MO-NO ! MO-NO ! MO-NO !

[jbailo]

You miss the entire point of mono and .NET as well.

point of mono and .NET:

create yet another layer to try
and lock in customers with unnecessary
'layers'.

create something that could be just
as easily done in g++

fool people into thinking that less
functionality ( pointers ) equals
'easy of use'

scope inherentence down so far that
it becomes useless, because .NET
programmers are too stupid to understand it.

add a lot of 'configuration tools', use
DLLs a lot, push versioning into
'config' files and then make up
marketing claims about liberating us
from 'dll hell' -- when it still
exists.

create a poorly documenented and little
understood application framework -- to
fool people into thinking it's anything
more than a rehash of Visual Basic 6 --
i.e. a fool's paradise for people who
can't program live applications.

create a draw to siphon off creative
talent that might challenge the m$ office
franchise with better written applications

and so on,
and so on,
....

 

[Tom Shelton]

["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.advocacy.]

point of mono and .NET:

create yet another layer to try
and lock in customers with unnecessary
'layers'.

Or maybe to help programmers get their work done.

create something that could be just
as easily done in g++

Did you see the C# version of your little open source challenge...
Seemed a lot easier to me... And there is no doubt that for many
applications, languages such as C# and Java trounce C/C++ for
productivity.

fool people into thinking that less
functionality ( pointers ) equals
'easy of use'

C# has pointers. Didn't read about the "unsafe" keyword?

public class UsingAPtr
{

unsafe public static void Main()
{
int i = 5;
SquareIt(&i);
Console.WriteLine(i);
}

unsafe private static void SquareIt(int* x)
{
*x *= *x;
}
}

scope inherentence down so far that
it becomes useless, because .NET
programmers are too stupid to understand it.

If your refering to MI - look at Eiffel .NET. That said - who cares.
MI is a hassle and often leads to trouble anyway. There is almost
always a better way to accomplish what you want to do.

add a lot of 'configuration tools', use
DLLs a lot, push versioning into
'config' files and then make up
marketing claims about liberating us
from 'dll hell' -- when it still
exists.

How does it exist? Side-by-Side exection my friend... In fact, I have
a Windows Service that I compiled on the 1.1 framework - but running on
a 2K box that only has the 1.0 framework. Works like a champ.

create a poorly documenented and little
understood application framework -- to
fool people into thinking it's anything
more than a rehash of Visual Basic 6 --
i.e. a fool's paradise for people who
can't program live applications.

What the? Poorly documented? I've never had a problem finding what I
needed.

create a draw to siphon off creative
talent that might challenge the m$ office
franchise with better written applications

and so on,
and so on,
...

blah, blah

Tom Shelton

 

[Peter =?ISO-8859-15?Q?K=F6hlmann?=]

Hi Peter Köhlmann ,
You say :
" Since when is Croatia ' eastern europe ' ? "

You're right , I guess that's southern Europe .
I was thinking " Eastern Block " , ex-Soviet influence .

You are still wrong. It once was communist, but that does not mean "eastern
block". Yugoslavia was proud of not belonging to any of those "blocks".
That you don't know anything about history is sad, but true
Get some education, just a little, will you?

 

[Jeff Relf]

Hi B.J. ,
You do a good job of explaining mono and .NET's objectives :

create yet another layer to try
and lock in customers with unnecessary
'layers'.

create something that could be just
as easily done in g++

fool people into thinking that less
functionality ( pointers ) equals
'easy of use'

scope inherentence down so far that
it becomes useless, because .NET
programmers are too stupid to understand it.

add a lot of 'configuration tools', use
DLLs a lot, push versioning into
'config' files and then make up
marketing claims about liberating us
from 'dll hell' -- when it still
exists.

create a poorly documenented and little
understood application framework -- to
fool people into thinking it's anything
more than a rehash of Visual Basic 6 --
i.e. a fool's paradise for people who
can't program live applications.

create a draw to siphon off creative
talent that might challenge the m$ office
franchise with better written applications

and so on,
and so on,
...

You're catching on ! Well done .

But I still use macros occasionally . ( Key recorders . )

And there's no harm in writing a script or two .
( For something like Excel or a web page . )

But for major endeavors ,
nothing beats a decent library , and a decent IDE .

 

[Jeff Relf]

Hi msnews.microsoft.com ,
You say :
" The MS camp will be around ,
so will the *NIX camp .
It will take a new revolution in computing
to change this balance . "

The G5 ( Mac ) has the fastest RAM on the market .

Two one gigahertz 64 bit front-side buses to the two CPUs .

Is OSX a *NIX ? I don't think so .

 

[Jeff Relf]

Hi Peter Köhlmann ,
You say :
" Get some education , just a little , will you ? "

Why should I become an expert on Croatia ?

I live in Seattle Washington , U.S. of A. .

I don't even know any Croats .

 

[Peter =?ISO-8859-15?Q?K=F6hlmann?=]

Hi msnews.microsoft.com ,
You say :
" The MS camp will be around ,
so will the *NIX camp .
It will take a new revolution in computing
to change this balance . "

The G5 ( Mac ) has the fastest RAM on the market .

Two one gigahertz 64 bit front-side buses to the two CPUs .

What exactly would be "revolutionary" about that?

Is OSX a *NIX ? I don't think so .

You're just not accustomed to "thinking"

 

[Peter =?ISO-8859-15?Q?K=F6hlmann?=]

Hi Peter Köhlmann ,
You say :
" Get some education , just a little , will you ? "

Why should I become an expert on Croatia ?

