Moving OS to New Computer

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bronicabill

I can't seem to find a suitable answer in the Microsoft documentation, so I
thought I would ask here...

My wife's computer is getting pretty old and tired, and I'm going to build
her a new one soon. When I do, I'll trash the old one, and I want to reuse
the Windows XP Professional that I'm running on it. Since the OS will not be
installed on more than one machine at a time, is there any reason why
Microsoft will not allow this?

Thanks in advance for any help on this issue.

Bill Rainey
 
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sgopus

if it's an OEM version you can't do it, the license is tied to the first
computer it's installed on, if it's full retail version then it's ok.
 
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1PW

I can't seem to find a suitable answer in the Microsoft documentation, so I
thought I would ask here...

My wife's computer is getting pretty old and tired, and I'm going to build
her a new one soon. When I do, I'll trash the old one, and I want to reuse
the Windows XP Professional that I'm running on it. Since the OS will not be
installed on more than one machine at a time, is there any reason why
Microsoft will not allow this?

Thanks in advance for any help on this issue.

Bill Rainey

Hello Bill:

If the present XP Pro was installed by the computer system's
manufacturer, then the likelihood of making a successful swap is next to
nothing and not permitted in the eyes of Microsoft.

However, if the XP Pro is an OEM version, then you could try the swap
with a repair install.

However, you are much better off doing a clean install.

Pete
 
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bronicabill

Here's the situation... the computer was purchased used without a HDD. I had
a copy of Windows XP Pro that I had previously purchased and I used that with
a new HDD on the computer. I recently discovered while doing running some
Windows updates that the OS was bogus, so I purchased a valid license
directly from Microsoft and fixed the OS following their instructions. The
Windows XP Pro CD showed up today in the mail, and nowhere on it does it say
it is OEM software, only that it is not for resale. Interestingly it also
does NOT have the license key anywhere on the package for the XP Pro install,
only for "Windows Genuine Advantage Kit for Windows XP Professional".

What the heck is a "Genuine Advantage Kit" anyway??? All I wanted was a
legal copy of XP Pro!

Thanks again for your help!
 
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Mark Adams

bronicabill said:
I can't seem to find a suitable answer in the Microsoft documentation, so I
thought I would ask here...

My wife's computer is getting pretty old and tired, and I'm going to build
her a new one soon. When I do, I'll trash the old one, and I want to reuse
the Windows XP Professional that I'm running on it. Since the OS will not be
installed on more than one machine at a time, is there any reason why
Microsoft will not allow this?

Thanks in advance for any help on this issue.

Bill Rainey

If this is a homebuilt machine and you installed XP from a generic install
disk, you can install it on the new machine. If it's been more than 120 days
since it was last activated, it'll activate just fine. If it doesn't, a call
to Microsoft will get it activated. This is in violation of the EULA, but it
*will* work. If you save any part of the old computer (the hard drive, DVD
drive, etc.) then this becomes a repair or upgrade and is not in violation of
the EULA. If you have a retail upgrade or full version install, you can put
it on any *new* machine.
 
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1PW

Hello Bill:

If the present XP Pro was installed by the computer system's
manufacturer, then the likelihood of making a successful swap is next to
nothing and not permitted in the eyes of Microsoft.

However, if the XP Pro is an OEM version, then you could try the swap
with a repair install.

I should have said non-OEM version above.
However, you are much better off doing a clean install.

Pete

I apologize for my mistake here.

Pete
 
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Bruce Chambers

bronicabill said:
I can't seem to find a suitable answer in the Microsoft documentation, so I
thought I would ask here...

My wife's computer is getting pretty old and tired, and I'm going to build
her a new one soon. When I do, I'll trash the old one, and I want to reuse
the Windows XP Professional that I'm running on it. Since the OS will not be
installed on more than one machine at a time, is there any reason why
Microsoft will not allow this?

Thanks in advance for any help on this issue.

Bill Rainey


Assuming a retail license (OEM licenses are not legitimately
transferable), simply remove WinXP from the computer it is currently on
and then install it on the new computer. If it's been more than 120
days since you last activated that specific Product Key, the you'll most
likely be able to activate via the Internet without problem. If it's
been less, you might have to make a 5 minute phone call.

