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jim kirk
windows explorer has more problems then those...
its a total mess
its a total mess
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jim kirk
well for me the XP one was better than the vista one...
An example... a friend of mine got a new laptop with vista preinstalled...
the first thing she did was to open WE
to look at files...
fist thing she asked was.. WHERE ARE MY FOLDERS...
I told her, they are hidden...
-Where?
- See the arrow on the bottom of the left pane....? Press that.
-What arrow?
- ( i send a screenshot showing where with an arrow to be sure she would not
miss it)
- Ok I found it...
Then I went ahead and explained every problem she would encounter before
hand because I knew she would ask where are the menu's etc etc... lol
I saved time.. but I wonder what other people will do who dont
have a geek on messenger helping them...
I must note that this person has been using computers for more than 20
years...
Its just that Vista is very alien.... strange design and non intuative.
An example... a friend of mine got a new laptop with vista preinstalled...
the first thing she did was to open WE
to look at files...
fist thing she asked was.. WHERE ARE MY FOLDERS...
I told her, they are hidden...
-Where?
- See the arrow on the bottom of the left pane....? Press that.
-What arrow?
- ( i send a screenshot showing where with an arrow to be sure she would not
miss it)
- Ok I found it...
Then I went ahead and explained every problem she would encounter before
hand because I knew she would ask where are the menu's etc etc... lol
I saved time.. but I wonder what other people will do who dont
have a geek on messenger helping them...
I must note that this person has been using computers for more than 20
years...
Its just that Vista is very alien.... strange design and non intuative.
C
cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)
Another Certification candidate
The Works on My Machine Certification Program
http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000818.html
ROTFL!! I loved this from the comments...
catch ( exception& e )
{
cerr << "Thats weird\n";
cerr << "It works on my machine\n";
}
Error Messages Are Your Friends--------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - -
C
cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)
For what is worth, view some this movie of the two guys at Microsoft
that wrote UAC getting interviewed by another MS guy. While it runs 64
minutes it for the most part isn't boring, quite revealing actually
"Say in in ASCII". IOW, is there a transcript somewhere?
Spending 20% of my month's capped bandwidth to download something that
takes ages to watch in real-time just doesn't hit my spot ;-)
The most accurate diagnostic instrument------------ ----- ---- --- -- - - - -
in medicine is the Retrospectoscope
C
cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 22:34:03 -0500, Chris
You must be joking!
The only reason to use the pathetic "open" view at all, is to save
screen real estate when you are forced to run a very low-res desktop
(e.g. visually impaired).
On the systems I build, the default view is always 2-pane with the
folders tree on the left, List as the current view, and the Status bar
present (XP SP2 defaults to no Status bar).
From Win95 to XP, I did this by setting the default action for Folder
to Explore rather than Open - an early-days tip I got from Elizabeth
Nguyen, who wrote a cool icon position "rememberer" back then.
The trouble with this approach is that certain contexts still duhfault
to Open, and navigating from these will then spawn a new 2-pane
Explorer window. In particular, this makes native OS support for
archives files a PITA.
A more recent problem is that some interactive (as opposed to .REG)
editing of Folder and child "file types" can lose Explore and Open
altogether, because child File Folder (directory) and Drive lose their
parent actions from Folder. That means Search becaomes the new
default action for these things; a common forum complaint.
In contrast, Vista can be made to show the folder tree in the left
pane without having to fiddle with Folder default action, and that's
why it's more seamless when traverseing archives as "folders".
You can also get the old, compact Status bar back (instead of a huge
thing that may cause unwanted content groping to populate) if you
enable the old menu bar, and apply the setting from there. The effect
persists after the old menu bar is hidden again.
But by duuuhfault, the "Folders" pane is marred by "this is what you
ought to see" editorialization that dumps a wad of default "places" at
the top, using up most or all of the pane (depending on window size).
You can turn that off by dragging the Folders strip upwards. Try top
and bottom of that strip, and in my case it wasn't the edge that I
expected to be active as a drag rung.
