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keith

There is no excuse for coffee that hot. It will be
interesting to see what happens if one of your friend's
customers needs a skin graft after spilling his coffee.
"I vas chust following orders" is not an acceptable
excuse for blatant stupidity so I would expect your
friend to be personally liable.


You've never had an accident ? Nobody has ever spilled
their coffee on you or caused you to spill yours on
yourself ?

Sure, but I don't *ASK* for it by putting a cup of hot water in my crotch
just *waiting* for the pain. Good grief, think man!
And 150 or 160 degrees or is no big deal

You stick your dick in it! It's a big deal to me. I don't care if it's
150F or 180F, I'm not going to ask for such pain. Sure, I've spilled
coffee on myself, but I don't put the damned cup between my legs! Perhaps
you're that stupid, but I leaned hot water is *hot* when I was a wee
child.
you scream and cuss and then
you go home to change your clothes and the event is soon forgotten.

Certainly. I scream and curse *myself* for being so *stupid*. ...rather
like I do when I mash my thimb with a hammer. I don't run out ans sue
Stanleeey because they sold me a 20oz. hammer, when the "standard" hammer
is 16oz.
*THAT* is what people expect when they spill their coffee. 180'
coffee is an entirely different story.

YOu're worng. 180F coffee is perfectly normal. As I said above, Dunkin'
DOnuts *required* that their fhanchisees serve coffee at 180F +/- 3F at
that *same* time.
150 to 160 degree is plenty hot for coffee yet safe if you spill it on
yourself and that is what people expect. 180 degrees is simply stupid
and dangerous and nobody expects that

You're simply wrong. 180F is a perfectly normal serving temperature for
coffee. Not that it matters much, you don't put 150F coffee in your
crotch either, I would suppose. I thought you were smarter than that
anyway.

You really need to re-think your blame-some/anyone-else-first socialistic
stance. Hot water is *hot*. Hammers impart much energy. One treats
both with respect. Putting coffee between one's legs and whacking one on
the forehead with a hammer are pretty much one and the same thing;
self-inflicted wounds.

"Ohhh, I hate it when that happens".
 
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Rob Stow

keith said:
Sure, but I don't *ASK* for it by putting a cup of hot water in my crotch
just *waiting* for the pain. Good grief, think man!

What the heck is this obsession with coffee and your crotch ?
Everybody else in this thread is talking about coffee but
you keep talking about your dick.
You stick your dick in it! It's a big deal to me. I don't care if it's
150F or 180F, I'm not going to ask for such pain. Sure, I've spilled
coffee on myself, but I don't put the damned cup between my legs! Perhaps
you're that stupid, but I leaned hot water is *hot* when I was a wee
child.

Ok. So I'm in line at the drive in window at Tim Horton's
and the idiot behind me bumps my car just as I'm receiving
a cup of hot coffee from the cashier. And since you are
so obsessed with dicks, lets assume that is where the coffee
lands. I go home to clean myself up.

Meanwhile, 2000 miles away in Redneckistan you get bumped
while in line at McDonald's - and since you are so obsessed
with your crotch let's assume that is where the coffee lands.
Call me from the emergency room and tell me again that you
think 180' coffee wasn't an incredibly stupid idea from the
PHBs at Rotten Ronald's. And stop picking at those blisters,
damn it.
Certainly. I scream and curse *myself* for being so *stupid*. ...rather
like I do when I mash my thimb with a hammer. I don't run out ans sue
Stanleeey because they sold me a 20oz. hammer, when the "standard" hammer
is 16oz.




YOu're worng. 180F coffee is perfectly normal. As I said above, Dunkin'
DOnuts *required* that their fhanchisees serve coffee at 180F +/- 3F at
that *same* time.

So McD's and Dunkin - two out of umpteen chains - require
there coffee to be served at 180'F. Hardly such a huge
preponderance of vendors that you can call their idiotic
practices the norm.

