Microsoft Sucks!

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We buy hundreds of laptops per year for my company, from varying
manufacturers, all running XP Pro. Other than basic equipment
failures, they seldom freeze or reboot - and if they do, it is almost
always traced back to the user going somewhere on the net where they
shouldn't have, and getting viruses/trojans/spyware/malware/adware.
Don't blame to OS for the user's flaws.
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I agree, where I live the Tech Support for the schools is provided by
some group called Treca, and I don't think they have a competent
technician or designer in their group. The install systems for students
that are not locked down, have mice with balls instead of optical (since
the kids take the mouse ball), don't configure anything correctly on the
desktops or laptops......

I went in on weekend and reconfigured all 16 computers in my wife's
classroom and, with the exception of the mouse balls, she never had
another problem, and if she had a problem, I provided her with an image
on CD that would auto-restore any machine in about 8 minutes.

It's not really what you buy, it's knowing how to use it - or in the
case of schools, knowing how to get around the incompetent technical
people that set them up.
 
NobodyMan said:
We buy hundreds of laptops per year for my company, from varying
manufacturers, all running XP Pro. Other than basic equipment
failures, they seldom freeze or reboot - and if they do, it is almost
always traced back to the user going somewhere on the net where they
shouldn't have, and getting viruses/trojans/spyware/malware/adware.
Don't blame to OS for the user's flaws.
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And how many of those laptops were running a Linux or BSD variant?

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NobodyMan said:
We buy hundreds of laptops per year for my company, from varying
manufacturers, all running XP Pro. Other than basic equipment
failures, they seldom freeze or reboot - and if they do, it is almost
always traced back to the user going somewhere on the net where they
shouldn't have, and getting viruses/trojans/spyware/malware/adware.
Don't blame to OS for the user's flaws.
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Funny you should mention that. Let me relate to you my last new installation
of XP. Customer came in with a computer that had Win98 on it and a retail
purchased XP Pro and wanted me to wipe his drive and install XP.

Installation went without a hitch and after it was installed, there were 3
things I wanted to do initially. I wanted to get an AV program installed. I
wanted to get FireFox installed and I wanted to put Adaware on his system.

Startup IE, and go and download FireFox. Then went and got AVG and finally
went and downloaded the latest Adaware.

Install the above 3 apps and run Adaware. Found 6 spyware programs on first
run.

Now where do you think they came from? Didn't go to any place I "shouldn't
have". The only place I can figure it picked that sh*t up was at MSN's home
page, because that damn IE defaulted to that as the home page and that was
my first connection to the net when starting the above procedure. So 6
spyware programs in the first 3 seconds of being on the Net.

Stop blaming the end-user. I'm getting sick of this MickeyMouse FUD! Never
the weak OS, always something the end-user did or didn't do.

That's why I've long since given up using a Windoze OS to connect to the Net
and can no longer recommend using Windoze if you want to do anything but
play games (not Internet connected games) and never connect your box to the
Net. Use a robust alternative OS and these silly problems are gone. Then
users can go where they want on the Net without worry.
 
Funny you should mention that. Let me relate to you my last new installation
of XP. Customer came in with a computer that had Win98 on it and a retail
purchased XP Pro and wanted me to wipe his drive and install XP.

Installation went without a hitch and after it was installed, there were 3
things I wanted to do initially. I wanted to get an AV program installed. I
wanted to get FireFox installed and I wanted to put Adaware on his system.

Startup IE, and go and download FireFox. Then went and got AVG and finally
went and downloaded the latest Adaware.

Install the above 3 apps and run Adaware. Found 6 spyware programs on first
run.

Now where do you think they came from? Didn't go to any place I "shouldn't
have". The only place I can figure it picked that sh*t up was at MSN's home
page, because that damn IE defaulted to that as the home page and that was
my first connection to the net when starting the above procedure. So 6
spyware programs in the first 3 seconds of being on the Net.
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I got news for you, but your network is compromised or you didn't
understand why the spyware was.

If you build a Windows box, according to MS's instructions, you won't
have spyware. If you are in a secure network, or even behind a cheap NAT
device, you can install and update and get AV software without ANY
SPYWARE or compromise.