I like the new Explorer's UI, but it does have a
still-dripping-amniotic-fluid Version 1.0 feel about it. It's way
faster and less buggy than in the beta, but still... my main issues
with Windows Explorer in Vista are:
1) Ambiguity between namespace and file system
This applies especially where both have the same Properties. If you
rename C:\Users\{UserName}\Documents to Blah, is it the directory or
the namespace object that is now called Blah?
2) Unwanted file groping
I'm worried about shell integrations that grope content when folders
are merely listed, without the user even selecting the item that is
groped, let alone "opening" it.
In an age where just about any code can be exploitable, this feels
like a Really Bad Idea [TM] and I'd like a "Safe List" view that turns
it off, and I'd like that view to be the default for:
- Safe Mode
- user-designated folders and subtrees
- the "Downloads" namespace object
- newly-encountered disk volumes (compare with "let's autorun it!")
The things that I particularly love about Vista Windows Explorer are:
- more useful interactive (navigable drop-downs) path bar
- de-selection of file name .EXT when renaming files
- better info just before "drop" of a "drag and drop"
- improved 2-pane mechanics, as above
- they put List view back (yesss!!!)
- better file operation dialogs
Also, and unlike the betas, you can interrupt it when it's fiddling
with content (the progress bar behind the displayed path), instead of
having to wait for a lot of info you are likely to ignore anyway.
I'm also NOT impressed with carried-over duhfaults like:
- FORMAT on the top of the HD volume context menu
- "opening" on content rather than file ext (IE setting)
- hiding of file name extensions
I can't believe they're still doing that in 2007.
ashtrays in the lounge, when I don't even have a car?"
The vast majority of people never use the explorer view.
You must be joking!
The only reason to use the pathetic "open" view at all, is to save
screen real estate when you are forced to run a very low-res desktop
(e.g. visually impaired).
On the systems I build, the default view is always 2-pane with the
folders tree on the left, List as the current view, and the Status bar
present (XP SP2 defaults to no Status bar).
From Win95 to XP, I did this by setting the default action for Folder
to Explore rather than Open - an early-days tip I got from Elizabeth
Nguyen, who wrote a cool icon position "rememberer" back then.
The trouble with this approach is that certain contexts still duhfault
to Open, and navigating from these will then spawn a new 2-pane
Explorer window. In particular, this makes native OS support for
archives files a PITA.
A more recent problem is that some interactive (as opposed to .REG)
editing of Folder and child "file types" can lose Explore and Open
altogether, because child File Folder (directory) and Drive lose their
parent actions from Folder. That means Search becaomes the new
default action for these things; a common forum complaint.
In contrast, Vista can be made to show the folder tree in the left
pane without having to fiddle with Folder default action, and that's
why it's more seamless when traverseing archives as "folders".
You can also get the old, compact Status bar back (instead of a huge
thing that may cause unwanted content groping to populate) if you
enable the old menu bar, and apply the setting from there. The effect
persists after the old menu bar is hidden again.
But by duuuhfault, the "Folders" pane is marred by "this is what you
ought to see" editorialization that dumps a wad of default "places" at
the top, using up most or all of the pane (depending on window size).
You can turn that off by dragging the Folders strip upwards. Try top
and bottom of that strip, and in my case it wasn't the edge that I
expected to be active as a drag rung.
I like the new Explorer's UI, but it does have a
still-dripping-amniotic-fluid Version 1.0 feel about it. It's way
faster and less buggy than in the beta, but still... my main issues
with Windows Explorer in Vista are:
1) Ambiguity between namespace and file system
This applies especially where both have the same Properties. If you
rename C:\Users\{UserName}\Documents to Blah, is it the directory or
the namespace object that is now called Blah?
2) Unwanted file groping
I'm worried about shell integrations that grope content when folders
are merely listed, without the user even selecting the item that is
groped, let alone "opening" it.
In an age where just about any code can be exploitable, this feels
like a Really Bad Idea [TM] and I'd like a "Safe List" view that turns
it off, and I'd like that view to be the default for:
- Safe Mode
- user-designated folders and subtrees
- the "Downloads" namespace object
- newly-encountered disk volumes (compare with "let's autorun it!")
The things that I particularly love about Vista Windows Explorer are:
- more useful interactive (navigable drop-downs) path bar
- de-selection of file name .EXT when renaming files
- better info just before "drop" of a "drag and drop"
- improved 2-pane mechanics, as above
- they put List view back (yesss!!!)
