the past is that selecting quoting positions
the cursor below the quoted text without the mess of signatures and
other quoted text that retains in a replied message.

OE quotefix can position the cursor at the bottom of the post.


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[Mark]

When installing plug-ins or add-ons, those only make the program(s) more susceptible to crashes and other problems. This is why I avoid installing plug-ins or ad-ins to programs such as Internet Explorer.

What I experienced in the past is that selecting quoting positions
the cursor below the quoted text without the mess of signatures and
other quoted text that retains in a replied message.

OE quotefix can position the cursor at the bottom of the post.


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[kurttrail]

When installing plug-ins or add-ons, those only make the program(s)
more susceptible to crashes and other problems. This is why I avoid
installing plug-ins or ad-ins to programs such as Internet Explorer.

More excuses.

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[Mark]

Its called Trustworthy Computing. Less add-ons and plug-ins installed, less susceptible Windows to more infections, problems, etc.

When installing plug-ins or add-ons, those only make the program(s)
more susceptible to crashes and other problems. This is why I avoid
installing plug-ins or ad-ins to programs such as Internet Explorer.

More excuses.

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[kurttrail]

Its called Trustworthy Computing.

"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!

Less add-ons and plug-ins
installed, less susceptible Windows to more infections, problems,
etc.

Have you actually tried OE Quotefix, or are you applying a
generalization to something without any specific knowledge of it?

Again, it is just another excuse to top post. I'd respect you more, if,
like Rick, you had a real reason why you thought top posting was better.
All you have given are excuses why you feel you have no choice but to
top post.

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[Mark]

Top posted message are easier to read with no scrolling unless its a long message that requires scrolling. I used to in-context and bottom post messages, but many others that I communicated with simply top posted and it is now a normal conformity.

I tried OE Quotefix some time ago, probably over a year ago, and I did not care much for it from crashing OE6 quite a bit.

Its called Trustworthy Computing.

"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!

Less add-ons and plug-ins
installed, less susceptible Windows to more infections, problems,
etc.

Have you actually tried OE Quotefix, or are you applying a
generalization to something without any specific knowledge of it?

Again, it is just another excuse to top post. I'd respect you more, if,
like Rick, you had a real reason why you thought top posting was better.
All you have given are excuses why you feel you have no choice but to
top post.

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[Leythos]

Top posted message are easier to read with no scrolling unless its a long message that requires scrolling. I used to in-context and bottom post messages, but many others that I communicated with simply top posted and it is now a normal conformity.

And your OE does not properly post lines so that real newsreaders can
handle them. Top posting has ALWAYS been a problem. Since MS entered
Usenet with crappy tools and then Windows users hit the masses with
Intenret access we've had to deal with top posting people that still
have no clue or respect for the proper methods.

I tried OE Quotefix some time ago, probably over a year ago, and I did not care much for it from crashing OE6 quite a bit.

OE is really a crappy Usenet client, there are many free clients that do
a much better (and more secure) job and don't have any of the issues
that OE does. Look at SuperGravity, it's free, so is PAN and many
others. If you spend any time on Usenet it will be well worth the
install time.

I'm not picking on you in this post, it's not intended as that, but it
is annoying that MS didn't create a proper Usenet client following the
standards when they started noticing the internet.

 

[kurttrail]

Top posted message are easier to read with no scrolling unless its a
long message that requires scrolling. I used to in-context and
bottom post messages, but many others that I communicated with simply
top posted and it is now a normal conformity.

That is worse than an excuse, you top post out of conformity!

I tried OE Quotefix some time ago, probably over a year ago, and I
did not care much for it from crashing OE6 quite a bit.

Never saw it crash OE. You probably had other problems.

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[NoStop]

OE is really a crappy Usenet client, there are many free clients that do
a much better (and more secure) job and don't have any of the issues
that OE does. Look at SuperGravity, it's free, so is PAN and many
others. If you spend any time on Usenet it will be well worth the
install time.

As I've said before - M$ users are forced to march to a different drum beat
- one created and orchestrated by M$ and one that purposely breaks the
standards. It is only by breaking standards that M$ can keep its users
locked into the M$ marketing machine and keep users dependent and paying
for M$ next "solution" or "innovation".

http://www.euronet.nl/users/frankvw/rants/microsoft/IhateMS_3.html


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A. Yes it is. It's called "Top Posting" and frowned on by the Usenet
community.
Q. But isn't that backasswards?
A. If their reply comes BEFORE what they are quoting, they probably use
Outlook Express under Windoze.
Q. How can I tell what OS a Usenet poster runs?

 

[CS]

It does do that, and I know of many who have asked for an added function to
at least give the end-user an option to decide which it does. That's one
thing I like about my Linux newsreader, as I can quickly change the default
position depending on what group I'm in.

Rick:

If I may ask - which newsreader do you prefer when using Linux?
Currently when in Linux I'm using PAN. (Sorry about the OT.)

Regards.

 

[Steve N.]

And if you have an OEM copy of XP they will pawn you off on the OEM that
supplied you withXP to get the Hotfix, and calling them up, they'll send
you back to MS.

I've never had a problem getting a hotfix from MS for an OEM OS but I
haven't done it in quite a while. Are you speaking from experience?

Steve

 

[kurttrail]

I've never had a problem getting a hotfix from MS for an OEM OS but I
haven't done it in quite a while. Are you speaking from experience?

Nope, just from what others have reported.

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[Steve N.]

Nope, just from what others have reported.

Most what I've read concerning hotfix resolution problems over the last
few years have been the result of someone misreading the information in
the first place and never making the call due to fear of possibly being
changed for it.

Steve