Move junkmail to deleted

[Sven Berg]

I want items that I deleted in Outlook to be deleted in my pop
account, too.
I can tell Outlook to do so with items in the Deleted Items folder.
How can I tell Outlook to do so with mail in the Junk E-mail folder,
too?
Or how can I automatically move items from Junk Mail to the Deleted
Items?
Thanks, Sven

 

[Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]]

Outlook version? Account type?

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After furious head scratching, Sven Berg asked:

| I want items that I deleted in Outlook to be deleted in my pop
| account, too.
| I can tell Outlook to do so with items in the Deleted Items folder.
| How can I tell Outlook to do so with mail in the Junk E-mail folder,
| too?
| Or how can I automatically move items from Junk Mail to the Deleted
| Items?
| Thanks, Sven

 

[Sven Berg]

Version 2003 and 2007.
Account type pop3, as mentioned.
Thanks, Sven

 

[VanguardLH]

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Version 2003 and 2007.
Account type pop3, as mentioned.

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POP3, as mentioned? As mentioned was "I want items that I deleted in
Outlook to be deleted in my pop account, too." Well, "too" means that
you have some OTHER account than a POP account. If you meant when you
delete them locally in Outlook that you also want them deleted up in
your mailbox on the mail server, that is the default behavior of POP3.
When you poll your POP3 mailbox and then download any new e-mails,
they get deleted up on the server; that is, your e-mail client does a
RETR (retrieve) command to get the e-mails and then issues a DELE
(delete) command to get rid of them up in your mailbox. YOU must have
changed the default configuration to enable the option to leave
messages up on the server, so disable that option. Time to get
acquainted with the various options in Outlook by looking.

To automatically get rid of old items in the Junk and Deleted Items
folder, read Outlook's help on how to use auto-archiving. You can set
auto-archiving on a folder to delete items in that folder that over N
days old, where N is whatever you want for a holding interval. If you
delete the item, items in the Junk folder get moved the Deleted Items
folder, and items in the Deleted Items folder get permanently deleted.
Or, rather than have the junk move into deleted and then later get
deleted from there, you could select to permanently delete the item.
That means junk items will get immediately deleted and not get moved
anywhere, like the Deleted Items folder.

Auto-archiving is a 2-part process. You need to enable the global
option for auto-archiving. Then right-click on a folder, Properties,
and enable auto-archiving on that folder. You need the global option
enabled to have auto-archiving get performed anywhere and you need the
local option on a folder to specify it happens on that folder. This
is much like you need the master breaker on to have electricity
delivered anywhere in your house and then need to use individual wall
switches to determine where you deliver it for room lights.

 

[Sven Berg]

"Autoarchive" was the clue. I got the desired settings by:
Junk E-Mail - Properties - Autoarchive,
Clean out items older than 1 day,
Permanently delete old items.

(Your additional explanations on the grammatical reference of "too"
and the potential misunderstandings for a native speaker who expects a
second language speaker to correctly follow the sophisticated rules
for the usage of "too" are very interesting. Have you been a language
teacher? I promise to improve my English ... before we all got to
learn Chinese ...)

Greetings from Old Europe, Sven

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"Milly Staples" wrote:

Version 2003 and 2007.
Account type pop3, as mentioned.

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edit the Sven's and Milly's posts to show proper indentation (and
change Milly's use of "|" to ">" for the quoting character).

POP3, as mentioned? As mentioned was "I want items that I deleted in
Outlook to be deleted in my pop account, too." Well, "too" means that
you have some OTHER account than a POP account. If you meant when you
delete them locally in Outlook that you also want them deleted up in
your mailbox on the mail server, that is the default behavior of POP3.
When you poll your POP3 mailbox and then download any new e-mails,
they get deleted up on the server; that is, your e-mail client does a
RETR (retrieve) command to get the e-mails and then issues a DELE
(delete) command to get rid of them up in your mailbox. YOU must have
changed the default configuration to enable the option to leave
messages up on the server, so disable that option. Time to get
acquainted with the various options in Outlook by looking.