Here are the facts pertaining to activation:

Piracy Basics - Microsoft Product Activation
http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/basics/activation/

Windows Product Activation (WPA)
http://www.aumha.org/a/wpa.htm


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killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot
 
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Daave

bronicabill said:
Here's the situation... the computer was purchased used without a HDD.
I had
a copy of Windows XP Pro that I had previously purchased and I used
that with
a new HDD on the computer. I recently discovered while doing running
some
Windows updates that the OS was bogus, so I purchased a valid license
directly from Microsoft and fixed the OS following their instructions.
The
Windows XP Pro CD showed up today in the mail, and nowhere on it does
it say
it is OEM software, only that it is not for resale. Interestingly it
also
does NOT have the license key anywhere on the package for the XP Pro
install,
only for "Windows Genuine Advantage Kit for Windows XP Professional".

I'm curious to know as well. I Googled but couldn't find anything
definitive if what you purchased is considered OEM or Retail.

How much did you pay for it? Does the CD have a file named eula.txt?
When you right-click My Computer and select Properties, what does it say
in the "Registered to" section? That is, what are the first five digits
of the Product ID, and do the letters "OEM" follow?
 
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sgopus

it's OEM, as it clearly states not for resale, (ie supplied with a computer),
once it's installed on a pc the license is only good for that pc.
 
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LVTravel

bronicabill said:
Here's the situation... the computer was purchased used without a HDD. I
had
a copy of Windows XP Pro that I had previously purchased and I used that
with
a new HDD on the computer. I recently discovered while doing running some
Windows updates that the OS was bogus, so I purchased a valid license
directly from Microsoft and fixed the OS following their instructions. The
Windows XP Pro CD showed up today in the mail, and nowhere on it does it
say
it is OEM software, only that it is not for resale. Interestingly it also
does NOT have the license key anywhere on the package for the XP Pro
install,
only for "Windows Genuine Advantage Kit for Windows XP Professional".

What the heck is a "Genuine Advantage Kit" anyway??? All I wanted was a
legal copy of XP Pro!

Thanks again for your help!


From Microsoft's web site: - Watch long URL which begins with http: and
ends with 63e7435d12c7

http://www.microsoft.com/genuine/do...07&sGuid=27a63e26-3150-421d-8512-63e7435d12c7


What is the genuine Windows offer?
Q:What is the genuine Windows offer?
A:The Microsoft genuine Windows offer is designed to help customers who
unknowingly purchased counterfeit versions of Windows XP by offering those
who qualify a complimentary copy or electronic license key for a genuine
copy of Windows XP.

Q:What are the details of the genuine Windows offer?
A:To help customers who unknowingly purchased a counterfeit version of
Windows XP, Microsoft has created two genuine Windows offers for those who
qualify:

Complimentary offer: Microsoft will make a complimentary copy of Windows XP
available to customers who have been sold counterfeit Windows. Customers
will be required to submit a proof of purchase, the counterfeit CD, and a
counterfeit report with details of their purchase. Only high-quality
counterfeit Windows will qualify for the complimentary offer.

Electronic License Key Offer: Microsoft will offer an alternative for
customers who find out via the WGA validation process that they are not
running genuine Windows, but do not qualify for, or choose not to take
advantage of, the complimentary offer. These customers will be able to
license a Windows Genuine Advantage Kit for Windows XP directly from
Microsoft for a special on-line purchase price. The Windows Genuine
Advantage Kit for Windows XP will include a new 25-character Product Key and
a Windows Product Key Update tool that will allow customers to convert their
counterfeit copy to genuine Windows XP electronically.

Q:How is the Windows Genuine Advantage Kit for Windows XP different from the
product available from resellers?
A:Windows Genuine Advantage Kit for Windows XP is packaged differently and
is only distributed by Microsoft directly to customers who qualify for the
genuine Windows offer. It is not intended for resale.

What’s included in the Windows Genuine Advantage Kit?
Q:What do customers receive when they order the genuine Windows offer from
Microsoft?
A:
If you qualify for the complimentary offer, you will receive a Windows
Genuine Advantage Kit for Windows XP in the mail within 4 to 6 weeks of your
order. The Windows Genuine Advantage Kit contains a CD with a new
25-character Product Key. You should reinstall Windows and reactivate your
PCs using the CD and the new Product Key.
If you request the electronic license key offer, you will receive via email,
upon confirmation of payment, your new 25-character Product Key and
instructions on how to download the Windows Product Key Update Tool. You
will also receive a Windows Genuine Advantage Kit for Windows XP
installation CD in the mail. When you receive your order confirmation, you
can check the Windows Genuine Advantage Kit Order Support page to see when
you will receive your CD.

