Low Virtual Memory Messages

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Guest

In Win XP I have been receiving messages stating that my virtual memory
minimum is too low and that windows is increasing the size of my virtual
memory paging file. It suggests that some applications may be denied use.

I recently downloaded IExplorer newest version. Both Word and IExplorer have
been loading very, very slowly and sometimes timing out -- sending error
messages to Microsoft.

I have checked the virtual memory settings (can't remember where I found
them) and they were within the range suggested. I have performed Network
Diagnostics and found that Network Adapters and IP Address both failed (even
though I have an IP address listed in my computer somewhere).

When I copy and paste from IExplorer into Word, it often takes a very long
time to paste in or will not paste in at all, forcing me to close Word.

What can be done to set the virtual memory to accommodate IExplorer and not
take away memory from other applications?

Thank you for any help you can offer.
 
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Gerry

Try Ctrl+Alt+Delete to select Task Manager and click the Performance
Tab. Under Commit Charge what is the Total, the Limit and the Peak?

How large is your hard disk and how much free space. Right click on
your C drive in Windows and select Properties to get this information.

What is your CPU processor speed? How much RAM memory? Right click on
your My Computer icon on your Desktop and select Properties to get
this information.

Select Start, All Programs, Accessories, System Tools, Disk CleanUp to
Empty your Recycle Bin and Remove Temporary Internet Files. Also
select Start, All Programs, accessories, System Tools, Disk CleanUp,
More Options, System Restore and remove all but the latest System
Restore point. Run Disk Defragmenter.

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Hope this helps.

Gerry
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FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
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Guest

Thank you for your suggestions.
1. Commit Charge: Total 1,527,688; Limit 1,905,448; Peak 1,815,796
2. Hard Disk: 2 GB
Used = 18.7 GB/ Free = 52.6 GB
3. Ram: 2.39GHz--512 of Ram
4. I ran Disk Cleanup but did not remove Temp Sync Files (37,204 KB) or
Web/Client/Publisher Temp Files (5,920 KB). This took a long time to load
and run.
5. Recycle Bin emptied.
6. Ran Disk Defrag yesterday and was still clean showing 73% free space.
7. Did System Restore to today--last date shown.
8. I reset Paging File Size from 768-1536 to 768-2000. The space available
was 55,306 MB with 1,376 MB currently allocated.

I cannot copy from I Explorer and past into a Word document because the
hourglass never goes away and I must use Ctrl/Alt/Delete to shut down Word.
I should have enough memory.

Do you have any other suggestions?

Thank you. PPSTeach
 
G

Guest

Thank you. I reset the limit from 1536 to 2000 but I have not seen any change.
PPSTeach
 
J

Jim

PPSTeach said:
Thank you for your suggestions.
1. Commit Charge: Total 1,527,688; Limit 1,905,448; Peak 1,815,796
2. Hard Disk: 2 GB
Used = 18.7 GB/ Free = 52.6 GB
3. Ram: 2.39GHz--512 of Ram
4. I ran Disk Cleanup but did not remove Temp Sync Files (37,204 KB) or
Web/Client/Publisher Temp Files (5,920 KB). This took a long time to load
and run.
5. Recycle Bin emptied.
6. Ran Disk Defrag yesterday and was still clean showing 73% free space.
7. Did System Restore to today--last date shown.
8. I reset Paging File Size from 768-1536 to 768-2000. The space
available
was 55,306 MB with 1,376 MB currently allocated.

I cannot copy from I Explorer and past into a Word document because the
hourglass never goes away and I must use Ctrl/Alt/Delete to shut down
Word.
I should have enough memory.

Do you have any other suggestions?

Thank you. PPSTeach
2000 is a little close for comfort. I am not certain how XP handles a case
where the commit charge is so close to the
size of the pagefile.
By the way, your fear about Ie taking memory away from other applications is
unfounded. IE might steal some RAM, but
everybody gets 4GB of virtual memory (less the part remove to map the
system).
The proper setting for the pagefile is "system managed".
Jim
 
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Gerry

Do you shutdown the computer after use or leave on 24/7?

The Commit Charge Peak is very high. What memory hungry programmes are
you using? Party those incorporating Undo features?

Are you using any old 16 bit programmes?

Are using Adobe Acrobat Reader?

You said you did not remove Temp Sync Files. What programme are you
using to creeate these Temporary Files?

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Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
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Daave

PPSTeach said:
4. I ran Disk Cleanup but did not remove Temp Sync Files (37,204 KB)
or Web/Client/Publisher Temp Files (5,920 KB). This took a long time
to load and run.

Why keep 43 MB of temp files?

And how is your pagefile configured? Almost always, it's best to let
Windows manage it.

See:

http://www.aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.php

And while you are viewing Task Manager, what seems to be eating up the
most RAM? Does it look like you are running lots of unneeded programs?

Do you have the same problems with Word if IE is *not* running? Have you
tried running IE in "No Add-ons" mode? For more info on IE7, see:

http://www.ie-vista.com/known_issues.html

Finally, what is the malware status of your PC?
 
