license transfer

R

rpp77

I have 2 compaq presario systems (one a few years older than the other). The
older compaq has Windows ME installed on it. The newer compaq has Windows XP
installed on it. The newer compaq burned out, so I'm working with the older
one now, but would like to install Windows XP on that system, as ME isn't
working very well for me. The recovery disks don't allow me to do this, but
as I purchased both systems, I expect I'm entitled to one active copy of
windows XP, and am wondering how I go about getting a copy installed on my
older compaq system.
 
P

philo

rpp77 said:
I have 2 compaq presario systems (one a few years older than the other). The
older compaq has Windows ME installed on it. The newer compaq has Windows XP
installed on it. The newer compaq burned out, so I'm working with the older
one now, but would like to install Windows XP on that system, as ME isn't
working very well for me. The recovery disks don't allow me to do this, but
as I purchased both systems, I expect I'm entitled to one active copy of
windows XP, and am wondering how I go about getting a copy installed on my
older compaq system.


The recovery CD is only good for the exact model that it was originally
installed on.

Unless the motherboard itself died on your newer machine...it's probably
best to just fix it.

If the powersupply died, it's an easy fix.

or if the HD failed, once replaced...the recovery cd should work with that.
 
R

rpp77

I think it is the motherboard, which means it would be better to buy a new
computer than try to replace it...unless I can somehow get my copy of XP
installed on the older computer (which has no issues other than a preloaded
ME system).

After purchasing this compaq - windows xp system, aren't I still entitled to
a single license of xp, even if that computer dies?
 
A

Alias

rpp77 said:
I think it is the motherboard, which means it would be better to buy a new
computer than try to replace it...unless I can somehow get my copy of XP
installed on the older computer (which has no issues other than a preloaded
ME system).

After purchasing this compaq - windows xp system, aren't I still entitled to
a single license of xp, even if that computer dies?

No, you aren't. The license died with the machine. Ain't licensing
grand? You might want to check out Ubuntu, a free operating system that
is bullet proof compared to Windows when it comes to malware. Check it
out at http://www.ubuntu.com/

Alias
 
P

philo

rpp77 said:
I think it is the motherboard, which means it would be better to buy a new
computer than try to replace it...unless I can somehow get my copy of XP
installed on the older computer (which has no issues other than a preloaded
ME system).

After purchasing this compaq - windows xp system, aren't I still entitled to
a single license of xp, even if that computer dies?
It does not work that way with an OEM version of XP.
An OEM restore CD is just good for the machine on which it came...


Had you purchased an XP cd, it would be good on any *one* computer it was
installed on...
and transferable.

Just out of curiosity what exactly does your non-working machine do or not
do?

Though the mobo could of course be dead, just as you say...
it may be something simple
 
A

Andrew

That specific license is only for that specific machine. IT is an OEM
machine, so that license is "locked" to that specific OEM/Machine.

you must buy a new license for machine 2.
 
R

rpp77

The machine doesn't turn on when I press the power button, but when I look at
the back of the computer, the LED on the power supply is lit. Connections
inside the computer all appear to be good.

So, what do I do with the older, but still good, computer that runs windows
ME (which sometimes works and sometimes gives me trouble)? A new windows OS
purchase isn't that different in cost from purchasing a new computer, so the
choice is to always buy the new computer (which includes a new OS anyway).
I'd have swapped hard disks in the computers, but the disk controllers aren't
compatible.
 
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philo

rpp77 said:
The machine doesn't turn on when I press the power button, but when I look at
the back of the computer, the LED on the power supply is lit. Connections
inside the computer all appear to be good.

So, what do I do with the older, but still good, computer that runs windows
ME (which sometimes works and sometimes gives me trouble)? A new windows OS
purchase isn't that different in cost from purchasing a new computer, so the
choice is to always buy the new computer (which includes a new OS anyway).
I'd have swapped hard disks in the computers, but the disk controllers aren't
compatible.




Well, swapping the HD's would probably not have worked anyway...
the OS would probably not have even booted due to the difference in HW.
It does look like a bad mobo...
but just becasue the PSU lite is on does not necessarily mean it's good.

I agree, you might as well just get a new machine. Personally, I'd look for
a low priced system
that still had XP...