I regularly have coffee at many places - including the
big chains (at least in Canada) like 7-11, Mac's, Starbuck's,
Robin's Donuts, Tim Horton's, Burger King, A&W, Dairy Queen,
Smitty's, Boston's, and so on - and *none* of them serve their
coffee at a temperature anywhere near as high as McDonald's does.

You're simply wrong. 180F is a perfectly normal serving temperature for
coffee. Not that it matters much, you don't put 150F coffee in your
crotch either, I would suppose. I thought you were smarter than that
anyway.

So if someone joggles your elbow and you get third degree
burns from spilling 180'F coffee down your chest that is
perfectly OK because your crotch wasn't involved ?
 
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Rupert Pigott

keith said:
Sure, but I don't *ASK* for it by putting a cup of hot water in my crotch
just *waiting* for the pain. Good grief, think man!



You stick your dick in it! It's a big deal to me. I don't care if it's
150F or 180F, I'm not going to ask for such pain. Sure, I've spilled
coffee on myself, but I don't put the damned cup between my legs! Perhaps
you're that stupid, but I leaned hot water is *hot* when I was a wee
child.

Think about this : You've got your cup of superheated McD's coffee
in one hand and you are getting into your car. Just as you sit down
and you are carefully moving your superheated cup of coffee to a
place well away from your genitals some motherfucker rear ends your
parked car and you end up with this unnecessarily hot cup of coffee
in your crotch anyways.

Sure you'd probably litigate against the careless driver, but if
you had any sense at all you'd litigate against the ****ers who
made coffee so hot that an incidient beyond your control boiled
your bollocks.

Superficially that case did sound stupid, but when the details did
actually emerge it appears McDs were being practically homicidal.

Cheers,
Rupert
 
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Robert Redelmeier

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips keith said:
Certainly. I scream and curse *myself* for being so
*stupid*. ...rather like I do when I mash my thimb with
a hammer. I don't run out ans sue Stanleeey because they
sold me a 20oz. hammer, when the "standard" hammer is 16oz.

Ah, but when you bought that 20oz, there were almost certainly
16oz'ers present, and that 20oz may have even been called
"heravyweight" or "hefty" or "supersized".

I'd have no problem if McD (and Dunkin' apparently at that
time) were to say "We serve our coffee hotter than normal
so you can enjoy it longer" or some other such warning that
there was an unusual hazard.

It's _hidden_ hazards that I decry.

-- Robert
 
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Wes Newell

Ok. So I'm in line at the drive in window at Tim Horton's
and the idiot behind me bumps my car just as I'm receiving
a cup of hot coffee from the cashier. And since you are
so obsessed with dicks, lets assume that is where the coffee
lands. I go home to clean myself up.

Meanwhile, 2000 miles away in Redneckistan you get bumped
while in line at McDonald's - and since you are so obsessed
with your crotch let's assume that is where the coffee lands.
Call me from the emergency room and tell me again that you
think 180' coffee wasn't an incredibly stupid idea from the
PHBs at Rotten Ronald's. And stop picking at those blisters,
damn it.
Well, since the coffee was used for something other than what it was
intended for it doesn't matter who sold it to you, as the person that
caused the acident would be liable for any damage. Not the person that
sold the coffee to you, the pubic water works for providing the water
since they know it can be used dangerously if heated, the maker of the cup
since they know it's made to hold a dangerous substance. Maybe the auto
companys since you were in their vehicles and they didn't warn you not to
drink hot coffee in the car. Now, just how ****ing stupid are you?
So McD's and Dunkin - two out of umpteen chains - require there coffee
to be served at 180'F. Hardly such a huge preponderance of vendors that
you can call their idiotic practices the norm.