G

Guest

Gerry:
Thanks for your reply. I have no idea what the Commit Charge Peak means but
I do leave my computer on most of the time. The only programs I have are I
Explorer, Firefox (rarely used), AOL, Microsoft Office Word XP, Excel (which
I never use), power point, and mail programs. I also use Norton and SpyBot.
I'm not sure if any of these are hungry programs. And I'm not sure if I use
any old 16-bit programs but the computer is relatively new. What did you
mean "party those incorporating Undo features"?

Yes, I use Acrobat Reader and I don't know which programs I use to create
temporary files other than I Explorer or AOL. Any other suggestions?
 
G

Guest

Thank you for your comments and suggested sites. I have visited them and
will read through the information completely. Both sites have good
information although some is beyone my limited knowledge of computers!

I didn't know if the Temp Sync Files or the Web/client/Publisher Temp files
could be deleted. If they are not needed, I can delete them also. I think
Windows is configuring the pagefile because I have received messages that
since the virtual memory is low, Windows is taking some memory from other
programs that might not be available..

I'm not sure what you mean when you say 'malware status'. I use Norton
(Basic and Internet Security) and Spybot if that is what you mean.

I found a place that helped me display the virtual memory on the Task
Manager window. The following were the largest numbers:
ccSveHst (26,773), iexplore (65,165), mim (13,684), SpywareBot (22,292), AOL
(11,672 + 12,328 + 8,204), aim6 (14,700), Appsvc32 (17,000), explorer
(16,140), svchost (15,640 + 2,000 + 3,285), DSAgnt (9,160), and WINlogon
(5,952). Do these mean anything to you? Is the memory they are using
excessive? How can I change it?

I will read and attempt to run IE in "no Add-on's" mode to see if this
helps. In the meantime, do you have any other suggestions?

Thank you. PPSTeach
 
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Gerry

The Article in this link contains a very detailed explanation of Virtual
Memory:
http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm

Writing to and reading from RAM memory is much quicker than Virtual
memory ( the pagefile on your hard disk). This means you suffer a drop
in system performance if your system starts to write and read Virtual
Memory a lot. It becomes apparent that this is happening if the Total
and / or Peak figures under Commit Charge in Task Manager approachs the
Limit. There is always a certain amount of use of Virtual Memory but the
objective if you want to ensure good performance is to measure use of
virtual memory (pagefile usage). You can use PageFileMon a small utility
referred to in the link above.

It is apparent from the figures you have provided above that you have a
problem as the Peak is close to the Limit. Even resetting the pagefile
to 768-2000 is not resolving the problem, although it does help. My
questions were directed towards ascertaining why the demands for memory
are so high.

Most of your listed programmes are not obvious culprits. I am not sure
about AOL. Norton can have quite a large footprint and is not popular
with those of us who are aware of it. It is easily replaced on a Home
Computer with any number of Anti-Virus programmes. I use AVG 7.5 (Free)
for this very reason.
http://free.grisoft.com/doc/download-free-anti-virus/us/frt/0

Leaving your computer on 24/7 is not such a good idea. Whilst memory
leaks are uncommon it means that if you have a programme with one it
takes memory in ever increasing amounts and does not return it to the
system after use. There are reports of a problem with Adobe Acrobat
Reader. What version do you have? Upgrading to the latest version 8.1
may help.
http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html

Otherwise many users who only need a PDF reader have turned to Foxit as
it is less resource hungry. If you want to edit PD files, however, you
need Adobe but
Foxit Reader (freeware) is a more satisfactory programme if your
requirements are limited to viewing and printing documents:
http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/rd_intro.php

Photographic programmes often enable the user to edit their pictures.
When this feature is present the programme retains copies of the files
in memory until the user decides on a final version or to stay with the
original. These intermediate copies of the file require large amounts of
memory until a revised version of the file is saved. This is called an
Undo feature, which can exist in other programmes such as Excel, but
it's impact becomes more dramatic with graphics programmes because file
sizes are so large before you start using the feature.

You say you have 512 mb of RAM. Judging by the results from Task Manager
your system would benefit from increasing this. You need to tackle the
issues mentioned above first and then assess what is your usual /
typical pagefile usage using pagefilemon.

Use page file monitor to observe what is the peak
usage.Start it to run immediately after start-up and look at the log
at the end of the session.The log is Pagefile log.txt. If you right
click on the file in Windows Explorer and select Send to, Desktop
(Create Shortcut). The same applies to XP_PageFileMon.exe. You will
need to run it at intervals as it does not log continuously once
started.

A small utility to monitor pagefile usage:
http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_pagefilemon.htm

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Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gerry:
Thanks for your reply. I have no idea what the Commit Charge Peak
means but I do leave my computer on most of the time. The only
programs I have are I Explorer, Firefox (rarely used), AOL, Microsoft
Office Word XP, Excel (which I never use), power point, and mail
programs. I also use Norton and SpyBot. I'm not sure if any of these
are hungry programs. And I'm not sure if I use any old 16-bit
programs but the computer is relatively new. What did you mean
"party those incorporating Undo features"?

