Licensing understanding and concerns

[Brian Coats]

Sorry for triple posting and a long post . I thought this might be
important to all groups.

Licensing understanding and concerns
Full retail operating system version. May be transferred or sold to
another computer. If removed from another computer and was not as a
upgrade requirement.

Same for a upgrade retail except you must have a qualifying product to
do the upgrade.

Oem version may not be transfered except for the sale of the whole
computer.

Educational Version-May be only used by staff and teachers at
educational institution and can’t be resold even with a computer.

My beef with Microsoft is allowing companies to sell oem version
without hardware or proper paperwork.

Another beef I have is Microsoft not getting licensing information
straight between the licensing representatives.

I had questions that were answered different. (This representatives
were contacted by different computer shop.)

One even said the full retail version of operating system dies with
the computer and is not transferable. Also, told me if I buy the xp
pro retail version it will license any windows 98 computer. Even if
that version that was not bought correctly. I was also told that you
can install one xp oem on two systems.

I wondering now if I bought a windows 98se full retail from a computer
shop, it was used as a trade in. 98se was never installed or
registered on the computer. Is legal?

Actual according to contract laws if Ms breaks it own eula. The
contract is no longer valid. In a sense they have by allowing
companies to sell oem without hardware.

It look like kurt may be right all along. If that the case everyone
owes kurt an big apology

Brian

 

[Carey Frisch [MVP]]

Read the Windows XP End-User License Agreement:

To access the License Agreement on your XP computer, go to:

Start > Run and type: WINVER , and hit enter.

Then click on "End-User License Agreement".

You can also open XP's "Help and Support" and type: EULA
and hit enter. Click on "Questions and answers about the EULA".


--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User

Be Smart! Protect your PC!
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/

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| Sorry for triple posting and a long post . I thought this might be
| important to all groups.
|
| Licensing understanding and concerns
| Full retail operating system version. May be transferred or sold to
| another computer. If removed from another computer and was not as a
| upgrade requirement.
|
| Same for a upgrade retail except you must have a qualifying product to
| do the upgrade.
|
| Oem version may not be transfered except for the sale of the whole
| computer.
|
| Educational Version-May be only used by staff and teachers at
| educational institution and can't be resold even with a computer.
|
| My beef with Microsoft is allowing companies to sell oem version
| without hardware or proper paperwork.
|
| Another beef I have is Microsoft not getting licensing information
| straight between the licensing representatives.
|
| I had questions that were answered different. (This representatives
| were contacted by different computer shop.)
|
| One even said the full retail version of operating system dies with
| the computer and is not transferable. Also, told me if I buy the xp
| pro retail version it will license any windows 98 computer. Even if
| that version that was not bought correctly. I was also told that you
| can install one xp oem on two systems.
|
| I wondering now if I bought a windows 98se full retail from a computer
| shop, it was used as a trade in. 98se was never installed or
| registered on the computer. Is legal?
|
| Actual according to contract laws if Ms breaks it own eula. The
| contract is no longer valid. In a sense they have by allowing
| companies to sell oem without hardware.
|
| It look like kurt may be right all along. If that the case everyone
| owes kurt an big apology
|
| Brian
|

 

[Rick T]

Brian Coats wrote:

<some crap>

My beef with Microsoft is allowing companies to sell oem version
without hardware or proper paperwork.

huh? do the words printed in big letters on the OEM disks by M$:
"TO BE SOLD WITH A NEW COMPUTER SYSTEM ONLY"
ring a bell?

M$ charges businesses they catch. Sorry, but fault is *entirely* with
the retail outlet.

Another beef I have is Microsoft not getting licensing information
straight between the licensing representatives.

I had questions that were answered different. (This representatives
were contacted by different computer shop.)

Maybe M$ would like to hear from you. I'd suggest contacting the
retailers in question in writing for confirmation of information
received first.

One even said the full retail version of operating system dies with
the computer and is not transferable.

BS doesn't only stand for "Bachelor of Science"

Also, told me if I buy the xp pro retail version it will license any
windows 98 computer. Even if that version that was not bought
correctly.

Sure, if you buy the full retail version (duh). Otherwise... there is
something floating around between my ears about that, but I can't
remember offhand.

I was also told that you can install one xp oem on two systems.

*You* personally can't legally. Whether M$ would consider allowing a
retailer to give you one OEM CD for two systems (and charging an
additional licensing fee of course) is in the realm of their licensing
agreement with the retailer. If somebody offers to do that, insist on
some sort of confirmation with M$.