And I suppose you know what temps all the little coffee shops around the
US sell their coffee at? And on top of that, it doesn't matter IMO. Hot is
hot. Would you jump into a bathtub filled with 160F hot water> How about
130FF. The 160F would scold you. And the 130F would come close to it
I regularly have coffee at many places - including the big chains (at
least in Canada) like 7-11, Mac's, Starbuck's, Robin's Donuts, Tim
Horton's, Burger King, A&W, Dairy Queen, Smitty's, Boston's, and so on -
and *none* of them serve their coffee at a temperature anywhere near as
high as McDonald's does.
Don't like it? You don't have to buy it. Seems simple enough to me.
So if someone joggles your elbow and you get third degree burns from
spilling 180'F coffee down your chest that is perfectly OK because your
crotch wasn't involved ?
No, but you don't sue the person that sold you the coffee. You sue the
person that bumped you. If someone driving a Chevy hits your car and
causes damage, do you sue chevy for allowing this person to drive a car
it made. Rediculous, just like everything else you've said.
 
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Rob Stow

Wes said:
Well, since the coffee was used for something other than what it was
intended for it doesn't matter who sold it to you, as the person that
caused the acident would be liable for any damage. Not the person that
sold the coffee to you, the pubic water works for providing the water
since they know it can be used dangerously if heated, the maker of the cup
since they know it's made to hold a dangerous substance. Maybe the auto
companys since you were in their vehicles and they didn't warn you not to
drink hot coffee in the car. Now, just how ****ing stupid are you?




And I suppose you know what temps all the little coffee shops around the
US sell their coffee at?

Nope, but I do remember that at the time of the first
McDonald's hot coffee lawsuit there was evidence filed
showing that at 181'F the McDonald's coffee was more than
20'F hotter than what was sold by anyone else in that city.
And on top of that, it doesn't matter IMO. Hot is hot.

That's bullshit and you know it. The degree of
hotness makes a huge difference. Hotter coffee has
both more energy to transfer to the skin and a
higher thermal transfer rate.

Would you jump into a bathtub filled with 160F hot water> How about
130FF. The 160F would scold you. And the 130F would come close to it

160'F water can scald if the exposure is long enough.
A scolding would have to come from some other source.
With a typical coffee spill the exposure is NOT long
enough. At 180'F there is both a lot more energy in the
coffee and the thermal transfer rate -

The hot water out of my kitchen tap is 160'F. It
stings when I am rinsing dishes after washing them,
but it is easy to live with when you know it is only
for a second or two at a time.

I have been in a 53'C hot tub a few times - about 127'F.
However, I can't take that for more than a minute or two
unless the hot tub is outdoors on a nice cold -30'C night.
Not painful at all except when you periodically dunk your
head to get rid of the ice that builds up in your hair.
Quite exhilarating. People who are used to it - such as
the owners of said hot tub - can take it for twenty minutes.

Don't like it? You don't have to buy it. Seems simple enough to me.

S'matter of fact I don't buy McDonald's coffee anymore -
not since what should have been a non-event ordinary
coffee spill put blisters on my hand that lasted two weeks.
No, but you don't sue the person that sold you the coffee. You sue the
person that bumped you. If someone driving a Chevy hits your car and
causes damage, do you sue chevy for allowing this person to drive a car
it made. Rediculous, just like everything else you've said.

I didn't propose that anyone sue anyone else.
The only point I've been trying to make is that 180'F is
incredibly stupid for coffee. It exposes the customers -
and the servers, for that matter - to the risk of
unnecessarily severe burns when accidents happen as they
inevitably will. And nobody has posted anything yet that
suggests that there are any benefits to 180'F coffee that
come close to justifying the risks.
 
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Locutus

I didn't propose that anyone sue anyone else.
The only point I've been trying to make is that 180'F is
incredibly stupid for coffee. It exposes the customers -
and the servers, for that matter - to the risk of
unnecessarily severe burns when accidents happen as they
inevitably will. And nobody has posted anything yet that
suggests that there are any benefits to 180'F coffee that
come close to justifying the risks.

im in the food service business
and most places their coffee is served at +\- 192 deg F

so 180 is cold
 
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The Chief

I didn't propose that anyone sue anyone else.
im in the food service business
and most places their coffee is served at +\- 192 deg F

so 180 is cold

The incredibly stupid individuals are the ones trying to justify their
own stupidity. The vast majority of comments posted to this thread have
done nothing to demonstrate any logic or intelligence. They're only
trying to justify their own ignorance and stupidity, and why they should
blame someone else for their inability to take responsibility for their
own actions!

