Microsoft takes on the free world

[Justin]

It feels like I have answered this question before.

Ehem - the ones who care are the paying customers who are tired of buggy
DRM that insults them and treats them like criminals.

You think the average customer has a level of respect to vendors? Granted
is a vendor pisses them off they take their business elsewhere however you
ONLY purchase from vendors of which you have a great level of respect for?

I can honestly say I don't know jack about 90% of the consumer product
vendors I purchase from. I also doubt that anyone else here does either.

The ones who care are also the small, third party software operations who
get bought out by MS just because they make a better product.

You mean those companies that are for sale? You can't buy what's not for
sale.

The ones who care include the multiple gov'ts from around the world who
have held MS accountable for their shady business practices.

Oh, you mean the few from the many? As I mentioned before. People want
what they can't have.

Something else of note here Justin is that you obviously do not speak your
beliefs with your dollar. If you really don't care as you seem, then you
are just one of the many sheeple in the marketplace.

This is what I care about, getting my job done! Getting it done
productively and with as little cash flow as possible. I want the best
solutions that will allow me to do as such. What does respect has to do
with that? Not a damn thing.

 

[Justin]

No, their products are bad due to the way they made them. It has nothing
to do with what I like or what I can or cannot afford (or Nina for that
matter).

This is why everyone thinks you are full of crap:

"their products are bad"

Which products? ALL OF THEM???? I seriously doubt you've used ALL their
products which makes you a liar at best.

You are 100% biased. Which makes you 100% full of it.

 

[Alias]

Nina DiBoy wrote:

<--------------------------

I place articles about MS written by MJF, one of the oldest known open
MS haters as pure rubbish and very biased. She even says at the end of
the article, "to me" meaning in her opinion.
Her journalistic aptitude is right along side that of the register,
which always refers to MS as "the vole".
Their open hostility towards all things MS reminds me of linux fanatics.
Frank

Um, the Microsoft/Open Source patent story is all over the Internet on
every single news web site you can imagine. Where have you been, under a
rock? MS is scared sh*tless of Open Source, especially in the third
world market. Maybe you're too ill informed and ignorant to acknowledge
the viability of Open Source but MS isn't.

Alias

 

[Alias]

Alias wrote:

<!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!>
Looks like you got the message.
Frank

*Everybody* got the message or do you think you sent me a private email?

Alias

 

[Justin]

As I said, call it what you will.

??? You beg to differ, but you don't explain how you see the situation.

I'm not an expert on the subject however, I recall more then a couple posts
from a user named Stephan that went into great detail exactly what linux
offered in that realm and the end result was many top companies use linux to
do as such.

In the case of Linux, a snapshot view of present-day market share is less
significant than the trend. Linux is improving -- fast. In the past
couple of years, Linux has become dramatically more accessible and
appealing to the average PC user, and that will only continue.

And now Microsoft, which has shamelessly cloned every significant
innovation from web browsers to desktop photo organizers, is squawking
about "265" patent violations. Like Joseph McCarthy, who never divulged
the names on his supposed list of commies, Microsoft is not divulging the
details of what patents have been violated. Instead (like McCarthy),
they are invoking vague, paranoid threats to spread fear, uncertainty and
doubt.

Why are they doing that? I think it is because they see and understand
the trend. The desktop software tools that have earned Microsoft many
billions of dollars are about to become low- or no-cost commodities. And
Microsoft has no way of replacing that revenue, once it goes away. Their
Internet business is a joke. Their game business loses money every
quarter. That is why Microsoft is in panic mode, dishing out FUD in
media interviews. And the situation is not helped by an oafish CEO whose
natural tendency is to view everything in adversarial terms. It's really
quite sad to watch.

I'm not going to pretend that I know anything about this case. I have not
been following. However, what are you referring to in regards to desktop
tools? Such as System Center? How are these going to become low or no
cost? No one is developing anything like it.

??? Your meaning is unclear.

The discussion is about MS being a monopoly. The first sentence is what MS
would have to do in order to "ATTEMPT" to accomplish that. Even then linux
would keep it from happening. The rest of it is the garbage people attempt
to claim as monopolistic practices. Which may seem that way but third
parties has always been able to do what they want. People claim MS is a
monopoly because they simply wont give out the source code of their OS. Why
the hell should they?