I wondering now if I bought a windows 98se full retail from a
computer shop, it was used as a trade in. 98se was never installed
or registered on the computer. Is legal?

I can't really parse that but if you're asking if you can buy a 98SE
full retail then an XP upgrade, yes you can. People do that.

It look like kurt may be right all along. If that the case everyone
owes kurt an big apology

who the hell's kurt and why would I want to apologize to him?


Rick
windowsme.general

 

[Lil' Dave]

My beef with Microsoft is allowing companies to sell oem version
without hardware or proper paperwork.

My own dealing with purchasing OEM MS OS software CDs is that some require
an entire PC purchase (this is a restore CD by the way). Some require
purchase of a motherboard or hard drive for a generic OEM install version.
Some are less finicky about hardware items needed to be purchase. And a few
may state the hardware purchase requirement, but sell the generic OEM
install version with no hardware in the invoice. In any case, I as the end
consumer, never had to fill out any paperwork for any generic OEM install
version in any case.

Another beef I have is Microsoft not getting licensing information
straight between the licensing representatives.
Dunno.

I had questions that were answered different. (This representatives
were contacted by different computer shop.)

One even said the full retail version of operating system dies with
the computer and is not transferable.

This is possible depending if the installation was specific to the PC. The
shop may be mixing apples and oranges here about this install version and
rules that apply to typical restore CDs.

Also, told me if I buy the xp
pro retail version it will license any windows 98 computer. Even if
that version that was not bought correctly.

I suspect you meant upgrade version. What does "not bought correctly"
quanitify?
The XP or any MS OS install only cares about the verifiable existence of the
qualifying product, not how it was acquired. Are you mixing apples and
oranges too?

I was also told that you
can install one xp oem on two systems.

If you have multi-licensing for it, sure.

I wondering now if I bought a windows 98se full retail from a computer
shop, it was used as a trade in. 98se was never installed or
registered on the computer. Is legal?

If you didn't make a copy of it or copy the key.

Actual according to contract laws if Ms breaks it own eula. The
contract is no longer valid. In a sense they have by allowing
companies to sell oem without hardware.

Noted previously above.

It look like kurt may be right all along. If that the case everyone
owes kurt an big apology

Who is "kurt"? Who is "everyone"?

Get the specifics straight before any further rantings. The information
you've provided to sustantiate your allegations seems mixed up with
applicable and non-applicable stuff.

 

[Brian Coats]

Rick,

I have 2 conflicting stories about Licensing from two different
Microsoft licensing reps. I never heard of xp retail or xp pro retail
having a down gradable license to windows me or 98se. If I
understand right xp keys may work for 98se? I doubt that.

I don’t know who to believe now. Newsgroups, Computer shop or the
place I bought the software off of. I going to make my own
judgment-and do what I think I is legal.

I was trying to do the right thing. I have the receipt I purchased
it. It is legal period.

Brian

 

[Rick T]

Brian Coats wrote:

<some crap where he's trying to justify doing something he thinks is
illegal>

Look, why don't you post the position you think you're in, and ask for
opinions?



Rick

 

[Noel Paton]

I think some of the confusion here has arisen because of the fact that the
Retail XP versions are licensed for use on '2 processors'. It should be
noted that, AFAIK, this still only allows the use of a copy of XP in one
machine - the two processors being installed in that machine, or in fact
being the two apparent processors in a Hyperthreading processor. Installing
into two machines is NOT permitted under the terms of the EULA.

This is different to Office versions - where I believe they are still
allowing a single copy of Office to be installed into two machines, on the
proviso that only one is in use at any one time. The original reasoning was
that the owner could then have his Office at work, and on his laptop. I
suspect that this has already undergone a drastic review in the past, and
will be reviewed on an ongoing basis.


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[Bill Blanton]

I think some of the confusion here has arisen because of the fact that the
Retail XP versions are licensed for use on '2 processors'. It should be
noted that, AFAIK, this still only allows the use of a copy of XP in one
machine - the two processors being installed in that machine, or in fact
being the two apparent processors in a Hyperthreading processor. Installing
into two machines is NOT permitted under the terms of the EULA.

That would include virtual machines as well. To install XP in
a VPC or VMware VM running on XP, you need two licences,
even though it is the same physical processor(s).

 

[Noel Paton]

Thanks, Bill, not a situation I've ever tried - yet (currently trying to
free up some room on my other box so that I've got a couple of partitions
here to play with VPC/VMWare)


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