Mixed up e-mail bodies and headers

[Koval]

I created a new folder in Outlook 2003 on Win XP and moved some old e-
mails from inbox to this folder. Then I decided to create subfolders
in this folder for every month and moved e-mails into them. After
that, all e-mails have mixed up headers and bodies, i.e a body of e-
mail from 2 weeks ago has a header of e-mail from yesterday. Seems
like headers and bodies have been combined completely randomly in this
subfolder. All other folders and inbox seem to be ok.
Is there anything I can do to synchronize the old e-mails?

Ta

 

[Brian Tillman]

I created a new folder in Outlook 2003 on Win XP and moved some old e-
mails from inbox to this folder. Then I decided to create subfolders
in this folder for every month and moved e-mails into them. After
that, all e-mails have mixed up headers and bodies, i.e a body of e-
mail from 2 weeks ago has a header of e-mail from yesterday. Seems
like headers and bodies have been combined completely randomly in this
subfolder. All other folders and inbox seem to be ok.
Is there anything I can do to synchronize the old e-mails?

Take a screen shot and post it to one of the many free image posting
services. Then post the URL to your screen shot here so we can see what you
see. I don't see how what you describe it possible.

 

[VanguardLH]

in message

Take a screen shot and post it to one of the many free image posting
services. Then post the URL to your screen shot here so we can see
what you see. I don't see how what you describe it possible.

I agree with Brian. There is no separation between headers and the
body. In fact, the e-mail is just one message and "headers" and
"body" are *our* way of delineating different sections within the same
message, just like attachments are not some detached object but a MIME
part within the body of the message. I don't see how you could be
looking at any message body section that is separate of its message
header section. However, Outlook doesn't keep the e-mail in its raw
state as does Outlook Express. Once Outlook gets an e-mail and adds
records for it in its database for its message store, it is no longer
in its raw state (i.e., how it was delivered to your mailbox).

When you select a message and use View -> Options to look at the
headers, do those headers look like the ones that belong with the body
of that message. Again, you are just looking at different sections of
the SAME message. For to happen what you describe, you could not just
move the items between folders. You would need a program to slice
apart the message to separate its sections (headers and body).

 

[Koval]

There is no need to send a screenshot, as the e-mails in the folder
look perfectly normal and unless you know that certain e-mail was not
sent by certain sender you will not notice that there is anything
wrong. Below is an example: header belongs to an e-mail from 14.03,
while body is from e-mail sent on 3.03 (the second header is part of
the e-mail's body as it is a reply). It's like that only in this
folder and it happened when I moved all these messages here from its
parent folder. It does look like Outlook keeps records of headers and
bodies separate in its database and they are unsynchronized.


From: (e-mail address removed) [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 6:25 AM
To: (e-mail address removed)
Subject: RE: Problems

Do you know who he left it with on Friday?

From: Greg xxx [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 12:54 PM
To: (e-mail address removed)
Subject: RE: Printer driver error

Hi Neeltja,

Dan said that someone will bring it to me this morning, but I still
don't have it.

Thanks

Greg

 

[Brian Tillman]

It does look like Outlook keeps records of headers and
bodies separate in its database and they are unsynchronized.

Whatwever it may look like, this is not the case.

From: (e-mail address removed) [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 6:25 AM
To: (e-mail address removed)
Subject: RE: Problems

Do you know who he left it with on Friday?

From: Greg xxx [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 12:54 PM
To: (e-mail address removed)
Subject: RE: Printer driver error

Without really knowing exactly what you did, I'm afraid I can't offer
anything more of value, but there's simply no way to move a message to
another folder and have the headers scrambled. You've done something that I
can't glean from what you describe and I can't produce a scenario in my head
that will allow me to reconstruct it. Sorry.

 

[VanguardLH]

There is no need to send a screenshot, as the e-mails in the folder
look perfectly normal and unless you know that certain e-mail was
not
sent by certain sender you will not notice that there is anything
wrong. Below is an example: header belongs to an e-mail from 14.03,
while body is from e-mail sent on 3.03 (the second header is part of
the e-mail's body as it is a reply). It's like that only in this
folder and it happened when I moved all these messages here from its
parent folder. It does look like Outlook keeps records of headers
and
bodies separate in its database and they are unsynchronized.