- better file operation dialogs
Also, and unlike the betas, you can interrupt it when it's fiddling
with content (the progress bar behind the displayed path), instead of
having to wait for a lot of info you are likely to ignore anyway.
I'm also NOT impressed with carried-over duhfaults like:
- FORMAT on the top of the HD volume context menu
- "opening" on content rather than file ext (IE setting)
- hiding of file name extensions
I can't believe they're still doing that in 2007.
"Why do I keep open buckets of petrol next to all the-- Risk Management is the clue that asks:
ashtrays in the lounge, when I don't even have a car?"
J
jim kirk
define hide.
I am not talking about hiding folders with the hide attribute.
When you launch windows explorer on XP you have the folder tree...
if you open my computer you have a HUGE FOLDERS button on the toolbar.
In vista you have a small arrow that gives no clue of its functionality. It
says folders and its pointing up towards icons that look like folders. So
logic dictates that its just telling us that
those things up there are folders. Not press here to show your folders!
Dah........
Furthermore if you click that folders arrow thing, there is no reference on
the interface that if you press it again something else will emerge:
Favorite links. So you have to remember this.
The person who thought of this needs to be dipped in tar,
and sacks of feathers emptied on him.
Perhaps you should join him since it seems that you aggree with this
monsterous GUI mistake!
I am not talking about hiding folders with the hide attribute.
When you launch windows explorer on XP you have the folder tree...
if you open my computer you have a HUGE FOLDERS button on the toolbar.
In vista you have a small arrow that gives no clue of its functionality. It
says folders and its pointing up towards icons that look like folders. So
logic dictates that its just telling us that
those things up there are folders. Not press here to show your folders!
Dah........
Furthermore if you click that folders arrow thing, there is no reference on
the interface that if you press it again something else will emerge:
Favorite links. So you have to remember this.
The person who thought of this needs to be dipped in tar,
and sacks of feathers emptied on him.
Perhaps you should join him since it seems that you aggree with this
monsterous GUI mistake!
Z
zoner
Tonight I was talking to MS Support again about this issue and he
suggested that I go into device manager to the HDs
properties -> policies tab and uncheck enable advanced
performance . I did this on all three SATA drives and after rebooting
I was able to copy, move, and delete folders between the drives really
quickly with no hanging. a 1.16 GB folder took less than 20 secs. to
move to another drive.
Thanks to John Murphy, Canadian MS Tech Support for having me try
this. I thought it made sense to have this checked because the drives
are new, fast SATA II drives, I have a fast processor and plenty of
memory (4Gb).
The only remaining issue it seems is something that I may not do
often. If I copy a CD full of large photographs (tif files) to my hard
and after the copy from the CD try to copy the new folder on the hard
drive to another hard drive it hangs and I have to kill Windows
Explorer.
suggested that I go into device manager to the HDs
properties -> policies tab and uncheck enable advanced
performance . I did this on all three SATA drives and after rebooting
I was able to copy, move, and delete folders between the drives really
quickly with no hanging. a 1.16 GB folder took less than 20 secs. to
move to another drive.
Thanks to John Murphy, Canadian MS Tech Support for having me try
this. I thought it made sense to have this checked because the drives
are new, fast SATA II drives, I have a fast processor and plenty of
memory (4Gb).
The only remaining issue it seems is something that I may not do
often. If I copy a CD full of large photographs (tif files) to my hard
and after the copy from the CD try to copy the new folder on the hard
drive to another hard drive it hangs and I have to kill Windows
Explorer.
G
Guest
dear betty...
you are luckie... due to a strange trojan virus, i have the windows explorer
restarting every 5 minutes on vista ultimate... it's frustrating... and it
doesn't work even with the "sistem restore program"...
we all are computer users for years now and we all hope that this problem
has a solution...
maybe u have a solution to the problem...
Adrian
you are luckie... due to a strange trojan virus, i have the windows explorer
restarting every 5 minutes on vista ultimate... it's frustrating... and it
doesn't work even with the "sistem restore program"...
we all are computer users for years now and we all hope that this problem
has a solution...
maybe u have a solution to the problem...
Adrian