My mother, and other relatives, taught me when I was very young that hot
things burn. So, no matter where I purchased a hot cup of coffee I was
fully aware it had the capability to burn me and if I spilt it on
myself! It was my fault if I did, not someone else's!

Water boils at 212F or 100C. So, when you brew a pot of coffee at home
the water that is run over the coffee grounds is initially 212F! Do you
test it and wait until it is 130F before you drink it? I don't! It
would be like drinking piss water at that point. But, I don pour it on
my lap either!

So, if 180F is incredibly stupid for coffee, then it must be
Fahrenheit's fault for devising a temperature scale that indicated 212F
was the boiling point of water!
 
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The Chief

Locutus said:
im in the food service business
and most places their coffee is served at +\- 192 deg F

so 180 is cold
The incredibly stupid individuals are the ones trying to justify their
own stupidity. The vast majority of comments posted to this thread have
done nothing to demonstrate any logic or intelligence. They're only
trying to justify their own ignorance and stupidity, and why they should
blame someone else for their inability to take responsibility for their
own actions!

My mother, and other relatives, taught me when I was very young that hot
things burn. So, no matter where I purchased a hot cup of coffee I was
fully aware it had the capability to burn me and if I spilt it on myself
it was my fault and not someone else's!

Water boils at 212F or 100C. So, when you brew a pot of coffee at home
the water that is run over the coffee grounds is initially 212F! Do you
test it and wait until it is 130F before you drink it? I don't! It
would be like drinking piss water at that point. But, I don't pour it
on my lap either!

So, if 180F is incredibly stupid for coffee, then it must be
Fahrenheit's fault for devising a temperature scale that indicated 212F
was the boiling point of water!
 
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Locutus

The incredibly stupid individuals are the ones trying to justify their
own stupidity. The vast majority of comments posted to this thread have
done nothing to demonstrate any logic or intelligence. They're only
trying to justify their own ignorance and stupidity, and why they should
blame someone else for their inability to take responsibility for their
own actions!





I was not on any side here
just stating a fact

also I typo'd

it should have said 192 +/- 3 deg
 
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Rupert Pigott

The said:
The incredibly stupid individuals are the ones trying to justify their
own stupidity. The vast majority of comments posted to this thread have
done nothing to demonstrate any logic or intelligence. They're only
trying to justify their own ignorance and stupidity, and why they should
blame someone else for their inability to take responsibility for their
own actions!

My mother, and other relatives, taught me when I was very young that hot
things burn. So, no matter where I purchased a hot cup of coffee I was
fully aware it had the capability to burn me and if I spilt it on
myself! It was my fault if I did, not someone else's!

Water boils at 212F or 100C. So, when you brew a pot of coffee at home
the water that is run over the coffee grounds is initially 212F! Do you

Not in this house : It wrecks the flavour. Apparently the ideal temp
somewhere around 90C.
test it and wait until it is 130F before you drink it? I don't! It
would be like drinking piss water at that point. But, I don pour it on
my lap either!

You make it sound like it's a voluntary action. It might not be...

Someone might knocks your elbow.
Perhaps there's a small earthquake.
Perhaps something falling displaces the cup into your lap.
.... The list goes on ...
Maybe your grip on the cup simply is not good enough...

Watch people picking up super-hot beverages in disposable containers.
Sometimes you will see their grip readjust rapidly (risking spillage)
because their fingertips are getting burnt... That's just stupidity in
action, too hot to drink, too hot to handle, and too damn hot as far
as flavour goes.


Cheers,
Rupert
 
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Rob Stow

Locutus said:
im in the food service business
and most places their coffee is served at +\- 192 deg F

so 180 is cold

Bullshit. At 192'F you would be waiting until
hell freezes over before the coffee was cool enough
to drink. The fact of the matter is that just about
every where you go the coffee is cool enough for at
least small sips as soon as it is poured into your
cup.
 