From: (e-mail address removed) [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 6:25 AM
To: (e-mail address removed)
Subject: RE: Problems

Do you know who he left it with on Friday?

From: Greg xxx [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 12:54 PM
To: (e-mail address removed)
Subject: RE: Printer driver error

Hi Neeltja,

Dan said that someone will bring it to me this morning, but I still
don't have it.

Thanks

Greg

Greg sent an e-mail to Neeltja that mentioned "Dan said ...". Greg
composed it on March 3. Because the real headers were not included
because of the inline reply by Neeltja (rather than attaching the
original e-mail), it is unknown when Neeltja actually received this
e-mail.

Neeltja then composed a "Do you know ..." reply on March 14 which she
sent to Greg. She inserted the original message inline which means
all the original headers were lost except the From, Subject, and To.
Because you did not show the actual headers in the reply (that you
have), it is unknown when Greg actually received the message but the
guess from what you show is that Neeltja composed the message on March
14 and that is when Greg got it.

When Neeltja replied, she changed the Subject header. She also sent
from a different account (or she changed the E-mail Address field in
her account definition in whatever e-mail client she uses) than the
one in which she received the original message.

You never showed the real headers. You show the inserted content in
the body of the message. Select the message in the list pane and
either right-click on the message to select Options or use the View ->
Options menu. That will show the headers in the message that you
received. You can tell by tracing back through the Received headers
as to who sent that message.

You don't show anything unusual other than Neeltja changed the Subject
header and changed the From header. You'll have to ask Neeltja why
she did that. When replying, it helps to keep the Subject header
intact with only the addition of prepending a "Re:" to it. That
allows e-mail clients to group related messages without having to rely
on the References header (which may not always be available in
e-mails). You'll have to ask why she specifies a different e-mail
address in her replies than the e-mail address where the original
message was sent. That may be simply how she setup the e-mail account
that is defined in Outlook. The From header has no dependency on the
account through which an e-mail is sent. It is a *data* field added
by the user's e-mail client so it wholly depends on what that user put
in that data field in the e-mail account they defined in their e-mail
client. Maybe she uses a forwarding or aliasing account to receive
e-mails and sends out through a different account. Maybe she has
multiple accounts define in her e-mail client and selected to use a
different one when she replied than the account through which the
original message was received.

So far, you have not proven that headers from one e-mail are getting
substituted for headers of a different e-mail.

 

[Koval]

Hi Brian,
here is what i did step by step:
1. My mail server complained that I'm close to reach quota limit. I
need to remove mails from Inbox.
2. Create new folder outside of 'Inbox' called 'Greg'
3. Highlight and move ca. 400 emails from 'Inbox' to 'Greg'. After
moving messages are still ok at this stage.
4. Decided that I will divide these e-mails into months, so in Greg I
created subfolders: '02.08' and '03.08'
5. Highlight and move ca. 300 e-mails from 'Greg' to 'Greg'>'03.08'
6. Immediately after moving, all messages in folder '03.08' have mixed
up bodies and headers.

Don't know how Outlook stores the messages, but I think it would
actually make sense to split messages into bodies/headers or even more
granular split to improve search/sort performance in Outlook.

It does look like Outlook keeps records of headers and
bodies separate in its database and they are unsynchronized.

Whatwever it may look like, this is not the case.

From: (e-mail address removed) [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 6:25 AM
To: (e-mail address removed)
Subject: RE: Problems

Do you know who he left it with on Friday?

From: Greg xxx [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 12:54 PM
To: (e-mail address removed)
Subject: RE: Printer driver error

Without really knowing exactly what you did, I'm afraid I can't offer
anything more of value, but there's simply no way to move a message to
another folder and have the headers scrambled. You've done something that I
can't glean from what you describe and I can't produce a scenario in my head
that will allow me to reconstruct it. Sorry.

 

[Koval]

Indeed I have not proven it and I can't think of a way to actually do
it. Here is the link to the screenshot from my outlook:
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/2326/outlook1yd1.jpg

I searched folder 03.08 for word 'angels' which I remember would
appear only in 2 e-mails. It was internal e-mail sent on 10th and
forwarded again on 12th. The message with subject 'Stress Angels ...'
should contain just info about therapist coming to our office, while
communication with Kalepu and Petra (you can see her out of office
reply in the message body, which I received on 26.02) is completely
unrelated. In the folder 03.08 I put few e-mails from February to keep
e-mail exchanges complete.

