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Mike Brannigan said:
Two points

1. if the retail price has not changed ("one red cent" as you state) then
in
fact it has decreased in real terms while the functionality etc has bee
ever
increasing.
The functionality has not increased, unless you are saying that writing
service
packs is increasing functionality, which is wrong as much as it is a fix.
Name
some beneficial functionalities that have been added other than massive
security
fixes that have been introduced twice now. In fact SP2 broke my Word 2003,
and MS response to me was "Case Closed". I didn't get my red cents worth
from
that either as much as less functionality for something paid for to have a
(certain)
function; that is an increase of profits through less support.

I assume you have actually used a previous version of Windows ?
If not maybe some research for you is in order to see the advancements in
Windows functionality since Windows in 1983
I cannot comment on your specific case on Word.

2. The costs of developing software have certainly not decreased as the
products have increased in complexity and scope.
Uh Huh,Give me a break! Tell that to the developers who were prevalent
in the US and are now more so in India; the phone support centers are all
virtually off-shored, and we know how money is saved there. Why am I not
seeing the savings from that? Why has the support gone down?

Why do you think we off shore some of our development work ? Because it is
incredible expensive. Hence my point.
We have already discussed that the real price of Windows has come down in
real terms and any cost saving we can make in development can then be spent
elsewhere.



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Mike Brannigan said:
Two points

1. if the retail price has not changed ("one red cent" as you state) then
in
fact it has decreased in real terms while the functionality etc has bee
ever
increasing.

The functionality has not increased, unless you are saying that writing
service packs is increasing functionality, which is wrong as much as it is a
fix. Name some beneficial functionalities that have been added other than
massive security fixes that have been introduced twice now. In fact SP2
broke my Word 2003, and MS response to me was "Case Closed". I didn't get my
red cents worth from that either as much as less functionality for something
paid for to have a (certain) function; that is an increase of profits
through less support.
2. The costs of developing software have certainly not decreased as the
products have increased in complexity and scope.

Uh Huh,Give me a break! Tell that to the developers who were prevalent in
the US and are now more so in India; the phone support centers are all
virtually off-shored, and we know how money is saved there. Why am I not
seeing the savings from that? Why has the support gone down?
 
""Why do you think we off shore some of our development work ?
Because it is incredible expensive""

By your comment are you saying that off-shoring 'some' of
Microsoft's development work was a a purely financial decision.
If that's the case, then every developer within Microsoft has reason
to worry about his/her future with the company.

The problem with outsourcing is the people who decide and implement
it are NEVER subjected to it themselves. When Dell, HP, Microsoft &
all the others open Management centers in Bangalore, India I might
possibly accept the "Cost Savings" mantra.
 
Mike Brannigan said:
I assume you have actually used a previous version of Windows ?
If not maybe some research for you is in order to see the advancements in
Windows functionality since Windows in 1983

Don't know why you replied to yourself, or changed how you reply now, but anyway:

Yes, I have used everything from Windows 3.1 up unto now. But you don't make sense, Profits were made enormously on all the previous distros of Windows, which then should in turn resulted in cheaper prices, as well as refining development costs (which I know has happened) through trial and error through those distros. We all know the reason why it is so expensive, it is that MS controls over 95% of the market, so they feel no obligation to lower profits, since that % can give them so much more. You'd think the consumer break might fall into this now that they control so much, but apparently that is still not enough.
I cannot comment on your specific case on Word.

Of course not, you feel no obligation other than to defend the MS Reich, whether it screws up or not. These are the very reasons why I use two installations of my OS on the same PC, because it is the only way to get certain functionality. I can tell you the initial support was horrendous, and the tech was obviously scripting, he couldn't follow what I was saying (this was an online chat for SP2). If you want to review that conversation, I still have it, it is kind of funny too.

After that, I was told that a rep from MS would contact me by email. I waited almost 7 weeks before I wrote to see what was up. A woman called me personally to apologize, and I reviewed the errors with her. I then got an email that said they would work on it. I check back a month later, and they stated the case closed because I didn't check my mail and reply within 3 days (note they had the gall to never reply intitially)! I reopened the case, and got this vicious cycle all over again, and then again. They stated that since I didn't reply within their timeframe, that the case was resolved! Hell, it never was resolved, and they even sent me a KB article that simply describes the error, without resolution, how is that resolved?!