Yes, I use Acrobat Reader and I don't know which programs I use to
create temporary files other than I Explorer or AOL. Any other
suggestions?
help you can offer.
 
D

Daave

I didn't know if the Temp Sync Files or the Web/client/Publisher Temp
files
could be deleted. If they are not needed, I can delete them also. I
think
Windows is configuring the pagefile because I have received messages
that
since the virtual memory is low, Windows is taking some memory from
other
programs that might not be available..

You may delete the temp files; they are not needed.

It sounds like Windows is managing the size of your pagefile (which is
normally good). But just to make sure, right-click on the My Computer
icon and select Properties. Then click on the Advanced tab. Under
Performance, click on the Settings button. Then click on the Advanced
tab. Under Virtual Memory, what does it say? Also, click on the Change
button and jot down everything in that window and include that
information in your next post.

Regarding what you found in Task Manager, my analysis will be in a later
post. I did notice quite a few memory hogs!

It's not that Windows takes memory from other programs. What happens is
if you don't have enough RAM for your memory load, Windows claims a
portion of your hard drive (that's where your pagefile is) to pick up
the slack. Since RAM is faster than the pagefile, it's best to make sure
you have enough RAM so that the pagefile is seldom used. Since 512 MB
RAM is *usually* enough memory for *most* XP users (there are
exceptions, of course), it's best to determine which programs you are
running are resource hogs and determine if there are less RAM-hungry
alternatives.
 
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Daave

PPSTeach said:
I'm not sure what you mean when you say 'malware status'. I use
Norton (Basic and Internet Security) and Spybot if that is what you
mean.

I was referring to how clean your PC is. That is, are you absolutely
sure it is free of malware (malicious software, a term comprising
viruses, worms, trojans, adware, spyware, rootkits, etc.)?

Norton is a known resource/RAM hog, and it may very well be part of your
problem!

Do you mean Spybot Search & Destroy (a good anti-spyware application)?
Or do you mean SpywareBot (which I noticed was mentioned below and was
once considered a rogue app). If the latter, I would personally get rid
of it. Although it may no longer be considered a rogue app, it
nonetheless has an unsavory history. See:

http://spywarewarrior.com/rogue_anti-spyware.htm

Big list, huh?! You will see SpywareBot listed there.
I found a place that helped me display the virtual memory on the Task
Manager window. The following were the largest numbers:
ccSveHst (26,773), iexplore (65,165), mim (13,684), SpywareBot
(22,292), AOL (11,672 + 12,328 + 8,204), aim6 (14,700), Appsvc32
(17,000), explorer (16,140), svchost (15,640 + 2,000 + 3,285), DSAgnt
(9,160), and WINlogon (5,952). Do these mean anything to you? Is
the memory they are using excessive? How can I change it?

You can use Google to find out about the above.

1. ccSveHst . Do you maybe mean ccSvcHst? If so, that's the Symantec
Service Framework. (Symantec and Norton are one and the same. Remember
what I said earlier about Norton being a resource/RAM hog? Well, this
might be one of your problems!)

2. iexplore . Internet Explorer. Seems like 65 MB is quite a bit of
RAM; might be some plug-ins, might be normal...

3. mim . Musicmatch?

4. SpywareBot. I'd ditch this ASAP (see above).

5. AOL and aim6 (AOL Instant Messenger): WOW! Now *that's* a lot of
resources!!!

6. Appsvc32 (Norton!) seems to cause lots of problems:
http://www.cybertechhelp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=730140



Do you still use AOL? If not, I would uninstall it. Otherwise, only run
the specific AOL programs you actually use.


Again, I'd uninstall SpywareBot.

And I would *definitely* uninstall Norton!


Here are alternatives (all free):


The following antivirus programs have many fans:

AVG (this is what I use)
http://free.grisoft.com/freeweb.php/doc/2/

avast!
http://www.avast.com/eng/avast_4_home.html

AntiVir
http://www.free-av.com/


For spyware, it's rare that one program catches everything. I recommend
a combination of the following:

Ad-Aware
http://www.lavasoftusa.com/products/ad_aware_free.php

Spybot Search & Destroy
http://www.safer-networking.org/en/index.html

SpywareBlaster
http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/spywareblaster.html


These may be helpful down the road *just in case* the above three miss
something:

A-Squared
http://www.emsisoft.com/en/software/free/

CWShredder
http://us.trendmicro.com/us/products/personal/CWShredder/


I've also heard good things about SUPERAntiSpyware (although I haven't
used it):

http://www.superantispyware.com/



Good luck!
 
G

Guest

Daave: Thank you so very much for this wealth of information. I had to
leave town for almost a month for family emergency surgery and have not had a
chance to address computer issues. I will study these suggestions as well as
your next posting for further help. Thanks again.

PPSTeach
 
D

Daave

You're welcome.

I hope the surgery went well.



PPSTeach said:
Daave: Thank you so very much for this wealth of information. I had
to
leave town for almost a month for family emergency surgery and have
not had a
chance to address computer issues. I will study these suggestions as
well as
your next posting for further help. Thanks again.

PPSTeach
 

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