There is no need to send a screenshot, as the e-mails in the folder
look perfectly normal and unless you know that certain e-mail was
not
sent by certain sender you will not notice that there is anything
wrong. Below is an example: header belongs to an e-mail from 14.03,
while body is from e-mail sent on 3.03 (the second header is part of
the e-mail's body as it is a reply). It's like that only in this
folder and it happened when I moved all these messages here from its
parent folder. It does look like Outlook keeps records of headers
and
bodies separate in its database and they are unsynchronized.

From: (e-mail address removed) [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 6:25 AM
To: (e-mail address removed)
Subject: RE: Problems

Do you know who he left it with on Friday?

From: Greg xxx [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 12:54 PM
To: (e-mail address removed)
Subject: RE: Printer driver error

Hi Neeltja,

Dan said that someone will bring it to me this morning, but I still
don't have it.

Greg

Greg sent an e-mail to Neeltja that mentioned "Dan said ...". Greg
composed it on March 3. Because the real headers were not included
because of the inline reply by Neeltja (rather than attaching the
original e-mail), it is unknown when Neeltja actually received this
e-mail.

Neeltja then composed a "Do you know ..." reply on March 14 which she
sent to Greg. She inserted the original message inline which means
all the original headers were lost except the From, Subject, and To.
Because you did not show the actual headers in the reply (that you
have), it is unknown when Greg actually received the message but the
guess from what you show is that Neeltja composed the message on March
14 and that is when Greg got it.

When Neeltja replied, she changed the Subject header. She also sent
from a different account (or she changed the E-mail Address field in
her account definition in whatever e-mail client she uses) than the
one in which she received the original message.

You never showed the real headers. You show the inserted content in
the body of the message. Select the message in the list pane and
either right-click on the message to select Options or use the View ->
Options menu. That will show the headers in the message that you
received. You can tell by tracing back through the Received headers
as to who sent that message.

You don't show anything unusual other than Neeltja changed the Subject
header and changed the From header. You'll have to ask Neeltja why
she did that. When replying, it helps to keep the Subject header
intact with only the addition of prepending a "Re:" to it. That
allows e-mail clients to group related messages without having to rely
on the References header (which may not always be available in
e-mails). You'll have to ask why she specifies a different e-mail
address in her replies than the e-mail address where the original
message was sent. That may be simply how she setup the e-mail account
that is defined in Outlook. The From header has no dependency on the
account through which an e-mail is sent. It is a *data* field added
by the user's e-mail client so it wholly depends on what that user put
in that data field in the e-mail account they defined in their e-mail
client. Maybe she uses a forwarding or aliasing account to receive
e-mails and sends out through a different account. Maybe she has
multiple accounts define in her e-mail client and selected to use a
different one when she replied than the account through which the
original message was received.

So far, you have not proven that headers from one e-mail are getting
substituted for headers of a different e-mail.

 

[Brian Tillman]

here is what i did step by step:
1. My mail server complained that I'm close to reach quota limit. I
need to remove mails from Inbox.

How did it complain?

2. Create new folder outside of 'Inbox' called 'Greg'

Is this folder in the same data store or did you create a new one (i.e.,
File>New>Outlook Data File)?

3. Highlight and move ca. 400 emails from 'Inbox' to 'Greg'. After
moving messages are still ok at this stage.
4. Decided that I will divide these e-mails into months, so in Greg I
created subfolders: '02.08' and '03.08'
5. Highlight and move ca. 300 e-mails from 'Greg' to 'Greg'>'03.08'

How did you?

6. Immediately after moving, all messages in folder '03.08' have mixed
up bodies and headers.

Is this in a PST or in an Exchange mailbox?

Don't know how Outlook stores the messages, but I think it would
actually make sense to split messages into bodies/headers or even more
granular split to improve search/sort performance in Outlook.

It doesn't do that.