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Locutus

Rob Stow said:
Bullshit. At 192'F you would be waiting until
hell freezes over before the coffee was cool enough
to drink. The fact of the matter is that just about
every where you go the coffee is cool enough for at
least small sips as soon as it is poured into your
cup.




go to starbucks and ask or go anywhere and ask
you are clueless
 
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keith

Think about this : You've got your cup of superheated McD's coffee

You really do like to *lie*, don't you Rupert. You know as well as I do
that the coffee in question was in *no* way "superheated" (a term that is
very well defined). 180F does not fit *any* definiton of "superheated".
Hot, sure, but that's what the customer (*me*) demands.
in one hand and you are getting into your car. Just as you sit down and
you are carefully moving your superheated
^^^^^^^^^^^-- there's that lie again.
cup of coffee to a place well
away from your genitals some motherfucker rear ends your parked car and
you end up with this unnecessarily hot cup of coffee in your crotch
anyways.

....and according to everythign you've written in the past six months,
"it's George Bush's fault", eh?
Sure you'd probably litigate against the careless driver, but if you had
any sense at all you'd litigate against the ****ers who made coffee so
hot that an incidient beyond your control boiled your bollocks.

SPeak for yourself! I would no longer litigate against the driver, nor
Mackie-D's as long as I was made whole. Litigation is for losers. It
makes everyone poorer, other than the lawyers.
Superficially that case did sound stupid, but when the details did
actually emerge it appears McDs were being practically homicidal.

I would expect this attitude from a slave to the state. Here in the US
some of us ae trying to get people stand on their own feet.
 
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keith

The incredibly stupid individuals are the ones trying to justify their
own stupidity.

Blame *must* be placed. ...elsewhere! Honest people will accept the
blame and assume the *responsibility* for their mistakes. Only the
terminally stupid (and otherwise French) blame others for personal faults.
The vast majority of comments posted to this thread have
done nothing to demonstrate any logic or intelligence. They're only
trying to justify their own ignorance and stupidity, and why they should
blame someone else for their inability to take responsibility for their
own actions!

Agreed! Hot water burns! If you can't deal with it, get an iced latte
from Dn' D. I'm just waiting for a frost-bite suit here.
My mother, and other relatives, taught me when I was very young that hot
things burn. So, no matter where I purchased a hot cup of coffee I was
fully aware it had the capability to burn me and if I spilt it on
myself! It was my fault if I did, not someone else's!

Exactly. However the liberal poofs believe that there is no such thing as
"personal responsibility", whether it be hot water, or raising children.
Water boils at 212F or 100C. So, when you brew a pot of coffee at home
the water that is run over the coffee grounds is initially 212F! Do you
test it and wait until it is 130F before you drink it? I don't! It
would be like drinking piss water at that point. But, I don pour it on
my lap either!
So, if 180F is incredibly stupid for coffee, then it must be
Fahrenheit's fault for devising a temperature scale that indicated 212F
was the boiling point of water!

As I've said in may of these arguments; 180F is a *normal* serving
temperature for coffee. Of course after this crap started we started
seeing stickers on brewers such as "coffee served at hot temperatures". I
think this says it all. ...the illiterate and the stupid.
 
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keith

Ah, but when you bought that 20oz, there were almost certainly
16oz'ers present, and that 20oz may have even been called
"heravyweight" or "hefty" or "supersized".

There are at Mickie-D's too! They even sell 8-ox cups, for some strange
and unkown reason! (it takes 16ox. to even wake up enough to taste the
coffee). BTW, McD's coffee sucks. D-n-D's is barely drinkable.

BTW, a 20oz faming hammer is rather standard at HomeDespot, even 24oz. I
simply can't wait for John Edwards to figure out how dangerous these
places really are!
I'd have no problem if McD (and Dunkin' apparently at that time) were to
say "We serve our coffee hotter than normal so you can enjoy it longer"
or some other such warning that there was an unusual hazard.