I'm not a systems administrator, so I wouldn't know. But once again, I
invite you to look at the trend. If an enterprise rollout of Ubuntu (or
perhaps a different, more business-oriented version of Linux) doesn't
work now, does that mean it won't work a year or two from now?

That's just it. They have been making these claims for MANY YEARS. 2008
will not be any different. Have you seen all the problems Ubuntu 7.x is
having? People that love 6.x are finding they dislike 7.x. That is not a
huge leap forward so 1-2 years wont show us much of anything.

Linux is getting better and better for the home. However it has a long way
to go until it's ready for mass business implementations. A business
starting from scratch would have much better luck.

 

[Justin]

Anybody remind you today you're just a village idiot Justin? Now they
have.

Nope, just you. As usual.

Being a monopoly has nothing to do with viable alternatives. In
decades past Ma Bell, the original AT&T, was a monopoly until the
government broke it up. During the 50's and 60's and into the 70's
hardly anything in telephone technology changed that filtered down to
the consumer. Same old, same old. Why bother? AT&T had a lock on phone
service.

Why does anyone get away with anything? It wasn't until much later that
they forced Edisons hand as well.

So you ever have a point? Do you ever keep within the scope of anything?

Now Justin, are you sitting down? Imagine what might happen if
Microsoft wasn't a monopoly? Never mind, asking Justin to think is a
waste of time. He's Microsoft's biggest fanboy but can't even admit
that.

Why should I? I use linux and OSX and love them for their own individual
uses. You just hate when someone proves your sorry old a$$ wrong which I've
done a million times over and you will never let it go.

You don't know s*it about business... or anything else, which you
reprove daily. But hey, keep entertaining us with your crap. Makes mye
chuckle.

You say this a lot. You seem to have a lot to prove to yourself on a
regular basis. Keep it up adam, you only show us the real you with every
post.

 

[Alias]

Justin wrote:
Have you seen all the problems Ubuntu

7.x is having?

No problems here. Very stable and easy to use.

Alias

 

[Charlie Wilkes]

I'm not an expert on the subject however, I recall more then a couple
posts from a user named Stephan that went into great detail exactly what
linux offered in that realm and the end result was many top companies
use linux to do as such.

From a consumer POV, there are a few gaps. But the work is cumulative,
and at some point there will be wall-to-wall options in all categories.

I'm not going to pretend that I know anything about this case. I have
not been following.

The original post in this thread is a copy/paste news item about this
subject, so you can easily get up to speed.

However, what are you referring to in regards to
desktop tools? Such as System Center? How are these going to become
low or no cost? No one is developing anything like it.

No, I'm thinking of Windows and Office... those are the desktop products
that look like becoming commodities. And that is why Microsoft is
raising the specter of patent lawsuits. (The number of supposed patent
violations their GC threw out was 235, not 265, BTW.)

The discussion is about MS being a monopoly. The first sentence is what
MS would have to do in order to "ATTEMPT" to accomplish that. Even then
linux would keep it from happening. The rest of it is the garbage
people attempt to claim as monopolistic practices. Which may seem that
way but third parties has always been able to do what they want. People
claim MS is a monopoly because they simply wont give out the source code
of their OS. Why the hell should they?

I'm not pushing the term "monopoly." That's a matter of semantics. This
thread, originally at least, was about how Microsoft is challenging the
legality of open-source competitors. That is the subject that interests
me.

That's just it. They have been making these claims for MANY YEARS.
2008 will not be any different. Have you seen all the problems Ubuntu
7.x is having? People that love 6.x are finding they dislike 7.x. That
is not a huge leap forward so 1-2 years wont show us much of anything.

I'm not aware that 7.04 is causing an unusual number of problems. I have
installed it on a test machine, and it's not all that different from
6.10, which I'm using right now.

Linux is getting better and better for the home. However it has a long
way to go until it's ready for mass business implementations. A
business starting from scratch would have much better luck.

