Microsoft takes on the free world

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Alias

Frank said:
They're not meant to. They show marketing skills. The Gates/Ballmer
partnership will go down in marketing history as one of the, if not the,
most successful ever.
No partnership has ever achieved what they have. You've got to give them
their earned respect.
Warts and all.
Frank

The partnership of Firestone, Standard Oil and the Auto Industry was
more successful if you consider ruining the environment to make a buck a
"success".

The Drug Cartels make a lot of money too.

Just because a company is good at scamming doesn't make their products
good or their practices worthy of respect.

Alias
 
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Justin

Alias said:
The partnership of Firestone, Standard Oil and the Auto Industry was more
successful if you consider ruining the environment to make a buck a
"success".

The Drug Cartels make a lot of money too.

Just because a company is good at scamming doesn't make their products
good or their practices worthy of respect.

I drink a lot of coke but I don't "respect" the company. Who cares?
 
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Justin

Charlie Wilkes said:
As to whether 90+ percent is a monopoly, call it what you will.

Anther good point to bring up is that Apple is gaining market share.
Supposedly linux is as well?

Business A + Business B gaining market share + Business C gaining market
share = Business A monopoly???

I guess we can re-write the dictionary if you want.
 
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Alias

Justin said:
You're an idiot.

Um, caffeine is a drug. The sugar in Coke will rot our teeth out and
possibly give you diabetes so who's the idiot? Do you also eat a fast
food joints like Burger Death?
Sure, whatever you say alias. Keep using XP from the company you don't
respect. Cry us a river!

For now, I will, but not for long. I find myself using Ubuntu MUCH more
than XP.

Alias
 
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Nina DiBoy

Justin said:
So what you are saying is that you are not familiar with MS' entire
product line? Then how can you comment on MS as a whole?

Well, I was actually just expressing my opinion. I'm employed in IT and
have been having to deal with their products on a daily basis for years
as a result. Anyone in that kind of position will develop their own
opinions and judgments about the stuff they work with the most. Clearly
you've done so also.
Now THAT'S something to talk about.

Agreed! ;)

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Nina DiBoy

Justin said:
Nope, that was already explained.

Sorry, but UAC is not one of the more innovative items to have come out
of microsoft.

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Justin

Alias said:
Um, caffeine is a drug. The sugar in Coke will rot our teeth out and
possibly give you diabetes so who's the idiot? Do you also eat a fast food
joints like Burger Death?

Like I said, you're an idiot.
For now, I will, but not for long. I find myself using Ubuntu MUCH more
than XP.

Good.
 
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Justin

Nina DiBoy said:
Well, I was actually just expressing my opinion. I'm employed in IT and
have been having to deal with their products on a daily basis for years as
a result. Anyone in that kind of position will develop their own opinions
and judgments about the stuff they work with the most. Clearly you've
done so also.

Absolutely. However I comment on specific items. I look at the big
picture.

If you need to manage windows desktops then you should look at the new
System Center tools. Awesome stuff!
 
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Justin

Nina DiBoy said:
Sorry, but UAC is not one of the more innovative items to have come out
of microsoft.

I 100% agree. It sucks. It's also not the only thing to come out of MS.
 
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Nina DiBoy

Alias said:
The partnership of Firestone, Standard Oil and the Auto Industry was
more successful if you consider ruining the environment to make a buck a
"success".

The Drug Cartels make a lot of money too.

Just because a company is good at scamming doesn't make their products
good or their practices worthy of respect.

Alias

Very well said Alias! :)

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Nina DiBoy

Justin said:
I drink a lot of coke but I don't "respect" the company. Who cares?

It feels like I have answered this question before.

Ehem - the ones who care are the paying customers who are tired of buggy
DRM that insults them and treats them like criminals. The ones who care
are also the small, third party software operations who get bought out
by MS just because they make a better product. The ones who care
include the multiple gov'ts from around the world who have held MS
accountable for their shady business practices. Need I go on?

Something else of note here Justin is that you obviously do not speak
your beliefs with your dollar. If you really don't care as you seem,
then you are just one of the many sheeple in the marketplace.

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Frank

Nor does it make their products bad just because you don't like or can't
afford them.
You're a real unhappy person aren't you.
You hate MS and are a linux fanatic.
Frank
 
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Alias

Frank said:
Nor does it make their products bad just because you don't like or can't
afford them.

No, their products are bad due to the way they made them. It has nothing
to do with what I like or what I can or cannot afford (or Nina for that
matter).
You're a real unhappy person aren't you.

No, in fact, I look forward to every day.
You hate MS and are a linux fanatic.

I don't hate anything except hatred. I am just learning Linux so it's
impossible for me to be a "Linux fanatic".

When you snip something, please accredit it to the actual writer. In
this post, you are quoting me and saying that Nina wrote the comment.

Now, can you address what I really posted or do we have to continue to
put up with your fantasies about what I wrote and who you think I am?

Alias
 
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Adam Albright

If linux is as functional as you say then there is 100% no doubt that there
is a viable alternative. Thus disproving the monopoly.

Anybody remind you today you're just a village idiot Justin? Now they
have.