I paid for something I am supposed to use, and they now don't even reply to reopening the case. Maybe this bullcrap limit on email support is used up, but it is telling of the kind of support I get though MS demands draconian usage of their products! I doubt they will ever reply, and I feel I should be compensated for something I cannot use with SP2, since I paid big money for the Office suite.
Why do you think we off shore some of our development work ? Because it is
incredible expensive. Hence my point.
We have already discussed that the real price of Windows has come down in
real terms and any cost saving we can make in development can then be spent
elsewhere.

It has not come down, no matter the semantics you place on it. Real money is still being paid for the product, regardless of how you put it. MS has made enormous profits through their development of their products, while reducing their costs through means that are saving them personel expenses. They sure were making big bucks before they offshored, and to say they are not making even more now, is wrong since development costs would go down off-shoring.

I think you speak from the heart of profit sharing!
 
Mike said:
I assume you have actually used a previous version of Windows ?
If not maybe some research for you is in order to see the advancements in
Windows functionality since Windows in 1983
I cannot comment on your specific case on Word.





Why do you think we off shore some of our development work ? Because it is
incredible expensive. Hence my point.
We have already discussed that the real price of Windows has come down in
real terms and any cost saving we can make in development can then be spent
elsewhere.

I wish Microsoft would hire people that can actually communicate in English.

So what's your real name Mike, Shrinivas Bhashkhar Vishnuparamsala Madhu
Prem?

Namaste`

Steve
 
Steve N. said:
I wish Microsoft would hire people that can actually communicate in
English.

So what's your real name Mike, Shrinivas Bhashkhar Vishnuparamsala Madhu
Prem?

Namaste`

Steve

What exactly is your point Steve ?
I do use my real name in these groups as I am required to do by our
corporate policy for full time employee posting to public newsgroups.
If you do not have something constructive to add to the thread please
refrain from posting.
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Mike? Hello?
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Alias said:
And my check for doing this is coming when? Why should I "work with you"
if I don't get paid? Normal people get paid when they work. Why can't MS
get people they pay to do their testing for them, not the people who keep
MS in business in the first place!

We do pay our internal testers. We make certain products available for
external testing as a voluntary process.
I assume you have looked at the link about WGA and the demo etc and seen
that it the moment you are not required to use it.
We have rolled this out elsewhere and may indeed roll out globally and
potentially mandatory.

You have obviously misunderstood my use of the phrase "work with us" - if
you have a problem and you cal support for assistance then we expect you to
work the problem through with us (work with us/ co-operate etc). This is
not the same as working for us as paid employee.


to install the ActiveX control. <<,

Unless, of course, the program glitches and thinks my OS is not legit.
Then I have to speak to someone in India who has the power to say yes or
no to my being able to download updates.

Why mention India - our call centers are located in many places and you will
be handled by all of them in the same way irrespective of physical location.
As a paying customer, it is a degrading insult to be put in that position.
Get the bad PR part, Mike? I am not just trying to be argumentative. I am
trying "to work with you", not against you and I firmly believe the
authentication process that's unfolding will do great harm to Microsoft's
image and does not reflect kindly to their attitutude towards paying
customers to administer assume guilt until proven innocent type software
tests, nor will it stop the pirates, thieves (causal or otherwise) and
crackers.
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Utiliza

I'm sorry but I disagree - there are procedures in place in the event of a
report of non genuine windows by the checks.
The actual process of WGA authentication once done will be transparent in
future to the end users.
We are doing this to make access to our additional downloads only to those
who pay for the product. (This is for your benefit)

There is little else to discuss on this subject with you - your position is
clear, and I have done what I can to address your questions.

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Alias said:
Mike? Hello?

I have posted my closing comments to you.
There is little more to say on this topic.
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Mike said:
What exactly is your point Steve ?
I do use my real name in these groups as I am required to do by our
corporate policy for full time employee posting to public newsgroups.
If you do not have something constructive to add to the thread please
refrain from posting.