It will be several more years before most businesses seriously consider
exchanging Windows for a free replacement. But the day will come.
Microsoft knows this, but they don't like it, and that's why they are
trotting out their lawyers to talk to Fortune magazine about patent
violations.

Charlie

 

[Justin]

MS is scared sh*tless of Open Source

Post a source backing up this claim. I want to know who you spoke to at MS
to obtain this info.

 

[Frank]

Alias wrote:

Um, the Microsoft/Open Source patent story is all over the Internet on
every single news web site you can imagine. Where have you been, under a
rock? MS is scared sh*tless of Open Source, especially in the third
world market. Maybe you're too ill informed and ignorant to acknowledge
the viability of Open Source but MS isn't.

Alias

Maybe in your mind...oh wait a min...you're that brainless know nothing
fugitive linux loser hiding in spain.
Go screw your worthless self.
Frank

 

[Doris Day - MFB]

This is why everyone thinks you are full of crap:

"their products are bad"

Which products? ALL OF THEM???? I seriously doubt you've used ALL their
products which makes you a liar at best.

OK, maybe Alias is getting frustrated and exaggerating a bit. Microsoft does
make one piece of software that is very advanced and very good. It's called
Microsoft Minesweeper. <snort>

Love and Kisses,
Doris

 

[Alias]

Post a source backing up this claim. I want to know who you spoke to at
MS to obtain this info.

I can see that you, like Frank, aren't up on the news. You can start here:

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9019462

Use Google News to search for Microsoft Linux Patents for more.

As the old adage goes, "actions speak louder than words" and I base my
conclusion -- as do many others -- on Microsoft's actions, as most of
their words are FUD.

Alias

 

[Alias]

Alias wrote:



Maybe in your mind...oh wait a min...you're that brainless know nothing
fugitive linux loser hiding in spain.
Go screw your worthless self.
Frank

Why do I get the feeling that Frank lives in a trailer park and drinks
beer all day?

Alias

 

[Nina DiBoy]

Nina DiBoy wrote:

<--------------------------

I place articles about MS written by MJF, one of the oldest known open
MS haters as pure rubbish and very biased. She even says at the end of
the article, "to me" meaning in her opinion.
Her journalistic aptitude is right along side that of the register,
which always refers to MS as "the vole".
Their open hostility towards all things MS reminds me of linux fanatics.
Frank

It is possible, if remote. And it would really suck if it happened. If
MS doesn't do it, some other huge corporate entity which has also been a
major patent troll will cause something similar to happen. The whole
system for control of IP is failing fast. The boat will tip sooner or
later.

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[Richard Urban]

What's wrong with drinking beer all day? (-;



--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

 

[Alias]

What's wrong with drinking beer all day? (-;

Let's see. A few things:

1. You get a beer belly

2. You only have one liver

3. You end up posting crap like Frank does

4. You act like an idiot on a regular basis

Alias

 

[Alias]

Let's see. A few things:

1. You get a beer belly

2. You only have one liver

3. You end up posting crap like Frank does

4. You act like an idiot on a regular basis

Alias

5. The DTs are no walk in the park and, if unattended, you will DIE.

6. Alcohol is addictive.

Enough reasons?

Alias

 

[Nina DiBoy]

Justin wrote:

If you need to manage windows desktops then you should look at the new
System Center tools. Awesome stuff!

I read up on it a bit more and it just sounds like they are pooling
together their system admin tools and adding some consolidation and
improvements. I noticed they included SMS. I still run an ancient SMS
2.0 system at work, LOL.


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Most recent idiotic quote added to KICK (Klassic Idiotic Caption Kooks):
"Very simple Nothing I like better than insulting Linsux losers, fanboys
and trolls like you."

"Good poets borrow; great poets steal."
- T. S. Eliot

 

[Justin]

I can see that you, like Frank, aren't up on the news. You can start here:

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9019462

That article in NO WAY backs up your claim. Just more weasel words from
alias.

 

[Justin]

Let's see. A few things:

1. You get a beer belly

False or lie, take your pick.

2. You only have one liver

False or lie, take your pick.

3. You end up posting crap like Frank does

False or lie, take your pick.

4. You act like an idiot on a regular basis

False or lie, take your pick.

alias lives in the land of half truths.