metal cases

[kony]

Wrong with the cheaper cases and the technical
term for your 4 is 'pathetically inadequate sample'

No Rod, it is extremely rare to find ANY case that makes a
very large % contact. Even on the best example you might
have to slop a few ounces of thermal compound on the sides
of the drive or use thick pads.

 

[Rod Speed]

No Rod,

We'll see, gutless...

it is extremely rare to find ANY case that makes a very large % contact.

That comment was clearly about cases that have ANY metal to metal
contact. Some dont, they have rubber mounts, not metal to metal contact.

Even on the best example you might have to slop a few ounces
of thermal compound on the sides of the drive or use thick pads.

Not a ****ing clue, as always.

Have fun explaining how come the metal drive bay stack
is the SAME temp as the drive frame in that area.

 

[kony]

We'll see, gutless...


That comment was clearly about cases that have ANY metal to metal
contact. Some dont, they have rubber mounts, not metal to metal contact.

I'm talking about cases with only metal-metal contact too,
the % contact is very very low, and what little of it there
is, a large % of that is painted but barely flat, not
machined flat as right over the screw holes.

Not a ****ing clue, as always.

Have fun explaining how come the metal drive bay stack
is the SAME temp as the drive frame in that area.

It isn't.

Have fun explaining why you don't realize this.

 

[Rod Speed]

I'm talking about cases with only metal-metal contact too,

Irrelevant to what we were discussing there.

the % contact is very very low, and what little of it
there is, a large % of that is painted but barely flat,
not machined flat as right over the screw holes.

Have fun explaining how come the metal drive bay stack
is the SAME temp as the drive frame in that area.

It isn't.

It is.

 

[Rod Speed]

I'm talking about cases with only metal-metal
contact too, the % contact is very very low,

Wrong when the drive is screwed into the metal drive bay stack properly.

That ends up with more metal to metal contact than you
get with a TO-220 power transistor and thats fine to
dissipate the sorts of power that hard drives dissipate.

and what little of it there is, a large % of that is painted but
barely flat, not machined flat as right over the screw holes.

Doesnt need to be. Where the screws go amounts
to more in total than you get with a TO-220.

Keep desperately digging, you'll be out in china any day now, AGAIN.

 

[kony]

Wrong when the drive is screwed into the metal drive bay stack properly.

No, there's no "proper" way that magically makes two
non-planar surfaces melt together into perfectly parallel
ones.

That ends up with more metal to metal contact than you
get with a TO-220 power transistor and thats fine to
dissipate the sorts of power that hard drives dissipate.

If the screw holes are machined, you may indeed get more
total contact area. The remaining problem is heat density,
with the TO-220 you have a short relatively more efficient
path to 'sink away the heat, while with a HDD frame, having
a small % of the TOTAL area sunk, does very poorly. It's
not actual surface area that counts, it's % and thermal
gradient. Well there's also that the drive bay metal
itself is far too thin to be a good 'sink too, and that is
why you'd notice even a little bit of warming in the area,
because it's such a poor conductor that the heat isn't
spread out effectively.

Further, this does practically nothing to cool any PCB chips
not 'sunk to the drive frame.

 

[Rod Speed]

On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 08:07:36 +1000, "Rod Speed"

No, there's no "proper" way that magically makes two non-planar surfaces

You aint established that they are non planar, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.

melt together into perfectly parallel ones.

Dont need to be 'perfectly parallel' to do better than % contact
is very very low, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.

If the screw holes are machined, you
may indeed get more total contact area.

So your original claim that you carefully deleted from the quoting and I have
restore is clearly just plain wrong, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.

The remaining problem is heat density,

Nope, not with the hard drive frame.

with the TO-220 you have a short relatively more efficient
path to 'sink away the heat, while with a HDD frame, having
a small % of the TOTAL area sunk, does very poorly.

The total is completely irrelevant to the area that the heat
conducts thru fine, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.

It's not actual surface area that counts, it's %

Wrong, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.

and thermal gradient.

Wrong again with hard drives.

Well there's also that the drive bay metal
itself is far too thin to be a good 'sink too,

The thickness is completely irrelevant, its the increase surface
area that matters, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.

and that is why you'd notice even a little bit of warming
in the area, because it's such a poor conductor that the
heat isn't spread out effectively.

Have fun explaining how come the entire drive bay stack
metal is equally warm, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.

Further, this does practically nothing to cool
any PCB chips not 'sunk to the drive frame.