Your inability to setup XP without being compromised is an indication of
your lack of ability to understand security, the Windows platform, and
your lack of technical skills.
 
Leythos said:
I got news for you, but your network is compromised or you didn't
understand why the spyware was.
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Sorry but my network is not compromised. The rest of your sentence is
unintelligible, so I can't reply.
If you build a Windows box, according to MS's instructions, you won't
have spyware. If you are in a secure network, or even behind a cheap NAT
device, you can install and update and get AV software without ANY
SPYWARE or compromise.
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Of course I'm behind a hardware router. Looks to me like you have difficulty
reading and comprehending. I told you exactly the procedure and the
results.
Your inability to setup XP without being compromised is an indication of
your lack of ability to understand security, the Windows platform, and
your lack of technical skills.
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Look kid, I've been working on computers for 25 years. I have probably
forgotten more than you know now about computers. So cut the crap. I
haven't even seen a bit of spyware, worms, virsuses or other malware on my
systems in a long long time. I fully understand how to secure my network
and it starts by using an OS that isn't that Nintendo p.o.s. that my
customer had me install for him.
 
Exactly what spyware programs?
Hopefully you are not referring to cookies as programs.
If you got undesired cookies, you needed to change the way IE deals with
cookies.
Also one item in IE comes up as spyware but does nothing until you press the
button for related information.
 
Do you get enough pirated software in Mac Os X or Linux? If the answer is NO then shut up! Don't tell us to use any other operating system because we like M$ where pirated software are in abundance.

Long live uncle Bill.
 
I second that. This baby is capable of starting a riot in an empty room!!
 
Look kid, I've been working on computers for 25 years. I have probably
forgotten more than you know now about computers. So cut the crap. I
haven't even seen a bit of spyware, worms, virsuses or other malware on my
systems in a long long time. I fully understand how to secure my network
and it starts by using an OS that isn't that Nintendo p.o.s. that my
customer had me install for him.
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I got you beat, been doing computers since the early 70's, and if you
got spyware then all that you said above is BS.

A router, doing NAT, does not secure your network, and does nothing to
filter HTTP session content.

You stated that you got spyware on the PC, you blamed MS, you said the
spyware software detected it, that means you did something wrong, since
following the normal install process, updates, etc.. has never rendered
spyware on a machine for the thousands I've done.
 
Leythos wrote:

I got you beat, been doing computers since the early 70's <snip>
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Even with a boatload of KY, that's really got to hurt!

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Funny you should mention that. Let me relate to you my last new installation
of XP. Customer came in with a computer that had Win98 on it and a retail
purchased XP Pro and wanted me to wipe his drive and install XP.

Installation went without a hitch and after it was installed, there were 3
things I wanted to do initially. I wanted to get an AV program installed. I
wanted to get FireFox installed and I wanted to put Adaware on his system.

Startup IE, and go and download FireFox. Then went and got AVG and finally
went and downloaded the latest Adaware.

Install the above 3 apps and run Adaware. Found 6 spyware programs on first
run.

Now where do you think they came from? Didn't go to any place I "shouldn't
have". The only place I can figure it picked that sh*t up was at MSN's home
page, because that damn IE defaulted to that as the home page and that was
my first connection to the net when starting the above procedure. So 6
spyware programs in the first 3 seconds of being on the Net.

Stop blaming the end-user. I'm getting sick of this MickeyMouse FUD! Never
the weak OS, always something the end-user did or didn't do.
Click to expand...

You never mentioned many things. Did you have the AV setup BEFORE you
hooked up to the 'net? Was the firewall active? Something else
happened; MSN itself was not stricly at fault here. Our computers at
work default to MSN when they open up, and we NEVER get spyware on
them until after the end-users have them for a bit. I go back, look
in the history and the IPs in the proxies and discover all the
interesting places they went and all the crap they unknowingly got
from them. It if was from MSN these problems wouldn't take several
weeks to manifest.
That's why I've long since given up using a Windoze OS to connect to the Net
and can no longer recommend using Windoze if you want to do anything but
play games (not Internet connected games) and never connect your box to the
Net. Use a robust alternative OS and these silly problems are gone. Then
users can go where they want on the Net without worry.
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Of course you'd recommend Linux, but lets face it, it is a LLOONNGG
way from being a home-use OS. People don't want an OS they have to
think about when they add hardware or want to install a program; they
want to slam in a sound card, turn on the system, provide the
requested CD and be done in less than a minute. No matter how much
you may LOVE Linux, it just doesn't match the ease of use of Windows
and probably won't for years to come. Just face that.
 