To automatically get rid of old items in the Junk and Deleted Items
folder, read Outlook's help on how to use auto-archiving. You can set
auto-archiving on a folder to delete items in that folder that over N
days old, where N is whatever you want for a holding interval. If you
delete the item, items in the Junk folder get moved the Deleted Items
folder, and items in the Deleted Items folder get permanently deleted.
Or, rather than have the junk move into deleted and then later get
deleted from there, you could select to permanently delete the item.
That means junk items will get immediately deleted and not get moved
anywhere, like the Deleted Items folder.

Auto-archiving is a 2-part process. You need to enable the global
option for auto-archiving. Then right-click on a folder, Properties,
and enable auto-archiving on that folder. You need the global option
enabled to have auto-archiving get performed anywhere and you need the
local option on a folder to specify it happens on that folder. This
is much like you need the master breaker on to have electricity
delivered anywhere in your house and then need to use individual wall
switches to determine where you deliver it for room lights.

 

[VanguardLH]

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"Autoarchive" was the clue. I got the desired settings by:
Junk E-Mail - Properties - Autoarchive,
Clean out items older than 1 day,
Permanently delete old items.

Make sure you enable the global option. Without it, no folder gets
archived regardless of its local properties.

 

[Sven Berg]

Outlook does not let you enable the described settings unless you
activated the global setting.

 

[VanguardLH]

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Make sure you enable the global option. Without it, no folder gets
archived regardless of its local properties.

Outlook does not let you enable the described settings unless you
activated the global setting.


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In Outlook 2002, the global and local properties are not linked. That
is, I can go around to the folders and set their auto-archive anyway
that I want even if the global archiving function is disabled. I
didn't bother wasting money for unnecessary features in Outlook 2003
or 2007 so I don't know if they change the linkage dependency on the
options (to disable the local archiving properties if the global
option is disabled). I'll take your word that in the later version of
Outlook that those settings are not dependent.

 

[Sven Berg]

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"Sven Berg" wrote

Make sure you enable the global option. Without it, no folder gets
archived regardless of its local properties.

Outlook does not let you enable the described settings unless you
activated the global setting.

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In Outlook 2002, the global and local properties are not linked.  That
is, I can go around to the folders and set their auto-archive anyway
that I want even if the global archiving function is disabled.  I
didn't bother wasting money for unnecessary features in Outlook 2003
or 2007 so I don't know if they change the linkage dependency on the
options (to disable the local archiving properties if the global
option is disabled).  I'll take your word that in the later version of
Outlook that those settings are not dependent.

I checked Outlook 2003 as well as Outlook 2007. Both allow the
activation of archiving of Junk E-Mail only after global archiving was
enabled. So your observing of independency between particular and
global archiving settings holds only for 2002. Glad you brought it in,
so this thread could mutate into a little tutorial ...

Off topic: It is reasonable for a user to decide for a particular
version of Outlook depending on his individual objectives. As for me,
since I work a lot with categories, calendaring functions and
administration of contacts, I did not hesitate a moment to upgrade to
2003, and later to 2007. I am very content with the pronounced
improvements that 2007 gave to my favorite functions.

Blessings for the Easter night, Sven

 

[Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]]

Do you really have no life except as a newsgroup policeman? And who appointed you anyway?

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After furious head scratching, VanguardLH asked:

| "Sven Berg" wrote in message
| ||
|| "Milly Staples" wrote:
|||
||| Sven Berg asked:
||||
|||| I want items that I deleted in Outlook to be deleted in my pop
|||| account, too. I can tell Outlook to do so with items in the
|||| Deleted Items folder. How can I tell Outlook to do so with
|||| mail in the Junk E-mail folder, too? Or how can I automatically
|||| move items from Junk Mail to the Deleted Items?
|||
||| Outlook version? Account type?
||
|| Version 2003 and 2007.
|| Account type pop3, as mentioned.
|
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|
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| change Milly's use of "|" to ">" for the quoting character).
..

 

[VanguardLH]

Do you really have no life except as a newsgroup policeman? And who
appointed you anyway?

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And as a professed MVP even you should know Usenet netiquette. You
keep being rude, and I'll keep needling ya.