Q:What technical support is available for the Windows Genuine Advantage Kit
for Windows XP?
A:Once you convert to genuine Windows XP, you are entitled to the support
available from Microsoft for genuine Windows XP. Visit
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/support/default.mspx for details.

Q:Will I be required to re-activate my version of Windows via Product
Activation?
A:
If you receive the complimentary offer, you will be required to reinstall
Windows with the CD you receive and activate your PC with the new
25-character Product Key that comes with the CD.
If you use the electronic key, you will have your Windows system activated
automatically by the Windows Product Key Update Tool, provided with the
offer.

Q:Does the Windows Genuine Advantage Kit for Windows XP CD contain Service
Pack 2?
A:Yes.

Q:How long will it take me to receive my replacement copy?
A:If you qualify for the complimentary offer, Microsoft will send a kit to
you within 4 to 6 weeks of your submission. For the electronic license key
offer, Microsoft will send the electronic key and conversion tool upon
payment confirmation. Timing varies by country and payment type. The
physical media for the electronic license key offer will arrive by post in 4
to 6 weeks.

Q:Who can I contact with inquiries about my order?
A:For contact information to check order status, please refer to your order
confirmation email. If you did not receive an email confirmation of your
order or your new product key, contact your local Microsoft customer
support.

After I receive the kit, how do I convert my software to genuine Windows?
Q:I purchased an electronic license and received the product key in email;
what do I do?
A:To convert your counterfeit Windows XP software to a genuine copy of
Windows XP using the new product key, you will need to download and run the
Windows Product Key Update Tool on the same computer you used to purchase
the electronic license for Windows XP. Visit
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=45668 to download the Windows Product
Key Update Tool. The Windows Product Key Update tool will guide you through
the conversion process and convert your counterfeit Windows XP to a genuine
copy of Windows XP.

Q:How does the electronic license key work?
A:
If you pay for the electronic license key, you will receive an email
confirmation with a new 25-character Product Key and instructions on where
to download the Windows Product Key Update Tool, which will perform a
complete scan of your Windows system files. The update tool will perform a
scan of the approximately 6,000 files which make up the Windows XP
distribution. If the files are unchanged from the original, the scan will
pass and the genuine Windows conversion will continue.

Any differences from the original would indicate a potential vulnerability
and will cause the scan to fail. If the scan fails, you will not be able to
complete the online conversion to genuine Windows. You will be instructed to
store your genuine Windows Product Key in a safe place and wait until your
genuine Windows XP backup disc arrives via postal mail. You should then use
the backup disc, along with your Product Key, to perform a clean
installation of Windows XP.


Q:Why is the system scan necessary?
A:The system scan is necessary because the Windows Genuine Advantage Kit
converts a counterfeit Windows XP system to genuine. Microsoft wants to take
every precaution possible to ensure that the original Windows XP system
files are present and undamaged so that you can have full confidence in your
future experience with genuine Windows. The system scan cannot guarantee
with absolute certainty that your system is safe. Re-installing your
operating system from a CD provided by Microsoft as part of the transaction
will provide a higher level of protection against threats associated with
counterfeit software.

Q:What happens if the scan performed by the Windows Product Key Update Tool
determines that one or more system files have been compromised, corrupted or
tampered with?
A:You will receive the following error:

"One or more Windows files are modified or corrupted. This tool cannot be
used to perform an automatic product key update. Please reinstall Windows
using the Windows Genuine Advantage Kit CD."

As stated in the error text, you must re-install Windows XP from a new
installation CD. When you place an order for a new CD, you can check the
Windows Genuine Advantage Kit Order Support page to see when you will
receive your CD in the mail.

Q:How many PCs can I install using Windows Genuine Advantage Kit for Windows
XP media?
A:Windows Genuine Advantage Kit for Windows XP contains a Microsoft Windows
XP End-User License Agreement (EULA) that limits the installation of the
software to a single computer, such as a workstation, terminal, or other
device ("Workstation Computer").
 
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LVTravel

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Daave

EULA one software for one computer...

Someone seems confused.

Hint:

Read the EULA for an OEM version of Windows XP and then let us know if
the license permits a transfer from one PC to another.

When you say "can be transferred," what exactly do you mean? That is
*possible* to do so? If so, you are correct. But since you don't employ
clarity and no one can read your mind, no one is going to understand
you.

Or that is *permitted* for one to do so if one follows the license they
agreed to... If this is what you mean, you are just plain wrong.
 