However, with good enough hardware Vista should run OK.
Check the machine well before your buy it...but if the Vista rating is 4 or
more (our of a possible 5)
it should run Vista OK


Though you can get new machines for as little as $300
watch very carefully...the amount of RAM

To run XP properly you will need at least 512 megs of RAM
1 - 2 gig is not a bad idea

To run Vista properly
you really need 1 gig minimum...with 2 gigs really being more realistic.

A dual core cpu is also needed to get the best out of Vista...
but XP will do fine with a single core CPU
 
P

Patrick Keenan

rpp77 said:
The machine doesn't turn on when I press the power button, but when I look
at
the back of the computer, the LED on the power supply is lit. Connections
inside the computer all appear to be good.

So, what do I do with the older, but still good, computer that runs
windows
ME (which sometimes works and sometimes gives me trouble)? A new windows
OS
purchase isn't that different in cost from purchasing a new computer, so
the
choice is to always buy the new computer (which includes a new OS anyway).
I'd have swapped hard disks in the computers, but the disk controllers
aren't
compatible.

I would point out another option. I regularly see (and buy) on the used
market, name brand 3gHz Pentium 4 systems, at least 512 meg Ram, SATA hard
disk, DVD drive, no monitor, but valid XP Pro license with CD, for around
$200.

HTH
-pk
 
V

VanguardLH

rpp77 said:
I have 2 compaq presario systems (one a few years older than the other). The
older compaq has Windows ME installed on it. The newer compaq has Windows XP
installed on it. The newer compaq burned out, so I'm working with the older
one now, but would like to install Windows XP on that system, as ME isn't
working very well for me. The recovery disks don't allow me to do this, but
as I purchased both systems, I expect I'm entitled to one active copy of
windows XP, and am wondering how I go about getting a copy installed on my
older compaq system.

An OEM version is tied permanently to the first computer on which it is
installed. Doesn't matter if you tossed it in the trash, it got burned
up in a fire, your estranged spouse stole it, you lost it to a thief at
the airport, or a meteor slammed into it. If that computer is gone, so
is the OEM license.

You didn't mention what version of the license you have. From what you
described, it is highly likely an OEM version. Did you buy those copies
of Windows ME and Windows XP separately of the hardware? Or did they
come pre-installed on those computers? If pre-installed, you got an OEM
version. Unless you fix the computer, you'll lose the license of
Windows that is on it.
 
B

Bruce Chambers

rpp77 said:
I have 2 compaq presario systems (one a few years older than the other). The
older compaq has Windows ME installed on it. The newer compaq has Windows XP
installed on it. The newer compaq burned out, so I'm working with the older
one now, but would like to install Windows XP on that system, as ME isn't
working very well for me. The recovery disks don't allow me to do this, but
as I purchased both systems, I expect I'm entitled to one active copy of
windows XP, and am wondering how I go about getting a copy installed on my
older compaq system.


By your own admission, you have an OEM license for WinXP. An OEM
version must be sold with a piece of hardware (normally a motherboard or
hard rive, if not an entire PC) and is _permanently_ bound to the first
PC on which it's installed. An OEM license, once installed, is not
legally transferable to another computer under _any_ circumstances.
(Which is largely why your Compaq Recovery disk was specifically
designed to prevent illicit installations.

There are some very important reasons that an OEM license costs so
much less than a retail license. OEM licenses are very limited:

1) OEM versions must be sold with a piece of non-peripheral
hardware (normally a motherboard or hard drive, if not an entire PC,
although Microsoft has greatly relaxed the hardware criteria for WinXP)
and are _permanently_ bound to the first PC on which they are installed.
An OEM license, once installed, is not legally transferable to another
computer under any circumstances. This is the main reason some people
avoid OEM versions; if the PC dies or is otherwise disposed of (even
stolen), you cannot re-use your OEM license on a new PC. The only
legitimate way to transfer the ownership of an OEM license is to
transfer ownership of the entire PC.

2) Microsoft provides no free support for OEM versions. If you
have any problems that require outside assistance, your only recourse is
to contact the manufacturer/builder of the PC or the vendor of the OEM
license. This would include such issues as lost a Product Key or
replacing damaged installation media. (Microsoft does make allowances
for those instances when you can prove that the OEM has gone out of
business.) This doesn't mean that you can't download patches and
service packs from Microsoft -- just no free telephone or email support
for problems with the OS.