 

[Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]]

And I will keep calling you on usenet *rule* rather than usenet *suggestions* - see your precious RFCs for a hint.

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After furious head scratching, VanguardLH asked:

| | Do you really have no life except as a newsgroup policeman? And who
| appointed you anyway?
|
| --
| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
|
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| - Cannot tell what content is from the original poster and
| what is from the respondent.
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|
|
|
|
| And as a professed MVP even you should know Usenet netiquette. You
| keep being rude, and I'll keep needling ya.

 

[VanguardLH]

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And I will keep calling you on usenet *rule* rather than usenet
*suggestions* - see your precious RFCs for a hint.


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And as long as you use quoted-printable format, I will have to
continue using a reply delimiter line to differentiate your content
from mine in my reply. Otherwise, how do YOU suggest differentiating
between the original content in quoted-printable format from someone
replies? Guess maybe? My reply delimiter also includes the reasons
why quoted-printable format is stupid and inconsiderate for Usenet
posting.

Regarding the RFCs, quoted-printable is defined how to use it when
composing a message. There is no RFC regarding how newsreaders will
handle it when replying to posts that use it.

So why aren't you violating other Usenet standards (whether de facto,
like a sigdash line for a signature which is NOT specified by RFC, or
by RFC)? I see you aren't posting in HTML format. Why is that, huh?

I can see that we will pretty much agree to disagree. However, when
replying to quoted-printable formatted posts, some means most be used
to differentiate between original and reply content. I use a reply
separator line. Of course, that doesn't help when trying to insert
the reply inline with the original content, so sometimes I have to add
the quoting character that you and others like you, especially Google
Groupers, omit because of using quoted-printable format. You really
want to lump yourself in with the [lack of] netiquette exhibited by
Google Groupers?

 

[Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]]

I see, still suffering from the ID10t syndrome.

Whatever. Consider yourself blocked - I don't have time for your foibles.

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| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote in message
| |
|
| And I will keep calling you on usenet *rule* rather than usenet
| *suggestions* - see your precious RFCs for a hint.
|
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| only clients may show that encoding when viewing your post.
| * Quoting levels get mangled, especially for multiple replies.
| * In replies, there is no clear delineation of content.
| - Cannot tell what content is from the original poster and
| what is from the respondent.
| - Makes impossible to determine who said what when a reply
| inserts comments inline with the quoted content.
| ---[end of comments]---
|
|
| And as long as you use quoted-printable format, I will have to
| continue using a reply delimiter line to differentiate your content
| from mine in my reply. Otherwise, how do YOU suggest differentiating
| between the original content in quoted-printable format from someone
| replies? Guess maybe? My reply delimiter also includes the reasons
| why quoted-printable format is stupid and inconsiderate for Usenet
| posting.
|
| Regarding the RFCs, quoted-printable is defined how to use it when
| composing a message. There is no RFC regarding how newsreaders will
| handle it when replying to posts that use it.
|
| So why aren't you violating other Usenet standards (whether de facto,
| like a sigdash line for a signature which is NOT specified by RFC, or
| by RFC)? I see you aren't posting in HTML format. Why is that, huh?
|
| I can see that we will pretty much agree to disagree. However, when
| replying to quoted-printable formatted posts, some means most be used
| to differentiate between original and reply content. I use a reply
| separator line. Of course, that doesn't help when trying to insert
| the reply inline with the original content, so sometimes I have to add
| the quoting character that you and others like you, especially Google
| Groupers, omit because of using quoted-printable format. You really
| want to lump yourself in with the [lack of] netiquette exhibited by
| Google Groupers?

 

[VanguardLH]

"Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
I see, still suffering from the ID10t syndrome.

Whatever. Consider yourself blocked - I don't have time for your
foibles.



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- Cannot tell what content is from the original poster and
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Resorted to female logic. If you cannot argue the point, use
diversion or leave in a huff.

 

[Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]]

Thank you very much.

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|
| Whatever. Consider yourself blocked - I don't have time for your
| foible

 

[VanguardLH]

Thank you very much.

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Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
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reading.

|
| Whatever. Consider yourself blocked - I don't have time for your
| foible


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