It's _hidden_ hazards that I decry.

But he hazard is *not* hidden. I surely hope your mother didn't raise you
to be stupid enough to put *any* coffee cup in your crotch. ...and I
thought you to be the "reasonable man".
 
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keith

What the heck is this obsession with coffee and your crotch ?

If you have to ask this question, you are *NOT* paying attention. GO read
the thread (and links) again. I'm sure you'll figure it out the second
time through.
 
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Wes Newell

Bullshit. At 192'F you would be waiting until
hell freezes over before the coffee was cool enough
to drink. The fact of the matter is that just about
every where you go the coffee is cool enough for at
least small sips as soon as it is poured into your
cup.

Talking about BS, The few times I've drank coffee in th last 40years, I've
always, and I mean always, had to put ice cubes in it to cool it down.
Probably wouldn.t need to if I used cream or milk. But screw those people,
serve it colder so when they add add cream and suger and stir it up it
will be cold.
 
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Rupert Pigott

keith said:
On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 10:54:44 +0100, Rupert Pigott wrote:
[SNIP]
Think about this : You've got your cup of superheated McD's coffee


You really do like to *lie*, don't you Rupert. You know as well as I do

It's called humour. I figure you're attacking it because you actually
have no valid response to the core argument in this post.
that the coffee in question was in *no* way "superheated" (a term that is
very well defined). 180F does not fit *any* definiton of "superheated".
Hot, sure, but that's what the customer (*me*) demands.



^^^^^^^^^^^-- there's that lie again.

Oh blimey ! Humour isn't allowed by decree of Keith.
...and according to everythign you've written in the past six months,
"it's George Bush's fault", eh?

Jeez, that *is* desperate. You managed to combine a an ad hominem
attack, non sequitur and a strawman all in one. I'm betting that
yout post is entirely content free.
SPeak for yourself! I would no longer litigate against the driver, nor
Mackie-D's as long as I was made whole. Litigation is for losers. It
makes everyone poorer, other than the lawyers.

You must be the most tolerant driver I know. Most people take some
kind of action when a collision occurs. Somehow I doubt you get out
of your car and shake hands with them, then pay full whack for the
repairs out of your own pocket.
I would expect this attitude from a slave to the state. Here in the US
some of us ae trying to get people stand on their own feet.

I don't really know why you bothered making a pretence of posting a
resopnse as you didn't tackle the argument I presented at all. The
personal attacks you presented in place of any kind of rational
argument were lame at best. I've heard better come from the lips of
a 5 year old.


Cheers,
Rupert
 
K

keith

keith said:
On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 10:54:44 +0100, Rupert Pigott wrote:
[SNIP]
Think about this : You've got your cup of superheated McD's coffee


You really do like to *lie*, don't you Rupert. You know as well as I do

It's called humour. I figure you're attacking it because you actually
have no valid response to the core argument in this post.

I guess you call a lie "humor", after you're caught. There was no humor
there, not even quotation marks around "superheated".
Oh blimey ! Humour isn't allowed by decree of Keith.

....another lie.
Jeez, that *is* desperate. You managed to combine a an ad hominem
attack, non sequitur and a strawman all in one. I'm betting that yout
post is entirely content free.

Nope, just bringing up the recent posting history as evidence of a
looser-leftie.
You must be the most tolerant driver I know. Most people take some kind
of action when a collision occurs. Somehow I doubt you get out of your
car and shake hands with them, then pay full whack for the repairs out
of your own pocket.

Nope, I do what all reasonable people do. Swap insurance cards and move
on. ...no reason for road-rage. ...no reason to call in the
ambulance-chasers.
I don't really know why you bothered making a pretence of posting a
resopnse as you didn't tackle the argument I presented at all. The
personal attacks you presented in place of any kind of rational argument
were lame at best. I've heard better come from the lips of a 5 year old.

My, you lefty-loosers do like to lie.
 

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