3) An OEM CD cannot be used to perform an upgrade of an earlier
OS, as it was designed to be installed _only_ upon an empty hard drive.
It can still be used to perform a repair installation (a.k.a. an
in-place upgrade) of an existing WinXP installation.

4) If the OEM CD was designed by a specific manufacturer, such as
eMachines, Sony, Dell, Gateway, etc., it will most likely only install
on the same brand of PC, as an additional anti-piracy feature. Further,
such CDs are severely customized to contain only the minimum of device
drivers, and a lot of extra nonsense, that the manufacturer feels
necessary for the specific model of PC for which the CD was designed. To
be honest, such CDs should _not_ be available on the open market; but,
if you're shopping someplace on-line like eBay, swap meets, or computer
fairs, there's often no telling what you're buying until it's too late.
The "generic" OEM CDs, such as are manufactured by Microsoft and sold
to small systems builders, don't have this particular problem, though,
and are pretty much the same as their retail counterparts, apart from
the licensing, support, and upgrading restrictions.

Bottom line: You'll have to purchase a new WinXP license to go on the
older computer, assuming it's even possible. Before going any further,
you should take a few minutes to ensure that there are WinXP-specific
device drivers available for all of the machine's internal components.
There may not be, if the PC was specifically designed for Win98/Me.
Also bear in mind that PCs designed for, sold and run fine with Win9x/Me
very often do not meet WinXP's much more stringent hardware quality
requirements. This is particularly true of many early models in
Compaq's consumer-class Presario product line or HP's consumer-class
Pavilion product line. WinXP, like WinNT and Win2K before it, is quite
sensitive to borderline defective or substandard hardware (particularly
motherboards, RAM and hard drives) that will still support Win9x.


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B

Bruce Chambers

rpp77 said:
I think it is the motherboard, which means it would be better to buy a new
computer than try to replace it...unless I can somehow get my copy of XP
installed on the older computer (which has no issues other than a preloaded
ME system).

After purchasing this compaq - windows xp system, aren't I still entitled to
a single license of xp, even if that computer dies?


No, you're not. This is because you purchased the much lower priced
OEM license that was included with the computer. OEM licenses live and
die with the first computer on which they're installed, or with which
they're purchased. They are not legitimately transferable. All of this
is spelled out quite clearly in the EULA to which you agreed, the first
time you started the computer.


--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:


http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot
 
K

Ken Blake, MVP

I think it is the motherboard, which means it would be better to buy a new
computer than try to replace it...unless I can somehow get my copy of XP
installed on the older computer (which has no issues other than a preloaded
ME system).

After purchasing this compaq - windows xp system, aren't I still entitled to
a single license of xp, even if that computer dies?


No. If your copy of XP came with the Compaq, it's an OEM copy. There
are several disadvantages of an OEM copy, but the biggest one is that
its license ties it permanently to the first computer it's installed
on. It can never legally be moved to another computer, sold, or given
away (except with the original computer). That's true even if the
computer dies.
 
J

Jerry

rpp77 said:
I have 2 compaq presario systems (one a few years older than the other).
The
older compaq has Windows ME installed on it. The newer compaq has Windows
XP
installed on it. The newer compaq burned out, so I'm working with the
older
one now, but would like to install Windows XP on that system, as ME isn't
working very well for me. The recovery disks don't allow me to do this,
but
as I purchased both systems, I expect I'm entitled to one active copy of
windows XP, and am wondering how I go about getting a copy installed on my
older compaq system.

What I would try is to gather all the XP drivers needed for the older ME
system. Move the disk from new to old and boot into safe mode. Then start
installing the XP drivers, one at a time, rebooting into safe mode after
each driver until you get to the last one. You've got nothing to lose but
time by trying this procedure, I've had it work just fine when replacing
totally different motherboards on an emachine computer.
 
N

N. Miller

After purchasing this compaq - windows xp system, aren't I still entitled to
a single license of xp, even if that computer dies?

No. An OEM license ties the OS to only the computer it was installed on.
 

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