I live in Seattle Washington , U.S. of A. .

Well, only fools like you would flaunt their basic ignorance like that

I don't even know any Croats .

Then just avoid making any comments about things you don't know about.
In other words, quit posting on usenet

 

[Rick]

Hi msnews.microsoft.com ,
You say :
" The MS camp will be around ,
so will the *NIX camp .
It will take a new revolution in computing
to change this balance . "

The G5 ( Mac ) has the fastest RAM on the market .

Two one gigahertz 64 bit front-side buses to the two CPUs .

Is OSX a *NIX ? I don't think so .

The core of MacOS X is Darwin... essentially a BSD distro. Put Quartz,
Aqua, iAppa and a few other things on top, and you have MacOS X.

 

[Jeff Relf]

Hi Rick ,
You say :
" Put Quartz , Aqua , iAppa
and a few other things on top ,
and you have MacOS X . "

How Compatible is it ? How much does it cost ?

 

[Rick]

Hi Rick ,
You say :
" Put Quartz , Aqua , iAppa
and a few other things on top ,
and you have MacOS X . "

How Compatible is it ? How much does it cost ?

I see you snipped context and you don't know how to write a sentence.
How compatible is what? How much does what cost?

Darwin is as compatible as any other BSD-based OS. It costs $0.00
Darwin/X11 is as compatible as any other BSD-based OS. It costs $0.00.
MacOS X/X11 is as compatible as any other BSD-based OS, plus it runs Aqua
apps. It costs $129.

 

[Jeff Relf]

Hi Rick ,
You say :
" Darwin is as compatible as any other BSD-based OS . "

I was talking about Mac OSX compatibility ,
Not Unix compatibility ... Jesus .

Mac OSX is not Unix .

 

[God]

Hi Rick ,
You say :
" Darwin is as compatible as any other BSD-based OS . "

I was talking about Mac OSX compatibility ,
Not Unix compatibility ... Jesus .

He's busy at the moment. Can I help?

 

[DM McGowan II]

Hi msnews.microsoft.com ,
You say :
" The MS camp will be around ,
so will the *NIX camp .
It will take a new revolution in computing
to change this balance . "

The G5 ( Mac ) has the fastest RAM on the market .

Two one gigahertz 64 bit front-side buses to the two CPUs .

Is OSX a *NIX ? I don't think so .

Hehe, I had to re-build my system do to a rare disk sector problem and set
the display name wrong in haste.

Mac? MAC??!!?? The Mac is hardly a new revolution though the cutesy colors
were a nifty idea I guess?

 

[The Ghost In The Machine]

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, jbailo
<[email protected]>
wrote

Compile the revised code, Troll.

Compile the revised code.

// yoU.c

[function snipped for brevity]

And I'll tell him *how*...

$ gcc `gtk-config --cflags` yoU.c `gtk-config --libs` -o yoU
$ ./yoU
$

Now, did I miss anything?

 

[Jeff Relf]

Hi Spooky Ghost ,
You say : " And I'll tell him * how * ... "

Tell me how ? I already knew how to do it .

But _ Ten _ times I said that I would _ Not _ compile it .

Because the code is too stupid ,
I don't compile worthless code .

I don't know how to make this any clearer .

 

[wah]

bah.

dropped seattle.general from the reply, since it's hardly relevant beyond
jeff ralph's idiosyncrasies and demons. good luck,
comp.os.linux.advocacy,microsoft.public.dotnet.general.

leave seattle.general out of it, jeff-****wit-relf.

 

[The Ghost In The Machine]

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Jeff Relf
<[email protected]>
wrote

Hi Spooky Ghost ,
You say : " And I'll tell him * how * ... "

Tell me how ? I already knew how to do it .

But _ Ten _ times I said that I would _ Not _ compile it .

Because the code is too stupid ,
I don't compile worthless code .

I don't know how to make this any clearer .

Define "worthwhile code", then. I could cobble up something
using Glade, for example, and substitute it for jbailo's
admittedly rather silly example.

For example, I could compute pi to 10,000 places for some reason.
Or simulate a daisy-cutter dropping on Saddam's head. (Of course
the main drawback with the latter is that I can't draw, period,
so it would have to be a very *abstract* representation of
Saddam's head... )

I'll admit I do think the Java variant is simpler but
both are interesting. (I don't know how to set up
Winforms/Webforms.)

 

[cable speed test]

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Jeff Relf

----- Original Message -----
From: "The Ghost In The Machine" <[email protected]>
Newsgroups:
comp.os.linux.advocacy,microsoft.public.dotnet.general,seattle.general
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: . Worthless Code .

Actually, I hate worthless power companies more that worthless code...

I have to work all night on my lap top due to the power going off every 20
minutes or so.

Or going on and off every three minutes...

What's so hard about placing the lines far enough apart to live through a
wind storm ?

Do they have any idea what the Boomtown Rats sound like through 1 inch
speakers ?

Damn, the flash light is fading... time for the Coleman...



..

 

[Tom Shelton]

["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.advocacy.]

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Jeff Relf
<[email protected]>
wrote


Define "worthwhile code", then. I could cobble up something
using Glade, for example, and substitute it for jbailo's
admittedly rather silly example.

I'll admit I do think the Java variant is simpler but
both are interesting. (I don't know how to set up
Winforms/Webforms.)

I missed the Java variant... Out of curiosity, could you point me to
it. But did you see my C# version? I know you had expressed an interest
in seeing one or at least the compile

Tom Shelton