 

[Brian Tillman]

Indeed I have not proven it and I can't think of a way to actually do
it. Here is the link to the screenshot from my outlook:
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/2326/outlook1yd1.jpg

Nothing al all unusual that I an see.

I searched folder 03.08 for word 'angels' which I remember would
appear only in 2 e-mails. It was internal e-mail sent on 10th and
forwarded again on 12th. The message with subject 'Stress Angels ...'
should contain just info about therapist coming to our office, while
communication with Kalepu and Petra (you can see her out of office
reply in the message body, which I received on 26.02) is completely
unrelated. In the folder 03.08 I put few e-mails from February to keep
e-mail exchanges complete.

Since we can't see the body of the message from Kapelu, there's no way we
can judge whether or not it should appear in your search. I see no
evidence, however, of your claim that headers are erroneous. The "Look for"
function examines not only the subject, but the body, the sender, and the
recipient as well, I believe. I believe that the Kelepu message contains
the string "angels" in it somewhere. It doesn't have to be as a sepatrate
word, either. it can be a string embedded in a longer string.

 

[VanguardLH]

Hi Brian,
here is what i did step by step:
1. My mail server complained that I'm close to reach quota limit. I
need to remove mails from Inbox.
2. Create new folder outside of 'Inbox' called 'Greg'
3. Highlight and move ca. 400 emails from 'Inbox' to 'Greg'. After
moving messages are still ok at this stage.
4. Decided that I will divide these e-mails into months, so in Greg
I
created subfolders: '02.08' and '03.08'
5. Highlight and move ca. 300 e-mails from 'Greg' to 'Greg'>'03.08'
6. Immediately after moving, all messages in folder '03.08' have
mixed
up bodies and headers.

You mention slicing out e-mails from your Inbox in your other post
because of a quota limit warning. You have not mentioned using an
Exchange account in which the Inbox in Outlook would reflect your
mailbox up on the Exchange server. If you are using a POP account,
local copies of e-mails are saved in a .pst file and the only limit
there is on the file size (2GB for pre-OL2003, 20GB by default for
OL2003 and up). Moving items out of the Inbox in Outlook won't affect
your quota consumption up on the mail server for a POP account. It
would for an Exchange account. It won't for an IMAP account because
the other folder you created would still have all those items in it
which count against your quota. So if you are using POP or IMAP,
moving items out of Outlook's Inbox will do nothing to eliminate the
quota problem with your mailbox up on the server.

If using Exchange, moving items from the Inbox to another folder will
not reduce your quota. The other folders you create are still
consuming space in your mailbox on Exchange.

If using POP, e-mails gets deleted once yanked from the mail server.
So they are no longer up on the mail server to be consuming disk
quota. Perhaps you configured your POP account in Outlook to leave
messages up on the mail server. Well, you have them downloaded into
Outlook so you don't need them up on the mail server, so use the
webmail interface to your account to delete those duplicate messages
(or configure Outlook to delete them when yanked). There is no quota
limit for the local copies of e-mails in your .pst file other than the
size of the file itself (2GB for ANSI .pst files, 20GB for Unicode
..pst files).

If using IMAP, e-mails stay up on the server and you also have a local
copy of them. Creating a new folder and moving messages to them will
do nothing to reduce your disk consumption quota up on the mail
server. The items you moved into another folder are also in another
folder up in your IMAP account so they still consume disk space.

So, for Exchange and IMAP accounts, creating a new folder and moving
messages to them will not reduce your quota consumption on disk space
usage. For POP, it is normally configured to delete the messages
after they have been yanked. You get a local copy and the mail host
copy gets deleted. If you change that default configuration to leave
the yanked messages up on the mail server, it is up to you to
periodically delete the *duplicate* messages in your mailbox up on the
mail server (because you already have a local copy of them).

So WHAT type of e-mail account are you using? POP, IMAP, Exchange?

Don't know how Outlook stores the messages, but I think it would
actually make sense to split messages into bodies/headers or even
more
granular split to improve search/sort performance in Outlook.

Databases don't separate each piece of data into its own record. That
would severely increase the size of the database with all the required
links between each piece of data. Each mail item is a record in a
database, and each record has fields designated for the different
pieces of data. The search is based on which field is specified in
the search and then goes looking in that field through each record.
But records are kept intact. Granularity does NOT assist in fast
searching.