Irrelevant when their temp is fine. What matters is getting
rid of the 10W or so thats being dissipated in the drive.

 

[kony]

On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 08:51:41 +1000, "Rod Speed"

..

Have fun explaining how come the entire drive bay stack
metal is equally warm, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.

It's not equally warm. Do you ever pretend to test these
grand theories you dribble out?

 

[Rod Speed]

It's not equally warm.

Fraid so.

Do you ever pretend to test these grand theories you dribble out?

Completely trivial to test that, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.

 

[Noozer]

On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 08:51:41 +1000, "Rod Speed"

.

It's not equally warm. Do you ever pretend to test these
grand theories you dribble out?

I don't understand why anyone even bothers to argue with him...

 

[WindsorFox]

Bullshit.

You are 10000% wrong and are 10000% clueless apparently. Moreso
than on tube powered audio amps. I still have the hard drives, care for
a picture? Probably not because it would show the shoulder around the
screw hole higher than the rest of the drive therefore proving you
wrong. Again.

Fraid so, there are plenty of cases that have
proper metal contact in the drive bay stack.

Some do, most do not. But as stated even if they do MOST drives have
a raised shoulder around the screw hole.

You should let go of your dick before you end up completely blind.



Pity about all the rest.

Name one. Send a picture. It's in the distinct minority.

But doesnt have metal to metal contact, stupid.

I love it when the person who is incorrect makes a misstatement and
then calls someone else stupid. The Lian Li aluminum case does have
metal to metal contact with all drives in the rack. It came with thumb
screws to mount them. It does not get as warm because the hard drives
have.... A RAISED SHOULDER AROUND THE SCREW HOLES. There by making it
easily cooled with the case fans.


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[WindsorFox]

Wrong with the cheaper cases and the technical
term for your 4 is 'pathetically inadequate sample'

That is wrong again. You just can't stop while you were only a
little behind. I have a Nzxt Lexa, no metal contact. I have a Antec
Sonata, no metal contact. ALL *good* cases that are intended for RAID
systems that make issue with noise will have no metal contact between
drives and the rack. The cheap POS $19.99 case with red and blue LEDs
and a handle on top, it has drives screwed directly to the rack. The
only reason the Lian Li does, is it is old and made before the
anti-noise revolution. It's not 1980 anymore pops.

--
I used to have abs. Now, I've just got ab.
One big ol' Ab. - BigSkiff www.titanspot.com

Pyongyang sounds more like the sound effect an ACME catapult makes
as it goes off at precisely the wrong moment for Wile E. Coyote. -
Cadbury Moose

 

[WindsorFox]

Nope, the fans do most of that.

There is no nope here. If the case is made of aluminum it CAN keep
the inside cooler. I have written reviews on numerous cases and done
several tests involving inside air temps of a system where the only
difference was the case. Wrong yet again, because an all aluminum Lian
Li case did infact have a cooler inside the case temp than a part steel
part plastic case. I know that for a fact, I did the work myself on the
review.

--
I used to have abs. Now, I've just got ab.
One big ol' Ab. - BigSkiff www.titanspot.com

Pyongyang sounds more like the sound effect an ACME catapult makes
as it goes off at precisely the wrong moment for Wile E. Coyote. -
Cadbury Moose

 

[WindsorFox]

We'll see, gutless...


That comment was clearly about cases that have ANY metal to metal
contact. Some dont, they have rubber mounts, not metal to metal contact.


Not a ****ing clue, as always.

Have fun explaining how come the metal drive bay stack
is the SAME temp as the drive frame in that area.

Your thermometer is inaccurate and or you'd say anything to
continue to try and be right. At this point I doubt anything you say.

--
I used to have abs. Now, I've just got ab.
One big ol' Ab. - BigSkiff www.titanspot.com

Pyongyang sounds more like the sound effect an ACME catapult makes
as it goes off at precisely the wrong moment for Wile E. Coyote. -
Cadbury Moose

 

[WindsorFox]

Wrong when the drive is screwed into the metal drive bay stack properly.

All over again. Most hard drives are raised around the screw hole
of three sitting here they all are.

That ends up with more metal to metal contact than you
get with a TO-220 power transistor and thats fine to
dissipate the sorts of power that hard drives dissipate.


Doesnt need to be. Where the screws go amounts
to more in total than you get with a TO-220.

Keep desperately digging, you'll be out in china any day now, AGAIN.

The only one digging is you pops. You're wrong on this one.