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LVTravel

Randem said:
BTW: You really should learn to spell if you want to mock someone...

Is this better? How "Randem Systems" steals Microsoft's Money!


One lousy misplaced letter and you are telling people to steal. Uh, I guess
you really are the thief. Just what I would want to do, go to a thief to
have products installed. How would I know that they are valid, paid for
products, or just pirated like you are attempting to have the OP do.
 
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Randem

And besides you must have NEVER actually read the EULA. The software was
never tied to a single computer. You can transfer it as long as you follow
the rules.

1.1 Installation and use. You may install, use, access, display and run one
copy of the Software on a single computer, such as a workstation, terminal
or other device ("Workstation Computer"). The Software may not be used by
more than one processor at any one time on any single Workstation Computer.

13. SOFTWARE TRANSFER. Internal. You may move the Software to a different
Workstation Computer. After the transfer, you must completely remove the
Software from the former Workstation Computer. Transfer to Third Party. The
initial user of the Software may make a one-time permanent transfer of this
EULA and Software to another end user, provided the initial user retains no
copies of the Software. This transfer must include all of the Software
(including all component parts, the media and printed materials, any
upgrades, this EULA, and, if applicable, the Certificate of Authenticity).
The transfer may not be an indirect transfer, such as a consignment. Prior
to the transfer, the end user receiving the Software must agree to all the
EULA terms.

--
Randem Systems
Your Installation Specialist
The Top Inno Setup Script Generator
http://www.randem.com/innoscript.html
How Banks STEAL Your Money
www.financialtrainingservices.org/bankreviews.htm
Disk Read Error Press Ctl+Alt+Del to Restart
http://www.randem.com/discus/messages/9402/9406.html?1236319938
 
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Daave

Randem said:
OEM versions can be transfered, you just have to call Microsoft to do
so.

then said:
And besides you must have NEVER actually read the EULA. The software
was never tied to a single computer. You can transfer it as long as
you follow the rules.

1.1 Installation and use. You may install, use, access, display and
run one copy of the Software on a single computer, such as a
workstation, terminal or other device ("Workstation Computer"). The
Software may not be used by more than one processor at any one time on
any single Workstation Computer.

13. SOFTWARE TRANSFER. Internal. You may move the Software to a
different Workstation Computer. After the transfer, you must
completely remove the Software from the former Workstation Computer.
Transfer to Third Party. The initial user of the Software may make a
one-time permanent transfer of this EULA and Software to another end
user, provided the initial user retains no copies of the Software.
This transfer must include all of the Software (including all
component parts, the media and printed materials, any upgrades, this
EULA, and, if applicable, the Certificate of Authenticity). The
transfer may not be an indirect transfer, such as a consignment. Prior
to the transfer, the end user receiving the Software must agree to all
the EULA terms.

I see you are still confused because you are quoting the RETAIL EULA,
not the OEM EULA!

Here's the language from the OEM EULA:

1.2 SOFTWARE as a Component of the COMPUTER - Transfer.
This license may not be shared, transferred to or used
concurrently on different computers. The SOFTWARE
is licensed with the COMPUTER as a single integrated
product and may only be used with the COMPUTER.
If the SOFTWARE is not accompanied by HARDWARE,
you may not use the SOFTWARE. You may permanently
transfer all of your rights under this EULA only
as part of a permanent sale or transfer of the
COMPUTER, provided you retain no copies of the
SOFTWARE. If the SOFTWARE is an upgrade,
any transfer must also include all prior versions
of the SOFTWARE. This transfer must
also include the Certificate of Authenticity
label. The transfer may not be an indirect transfer,
such as a consignment. Prior to the transfer,
the end user receiving the Software must agree
to all the EULA terms.
 
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Randem

Yes, you are correct. But if you call Microsoft they and tell them what you
want to do they will ask you if it is the only machine that this software is
installed on. If it is they will give you activation. Since Windows does
check with their database and you had the old computer still using this OS
you would get a message that the OS needs activation. This has happened to
many people who left the old OS installed on another machine. This is the
only thing they actually care about as an individual. If you were a
corporation they would probably do things a little different.

--
Randem Systems
Your Installation Specialist
The Top Inno Setup Script Generator
http://www.randem.com/innoscript.html
How Banks STEAL Your Money
www.financialtrainingservices.org/bankreviews.htm
Disk Read Error Press Ctl+Alt+Del to Restart
http://www.randem.com/discus/messages/9402/9406.html?1236319938
 

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