 

[VanguardLH]

in message

Indeed I have not proven it and I can't think of a way to actually
do
it. Here is the link to the screenshot from my outlook:
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/2326/outlook1yd1.jpg

I searched folder 03.08 for word 'angels' which I remember would
appear only in 2 e-mails. It was internal e-mail sent on 10th and
forwarded again on 12th. The message with subject 'Stress Angels
...'
should contain just info about therapist coming to our office, while
communication with Kalepu and Petra (you can see her out of office
reply in the message body, which I received on 26.02) is completely
unrelated. In the folder 03.08 I put few e-mails from February to
keep
e-mail exchanges complete.

So it isn't that headers are getting mixed up and somehow moved to
substitute for headers in other e-mails but rather that a *search*
returns results that you do not expect.

So in WHAT field does the "Look for: angels" criteria actually search
in? Is it just the Subject header? Or might it also be searching in
the headers and/or body of the message? If the search includes the
body of the messages then a message with a blank subject (as shown)
but with "bangels", "NewFangleSoftware", or any other substring
containing "angels" would match and be included in the search results.
Since you did not show both the headers and body of the message from
Kalepu, I can't tell that "angels" as a substring appears nowhere in
that message.

You need to use the View -> Options to show the headers and also show
the raw content of the body of the message (i.e., if HTML formatted
then you need to right-click and show Source) to see if "angels" is
anywhere in the message that you did not expect to match on your
search criteria. You can use the PocketKnife Peek plug-in to let you
more easily see the raw source of an e-mail rather than ferret it out
using the convoluted methods in Outlook.

Without having the FULL content of all e-mails (headers and body), I
can't say that a search on "angels" should NOT include a particular
e-mail. I am still using OL2002 and am not familiar with searches in
Outlook 2003. My guess is that your search criteria is not specific
as to which fields where it will look for the specified substring. If
you look at the headers and raw source for the body of the message
from Kalepu, my bet is that you will find a substring match on
"angels".

 

[Koval]

Hi Brian,

thank you for your input so far. The search feature is irrelevant
here. I used it only in an attempt to illustrate the issue in one
screenshot.

Nothing al all unusual that I an see.

That's the whole point! The messages look ok, unless you remember what
Ange sent you, or know who is Petra. This mix up is consistent in all
messages in this folder and is obvious if you know people you
correspond with, but I can't PROVE it as long as you make assumption
that i.e Ange sent Petra's out of office notification just to confuse
me (I really doubt Ange speaks Dutch or that Kalepu knows who Office
Angels are).
If you look at the screenshot you will see that message from Ange is a
out of office notification in Dutch of someone whose name is Petra.
What you can't see is that the message from Kalepu has a body from
message from Ange, so it's correctly shown on the screenshot as it
talks about Office Angels (info that was sent by ange and Kalepu has
nothing to do with it). Those are all recent messages and I simply
remember who sent what.

To answer your questions: The quota warning I received in pop-up
window in outlook. I'm unable to check what type of account I have and
it's possible that moving the messages did nothing to free up space on
the mail server, but it's actually not the problem here (even if it's
the reason of this whole mess).
As for creating the folders: I just right-clicked on the top level
folder in the left pane and have chosen 'New folder' and named it
Greg. Similar with subfolders.
How I moved messages: clicked on middle pane > CTRL+A to highlight all
messages in Inbox >drag with mouse to 'Greg'. After moving I selected
some of the messages (SHIFT +left click) and moved them to subfolder
'3.08. I'm unable to check at the moment if these messages are still
on mail server.

To summarize:
- There is no problem with search function. It works as expected.
- No problem with quota anymore
- Messages and headers are mixed up in folder '3.08'. I wish I could
prove it.

 

[Brian Tillman]

To answer your questions: The quota warning I received in pop-up
window in outlook. I'm unable to check what type of account I have

Huh? Do you mean that you can't click Tools>E-mail Accounts>Next and look?

and it's possible that moving the messages did nothing to free up space on
the mail server, but it's actually not the problem here (even if it's
the reason of this whole mess).
As for creating the folders: I just right-clicked on the top level
folder in the left pane and have chosen 'New folder' and named it
Greg. Similar with subfolders.