--
I used to have abs. Now, I've just got ab.
One big ol' Ab. - BigSkiff www.titanspot.com

Pyongyang sounds more like the sound effect an ACME catapult makes
as it goes off at precisely the wrong moment for Wile E. Coyote. -
Cadbury Moose

 

[WindsorFox]

You aint established that they are non planar, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.


Dont need to be 'perfectly parallel' to do better than % contact
is very very low, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.



So your original claim that you carefully deleted from the quoting and I have
restore is clearly just plain wrong, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.


Nope, not with the hard drive frame.


The total is completely irrelevant to the area that the heat
conducts thru fine, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.


Wrong, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.


Wrong again with hard drives.


The thickness is completely irrelevant, its the increase surface
area that matters, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.

Both of us did.

Have fun explaining how come the entire drive bay stack
metal is equally warm, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.

Your thermometer is inaccurate or you are lying.

Irrelevant when their temp is fine. What matters is getting
rid of the 10W or so thats being dissipated in the drive.

--
I used to have abs. Now, I've just got ab.
One big ol' Ab. - BigSkiff www.titanspot.com

Pyongyang sounds more like the sound effect an ACME catapult makes
as it goes off at precisely the wrong moment for Wile E. Coyote. -
Cadbury Moose

 

[WindsorFox]

Fraid so.


Completely trivial to test that, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.

Only completely trivial to *you* when it would prove *you* wrong.

--
I used to have abs. Now, I've just got ab.
One big ol' Ab. - BigSkiff www.titanspot.com

Pyongyang sounds more like the sound effect an ACME catapult makes
as it goes off at precisely the wrong moment for Wile E. Coyote. -
Cadbury Moose

 

[xModem]

That is wrong again. You just can't stop while you were only a
little behind. I have a Nzxt Lexa, no metal contact. I have a Antec
Sonata, no metal contact. ALL *good* cases that are intended for RAID
systems that make issue with noise will have no metal contact between
drives and the rack. The cheap POS $19.99 case with red and blue LEDs
and a handle on top, it has drives screwed directly to the rack. The
only reason the Lian Li does, is it is old and made before the
anti-noise revolution. It's not 1980 anymore pops.

Why go to all the trouble of validating your claim with FACTS?
It's much easier to just paste "Never could bullshit its way...."

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed wrote

You are 10000% wrong and are 10000% clueless apparently.

Any 2 year old could hyperventilate more convincingly than that pathetic effort.

Moreso than on tube powered audio amps.

They are completely irrelevant to hard drives.

I still have the hard drives, care for a picture?

I never said that SOME cases dont have RUBBER MOUNTS,
I JUST said that your MOST claim is just plain wrong.

Probably not because it would show the shoulder around the screw hole higher
than the rest of the drive therefore proving you wrong. Again.

Just another of your pathetic little pig ignorant drug crazed fantasys.

With cases with metal to metal contact, with drives that do
have a raised area around the screw hole, the total metal
to metal contact area will still be more than you get with
a TO-220 case, and that is plenty to conduct away the
sort of power that a modern hard drive dissipates.

Some do, most do not.

You've got that backwards given that the basic cases
sell in much bigger volume than the fancy expensive
cases that are designed to eliminate the sort of case
resonance that can happen with multiple hard drives,
because **** all of the cheap cases are intended to
have more than one hard drive used in them.

But as stated even if they do MOST drives have
a raised shoulder around the screw hole.

Wrong again with the mass market drives sold in the biggest volume.

Name one. Send a picture.

The absolute vast bulk of the low end no name cases.

It's in the distinct minority.

Pig ignorant drivel when they sell in VASTLY bigger volume
than the expensive brand name cases like Lian Li etc.

I love it when the person who is incorrect makes a misstatement and then calls
someone else stupid. The Lian Li aluminum case does have metal to metal
contact with all drives in the rack. It came with thumb screws to mount them.

Thats the problem, stupid, it doesnt have normal screws.

It does not get as warm because the hard drives have.... A RAISED SHOULDER
AROUND THE SCREW HOLES.

PITY THAT MOST OF THE MASS MARKET DRIVES DONT.

There by making it easily cooled with the case fans.

Nothing like what is seen with most hard drives in no name cases.

Done like a dinner, as always.

 

[Rod Speed]

All over again. Most hard drives are raised around the screw hole

Wrong, as always.

of three sitting here they all are.

The technical term for that is 'pathetically inadequate sample'

The only one digging is you pops. You're wrong on this one.

Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland, child.