ApplesRAwesome said:
Microsoft Sucks!

I have used every Windows OS ever made, I Have used Mac OS X, and I have
experimented with Linux. I can say, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Microsoft
Sucks!

Not to mention that the original Windows Operating System was nearly a clone
of the first Mac OS. Bill Gates didn't even write DOS for crying out loud, he
bought it from someone else, and relicensed it.
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Actually, I think if you check the history, Bill STOLE the DOS system
from his friend and college buddy the creator of Apple computers.
 
AxMan said:
Actually, I think if you check the history, Bill STOLE the DOS system from
his friend and college buddy the creator of Apple computers.
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You really should do a quick google before you post. MS-DOS was mostly based
on QDOS written by Tim Paterson of Seattle Computer Products. Microsoft
purchased QDOS from Seattle Computer Products. It wasn't stolen. QDOS itself
was based on CP/M. It could be argued that QDOS stole from CP/M but that was
before Bill Gates was involved. IBM thought that argument might have had
some merit as they agreed to distribute CP/M-86 to anyone that had PC-DOS,
their version of MS-DOS. That is the easily found on google version. How
much of that is true only the people involved know. There is no mention of
anyone connected to Apple.

PIP AXMAN=C:KILLFILE

Kerry
 
Kerry said:
You really should do a quick google before you post. MS-DOS was
mostly based on QDOS written by Tim Paterson of Seattle Computer
Products. Microsoft purchased QDOS from Seattle Computer Products. It
wasn't stolen. QDOS itself was based on CP/M. It could be argued that
QDOS stole from CP/M but that was before Bill Gates was involved. IBM
thought that argument might have had some merit as they agreed to
distribute CP/M-86 to anyone that had PC-DOS, their version of
MS-DOS.
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LOL! PC-DOS is CP/M's version of MS-DOS! I would think you are putting
the chicken before the egg.
That is the easily found on google version. How much of that
is true only the people involved know. There is no mention of anyone
connected to Apple.
PIP AXMAN=C:KILLFILE
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Lame. Just absolutely lame. No one wants or needs to know about your
virtual hit list.

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kurttrail said:
LOL! PC-DOS is CP/M's version of MS-DOS! I would think you are putting
the chicken before the egg.
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PC-DOS was IBM's version of MS-DOS. CP/M-86 was Digital Research's answer to
MS-DOS. Digital Research marketed CP/M then CP/M-86.

http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/P/PC_DOS.html

It was a joke PIP was the copy command in CP/M. I was wondering how many
people reading this newsgroup had actually used CP/M, MS-DOS, and PC-DOS and
get the reference :-)
 
Kerry Brown said:
It was a joke PIP was the copy command in CP/M. I was wondering
how many people reading this newsgroup had actually used CP/M,
MS-DOS, and PC-DOS and get the reference :-)
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If I was old enough to remember any of that I wouldn't admit it.

Can we talk about TRSDOS now?
 
David said:
If I was old enough to remember any of that I wouldn't admit it.

Can we talk about TRSDOS now?
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No. The point is that Gate/Microsoft didn't "innovate" anything when it
came to DOS. He/it modify some code that was already out there, and did
it without permission.

Tis the height of arrogance that they now what everyone to get
permission to use the copies of code it sells to people through third
parties!

But that is what makes MS what it is today, the most hated major
corporation on the face of the planet.

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David R. Norton MVP said:
If I was old enough to remember any of that I wouldn't admit it.

Can we talk about TRSDOS now?
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That newfangled stuff will never catch on. My trash-80 ran CP/M. There was
no need for TRSDOS :-)

Seriously though, if more people studied a little bit of history instead of
relying on hearsay there would be a lot less hyperbole about Microsoft vs
Linux vs The New Greatest OS Ever. It's happened before, it'll happen again.
Computers are evolving too fast for any one company or OS to keep the upper
hand for very long. Things will change, that's the only constant so far in
the computing universe.

Kerry
 
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