Your composition was kind of poor English.
I know you use your real name, it was a joke in reference to offshoring
tech support to India. I know you're speaking for Microsoft, which is
fine, but don't you have a sense of humor? No offence intended.

And "Namaste`" is a Hindu greeting roughly translating to "I honor the
light within you."

Steve
 
Forgive my jumping in here, but I've had a similar problem. I tried
validating on your beta site and got the message:

Code not available. The validation code could not be obtained. ... you may
be running an unsupported operating system ... etc. [Error code: 0x80070002]

I am the MSDNAA coordinator for Missouri Southern, and my version of
XP-Pro-withSP2 is from our MSDNAA license, and so, presumably, legitimate.
What should I do?

Thanks.

PS: The antispyware does seem to work admirably despite the validation
problem.
 
As the MSDNAA coordinator here at Missouri SOuthern, my copies of MS software
are all right out of the MSDNAA license for operating systems and development
products. So I was surprised when the validation process returned this error:

Code not available. The validation code could not be obtained. ... you may
be running an unsupported operating system ... etc. [Error code: 0x80070002]

What do you recommend I do? BTW, the AntiSpyWare beta does eseem to work
admirably, despite the validation problem.

Thanks,
S
 
In the event of you having an issue (at this time with WGA validation)
Have a look at the FAQ
http://www.microsoft.com/genuine/downloads/FAQ.aspx?displaylang=en
This conatins the following question as well as other that may help
Q.
What should I do if I have a problem with the validation process?



A.
If you cannot resolve your problem using this FAQ, then please use the
Contact Us link at the bottom of Microsoft Download Center pages to request
additional assistance.



which leads to

Contact Us


Product Support

Contact technical support; ask a product question, report a bug or send
comments about technical support. Visit the Customer Service Guide for
non-technical assistance with product purchases, subscriptions, online
services, events, training courses, corporate sales, piracy issues and more.

Note: Since Windows Genuine Advantage (WGA) is in Beta mode, we do not
provide technical support for it. Please "opt-out" at this time if you are
having technical difficulties.


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Stephen Schiavo said:
As the MSDNAA coordinator here at Missouri SOuthern, my copies of MS
software
are all right out of the MSDNAA license for operating systems and
development
products. So I was surprised when the validation process returned this
error:

Code not available. The validation code could not be obtained. ... you
may
be running an unsupported operating system ... etc. [Error code:
0x80070002]

What do you recommend I do? BTW, the AntiSpyWare beta does eseem to work
admirably, despite the validation problem.

Thanks,
S

Mike Brannigan said:
Call Microsoft Product Support to discuss you possible invalid XP
license.

Just to clarify - how did you acquire your license for Window XP ?

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in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:
Note: Since Windows Genuine Advantage (WGA) is in Beta mode, we do not
provide technical support for it. Please "opt-out" at this time if you are
having technical difficulties.

Beautiful! "Don't tell us about problems until after we've removed
the opt-out option."
 
I received a message saying that Microsoft could not complete the validation
of my installation of Windows XP Pro SP2. Here is my situation. I purchased
my computer (an HP Pavilion A650y) from an authorized dealer
(Computers4sure.com). Like many such owners, I never received my "Windows XP
Pro" installation manual or disks. Therefore I chose the option to "use an
alternative method" to determine the validity of my license. The downloaded
software that was used to determine the validity of my installation came back
with the following:

OS Version: Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 2
Manufacturer: HP Pavilion 061
Model: D7223H-ABA A650Y
PID: 5xxx4-OEM-0xxxxx3-0xxx6
(I have removed some of the numbers in the PID because I am not sure if we
are allowed to post them here.)

Microsoft needs to get their crapolla in a pile before they start making
consumers doubt the credibility of their resellers and merchants and also
making the consumer wonder if they are going to be shut out of Windows
updates. This is just sickening. I personally will be filing a complaint with
my state's Attorney General, the BBB and the FTC. My words will most likely
fall on deaf ears, but just maybe if there are enough people like me out
there, someone will light a fire under Microsoft's backside.
 
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