It appears you are creating your folders in the same data store that has the
quota. How do you expect it to reduce the usage?

How I moved messages: clicked on middle pane > CTRL+A to highlight all
messages in Inbox >drag with mouse to 'Greg'. After moving I selected
some of the messages (SHIFT +left click) and moved them to subfolder
'3.08. I'm unable to check at the moment if these messages are still
on mail server.

If you're usiong Exchange, then of course they are.

To summarize:
- There is no problem with search function. It works as expected.
- No problem with quota anymore
- Messages and headers are mixed up in folder '3.08'. I wish I could
prove it.

You could it you showed what you meant, but so far you haven't.

 

[Koval]

Brian,

thanks for all your help. It was very educational.

Huh? Do you mean that you can't click Tools>E-mail Accounts>Next and look?


It appears you are creating your folders in the same data store that has the
quota. How do you expect it to reduce the usage?

Quota is not a problem. Mixed up messages in one of the folders are.

If you're usiong Exchange, then of course they are.


You could it you showed what you meant, but so far you haven't.

Let's not bother any further. I just had my microsoft.public.outlook
experience and I think that's enough for a while.

 

[VanguardLH]

in message

thank you for your input so far. The search feature is irrelevant
here. I used it only in an attempt to illustrate the issue in one
screenshot.

You keep "illustrating" your claim and yet you never show the contents
of the messages that was requested. Okay, keep on hiding it. You
want us to work in a fog on a specific problem.

To answer your questions: The quota warning I received in pop-up
window in outlook.

Then I'm guessing that you are using Exchange as the mail server. POP
and IMAP mail hosts that run out of disk quota for your account won't
cause Outlook to display a warning popup for them (unless you are
using the webmail interface instead of an e-mail client).

I'm unable to check what type of account I have

Anyone can check what account type they have defined in Outlook.

it's possible that moving the messages did nothing to free up space
on
the mail server, but it's actually not the problem here (even if
it's
the reason of this whole mess).

Yes, it could be the problem. If you ran out of disk quota in your
mailbox for an Exchange or IMAP account, and because Outlook tries to
synchronize to those accounts, it is possible the e-mails up on the
mail host in your mailbox are ****ed up. So Outlook is just showing
you the same corruption as exists up on the mail server. POP only
yanks copies of e-mail so it doesn't stay sync'ed up with your
mailbox.

To summarize:
- There is no problem with search function. It works as expected.
- No problem with quota anymore
- Messages and headers are mixed up in folder '3.08'. I wish I could
prove it.

You were asked to show the raw contents of the related problematic
messages (headers and body) but haven't done that yet. You were even
told about a plug-in that might be easier to get at this information.
From what you said, it doesn't seem like the content of these messages
is anything that needs to be kept secret. You keep making a claim
about a black box and recount what you recall should be inside and yet
you refuse to open the black box to show anyone else what is inside.

I guess you have your reasons for not letting prying eyes into the
content of your e-mails. What you describe as your belief for the
probable cause of your problem just doesn't seem plausible with
Outlook only although possibly a plug-in or VBA code could cause the
perceived problem (you could try loading Outlook in its safe mode by
running "outlook.exe /safe").

 

[Diane Poremsky [MVP]]

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any replies, its hard to say.

Knowing your version of outlook, windows, and email account type would also
be helpful.

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It's our old friend EggheadCafe......

 

[Gordon]

I see the same issue you have - and I understand what the issue is - the
headers and the bodies are being mixed up when you open the email. Did you
ever find a solution for this?

Thanks,

Ed

WHAT "same issue"?

Please note:
This is NOT a chat room and You are NOT posting to a forum run by
Eggheadcafe - you are actually posting to a global Usenet Newsgroup. You
will get a far better experience if you use a newsreader and subscribe to
these groups directly, rather than through Eggheadcafe.

Setting up Outlook Express/Windows Mail to access Microsoft newsgroups
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewreader.htm

Accessing the MS newsgroups in Outlook Express/Windows Mail Newsreader
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/newsgroupsetup.mspx

If you must stay with Egghheadcafe then please follow Usenet custom by
quoting the post you are replying to, and replying to the thread.

Thank you.

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