Microsoft Security Essentials (BETA)

[Randy Knobloch]

<canned>
Antivirus definitions: 1.61.411.0
Antispyware definitions: 1.61.411.0
Microsoft Security Essentials Version: 1.0.1407.0
Antimalware Client Version: 2.0.5612.0
Engine Version: 1.1.4803.0
http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/
Update using the program's updater or manually download MSE/MSAM definitions from http://support.microsoft.com/kb/971606
</canned>

 

[gene]

<canned>
Antivirus definitions: 1.61.411.0
Antispyware definitions: 1.61.411.0
Microsoft Security Essentials Version: 1.0.1407.0
Antimalware Client Version: 2.0.5612.0
Engine Version: 1.1.4803.0
http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/
Update using the program's updater or manually download MSE/MSAM definitions from http://support.microsoft.com/kb/971606
</canned>

32mb download for updated definitions??

Gene

 

[Randy Knobloch]

32mb download for updated definitions??

Posting "as-is" Gene, not running MSE.
Have a look at http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/mseupdate/threads

 

[gene]

Wasn't criticizing you, Randy, just noting with surprise such a large
definitions update. Thanks for posting the notice.

Gene

 

[Randy Knobloch]

Wasn't criticizing you, Randy, just noting with surprise such a large
definitions update. Thanks for posting the notice.

Not a problem, Gene - these things will be an issue until MSE comes out of Beta, if not after that.
We shall see.
Good luck with it, I'm always around and know where the breaking info is and will post back here
as it happens.

Regards,

 

[Stephen Boots MVP-Windows Live]

32 megs would be a full definition set, not just an update, I suspect.
-steve

 

[Bill Sanderson]

I believe the last MSE update I saw was quite small- 512 k or so.
Definitions differ considerably--and the ones at the portal or specific
download locations are going to be updates which take you from an initial
product install to fully current for both definitions and engine--and they
will be large. Definition updates via update within the product or AU or WU
will often be incremental and much smaller.

 

[Bill Sanderson]

Agreed--and probably an engine update as well.

32 megs would be a full definition set, not just an update, I suspect.
-steve

 

[robinb]

amazing mine missed 4 updates on xp pro sp3
I had to do a manual update through the program
I am hoping ms sends out another beta version that fixes all the problems
prior to releasing the finished one
robin

 

[Stu]

I`m sure they will in their enevitable style -ten betas and several thousand
MSE NG posts later. I know, I know you shouldn`t have more than one AV
application installed on yer system before anyone posts. Today I have
confirmed what I suspected, MSE to be quite intolerant of any third party
security software already installed on your system. Given it is a freebie
and, therefore, likely a attract a broad spectrum of users, that is not a
good approach I would have thought. Whatever happened to user friendly
applications? Maybe you and Bill S won`t be saying goodbye to Jack as soon
as you think

Keep truckin` lovely lady.

Stu

 

[Stu]

Stu said: "I`m sure they will in their enevitable style -ten betas and
several thousand MSE NG posts later".

What I meant to add was: "Do you ever get the feeling there are those of us
who are being used a Guinea pigs as part of a bigger picture"?

Stu

 

[Stephen Boots MVP-Windows Live]

Real time antivirus protection should never be running at the same
time as any other real time antivirus program. This is true of *all*
real-time antivirus protection which monitors processes and scans
files as they load into memory or write to disk.
-steve

 

[Stu]

Indeed they should not and I do not. My point was even with realtime disabled
MSE won`t install on my system without a complete uninstall of the software
concerned. Thats like saying. "Here`s the deal guys. You can try our freebie
software BUT you must `get rid of` anything the MSE installer thinks you
shouldn`t have first". Give me a break. If that isn`t an example of MS
dominence I don`t know what is.

Stu

 

[robinb]

robin waves to stephen
I am the same robin on MSE beta forum
robin

 

[robinb]

MSE is doing a weird thing when superantispyware does a scan
when it scans- MSE shuts down the residential shield and when it finishes
scanning it pops backup
weird
robin

 

[Bill Sanderson]

What software is involved? I haven't tested this in any significant way,
but I'm clear that MSE will require uninstall of other Microsoft antimalware
software.

Are you saying that it is requiring uninstall of some specific third-party
software? I can imagine this might be the case if that software includes
disabling, for example, Windows Defender as part of its functionality. I
suspect that there are specific technical reasons for any such requirements.

 

[Stephen Boots MVP-Windows Live]

It is crashing, based on what was reported in the forum - apparently
due to a conflict.
-steve

 

[Stephen Boots MVP-Windows Live]

MSE recommends that you uninstall all other antivirus software, It
does not force you to. If you choose to ignore that, you do so at your
own risk as real time protection from more than one program working at
that level of the file system can cause performance issues, system
instability, and impact both (or all) program's capability to protect
the system effectively as they fight for dominence or break each
other's processes.
-steve

 

[Stephen Boots MVP-Windows Live]

Real time antivirus protection should never be running at the same
time as any other real time antivirus program. This is true of *all*
real-time antivirus protection which monitors processes and scans
files as they load into memory or write to disk.
-steve

 

[robinb]

btw I emailed nick at superantispyware and this was his reply

It's likely Microsoft's product trying to be "smart" and causing a problem
when our real-time is active. We will look into it.
robin