Being a monopoly has nothing to do with viable alternatives. In
decades past Ma Bell, the original AT&T, was a monopoly until the
government broke it up. During the 50's and 60's and into the 70's
hardly anything in telephone technology changed that filtered down to
the consumer. Same old, same old. Why bother? AT&T had a lock on phone
service.

Back then we only had ground phone lines, long distance was expensive.
You wanted Internet access assuming your local phone company offered
it back in the ealy 90's, they on purpose dragged their feet and
limited speed to a trickle. Broadband? You kidding? You were lucky if
the local phone companies allowed you to hook up a 4800 baud modem.
Then with competition things rapidly started to change. When the cable
companies entered the picture it gave the local phone companies a well
deserved kick in the ass. Now they had to improve their service and
they did and the only reason they did was because of competition.

Now that Ma Bell was broke up and no longer is a monopoly, look at the
landscape. Cellphones, lower long distance rates, Internet phones, new
technologies sprouting up almost daily because of a HEALTHY
competative market. Think any of that would have happened as well or
as fast if AT&T remainded a monopoly?

Now Justin, are you sitting down? Imagine what might happen if
Microsoft wasn't a monopoly? Never mind, asking Justin to think is a
waste of time. He's Microsoft's biggest fanboy but can't even admit
that.
Don’t get me wrong. Linux has it’s place. I just don't feel it has it's
place in the average business desktop.

Bingo! What do you think would happen if Microsoft had say maybe just
40% of the market place or even less? Hint: An explosion in new
technologies. Microsoft wouldn't go away, no, forced to instead play
on on a level playing field the consumer would benefit because instead
of Microsoft alone deciding how things should be, maybe a half a dozen
or more companies would be competing for the same consumer's dollar.
Everybody would benefit because to hang on to the share they had
everybody would be forced to improve... even Microsoft. No more shoddy
software from anybody because to hold your market share you couldn't
get away with that kind of crap any longer.
Welcome to business.

You don't know s*it about business... or anything else, which you
reprove daily. But hey, keep entertaining us with your crap. Makes mye
chuckle.
 
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Charlie Wilkes

If linux is as functional as you say then there is 100% no doubt that
there is a viable alternative. Thus disproving the monopoly.

As I said, call it what you will.
Don’t get me wrong. Linux has it’s place. I just don't feel it has
it's place in the average business desktop.


3D party? As in CAD? Animation? I beg to differ.

??? You beg to differ, but you don't explain how you see the situation.
Welcome to business. If OSX and Linux where "as good" as you say it is
then people would want it. Vendors would offer it.

In the case of Linux, a snapshot view of present-day market share is less
significant than the trend. Linux is improving -- fast. In the past
couple of years, Linux has become dramatically more accessible and
appealing to the average PC user, and that will only continue.

And now Microsoft, which has shamelessly cloned every significant
innovation from web browsers to desktop photo organizers, is squawking
about "265" patent violations. Like Joseph McCarthy, who never divulged
the names on his supposed list of commies, Microsoft is not divulging the
details of what patents have been violated. Instead (like McCarthy),
they are invoking vague, paranoid threats to spread fear, uncertainty and
doubt.

Why are they doing that? I think it is because they see and understand
the trend. The desktop software tools that have earned Microsoft many
billions of dollars are about to become low- or no-cost commodities. And
Microsoft has no way of replacing that revenue, once it goes away. Their
Internet business is a joke. Their game business loses money every
quarter. That is why Microsoft is in panic mode, dishing out FUD in
media interviews. And the situation is not helped by an oafish CEO whose
natural tendency is to view everything in adversarial terms. It's really
quite sad to watch.
If MS where to buy out Apple then THAT would be a monopolistic practice.
All this BS about including a browser is a bunch of crap. Not opening
up their OS to let anyone do whatever they want is ridiculous. Why
would ANYONE warranty a product that allows anyone to do whatever they
want to it? MS is the only company that is expected to do as such.
Apple isn't. Why not?

??? Your meaning is unclear.
The desktop as itself sitting in a corner by itself? Yes. Try to
deploy Ubuntu in a 1000+ workstation environment with countless mixed
hardware. I only have 300+ and can't do it.

I'm not a systems administrator, so I wouldn't know. But once again, I
invite you to look at the trend. If an enterprise rollout of Ubuntu (or
perhaps a different, more business-oriented version of Linux) doesn't
work now, does that mean it won't work a year or two from now?

Charlie
 
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Nina DiBoy

Doris said:
The reason MickeyMouse is now trying to take on the world ...

http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=437

A most concise and right-on explanation about what MickeyMouse is doing and
a pretty sound conclusion ...

http://tinyurl.com/2ldngh

"Should Microsoft really start to sue companies, then maybe the United
States will be avoided as a market by an increasing number of companies,
headquarters of American companies (except for Novell) will be moved
outside the U.S., and Microsoft will be responsible for the worst recession
in the history of the United States!"

Love and Kisses,
Doris

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Frank

Nina DiBoy wrote:

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I place articles about MS written by MJF, one of the oldest known open
MS haters as pure rubbish and very biased. She even says at the end of
the article, "to me" meaning in her opinion.
Her journalistic aptitude is right along side that of the register,
which always refers to MS as "the vole".
Their open hostility towards all things MS reminds me of linux fanatics.
Frank
 

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