Large Hard Drives

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Hi - My system is an Intel PIII - Ram 512Mb - WinXP Pro SP1.
One Hard Disk Samsung 20Gb.
I plan to install a Secondary Drive (Slave) of 160 or 200Gb
of another brand, (say Western Digital). I have heard that the
system would not be able to recognize the new large drive.
Is this correct? Thanks in advance for any advise and comments
 
The limiting factor would be the motherboard's BIOS.
Visit the support web site of the manufacturer of your PC
or motherboard to find out how large a hard drive your
motherboard's BIOS is capable of supporting. You may need
to install a BIOS update.

How to enable 48-bit Logical Block Addressing support for ATAPI disk drives in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;303013

Windows XP Does Not Recognize All Available Disk Space
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;316505

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User

Be Smart! Protect Your PC!
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx

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| Hi - My system is an Intel PIII - Ram 512Mb - WinXP Pro SP1.
| One Hard Disk Samsung 20Gb.
| I plan to install a Secondary Drive (Slave) of 160 or 200Gb
| of another brand, (say Western Digital). I have heard that the
| system would not be able to recognize the new large drive.
| Is this correct? Thanks in advance for any advise and comments
| --
| Twanny
 
This is one area "I fear to tread" - the BIOS.
(Award Modular BIOS v4.51PG - A-WIN P3VBX+ BIOS Revision 2.6 (2WL).ME )
I once contacted the manufacturer's website (Taiwan) about the bios
and they told me there is no support as it is "old" (4 years). I know that
the MB chipset is VIA. Do you think I can get a BIOS update here? My worry
is updating ("flashing"?) the BIOS as my know-how is strictly home-user.

In any case I will visit your suggested sites.
Thanks! If you have additional comments re the above, it would be appreciated.

Twanny
 
This is one area "I fear to tread" - the BIOS!
Mine says: Award Modular BIOS v4.51PG
A-WIN P3VBX+ BIOS Revision 2.6 (2WL).ME

A while ago I did contact the manufacturer in Taiwan but they
said my MB is "old". The Chipset is VIA but I am unsure how to go
about updated ("flushing"?) the BIOS - my knowledge is strictly home-user.
Can you point me out to a site which explains how to do this update?
Meantime I will visit the sites you pointed out. I appreciate your time and
any other comments will be most welcome.

Thanks
Twanny
 
This is one area "I fear to tread" - the BIOS!
Mine says: Award Modular BIOS v4.51PG
A-WIN P3VBX+ BIOS Revision 2.6 (2WL).ME

A while ago I did contact the manufacturer in Taiwan but they
said my MB is "old". The Chipset is VIA but I am unsure how to go
about updated ("flushing"?) the BIOS - my knowledge is strictly home-user.
Can you point me out to a site which explains how to do this update?
Meantime I will visit the sites you pointed out. I appreciate your time and
any other comments will be most welcome.

Thanks
Twanny
 
It is possible that your board won't recognize that large of a drive and if
there are no updated BIOS revisions for it you may have to settle for a
smaller drive. Are you certain you need a drive that large?

Maybe you could use a controller card or a USB enclosure rather than flash
the BIOS.
--

Harry Ohrn MS-MVP [Shell/User]
www.webtree.ca/windowsxp
 
Twanny said:
This is one area "I fear to tread" - the BIOS!
Mine says: Award Modular BIOS v4.51PG
A-WIN P3VBX+ BIOS Revision 2.6 (2WL).ME

A while ago I did contact the manufacturer in Taiwan but they
said my MB is "old". The Chipset is VIA but I am unsure how to go
about updated ("flushing"?) the BIOS - my knowledge is strictly home-user.
Can you point me out to a site which explains how to do this update?
Meantime I will visit the sites you pointed out. I appreciate your time
and
any other comments will be most welcome.

Thanks
Twanny

see if you can identify the motherboard manufacturer , check their website
for BIOS updates (and usually give some instructions on "how to")
 
Twanny said:
Thanks Peter: yes, my present HD and partitions are all NTFS.
Twanny, a) if your motherboard does not have an updated BIOS for you to
flash, then you are out of luck regarding the large hard drive; b) if
there *is* an updated BIOS and you are nervous about flashing it
yourself, then back up your data and take your machine to a good local
computer repair shop (not a BestBuy or CompUSA type of store) and have
them do it for you. It will not be expensive.

Malke
 
Well, one reads to get the "largest drive" possible as data and applications
do eat up the space ( 4 years ago I thought 20Gb were hugh). Thanks for your
input and comments.
----------------------------

Harry Ohrn said:
It is possible that your board won't recognize that large of a drive and if
there are no updated BIOS revisions for it you may have to settle for a
smaller drive. Are you certain you need a drive that large?

Maybe you could use a controller card or a USB enclosure rather than flash
the BIOS.
--

Harry Ohrn MS-MVP [Shell/User]
www.webtree.ca/windowsxp


Twanny said:
This is one area "I fear to tread" - the BIOS.
(Award Modular BIOS v4.51PG - A-WIN P3VBX+ BIOS Revision 2.6 (2WL).ME )
I once contacted the manufacturer's website (Taiwan) about the bios
and they told me there is no support as it is "old" (4 years). I know that
the MB chipset is VIA. Do you think I can get a BIOS update here? My worry
is updating ("flashing"?) the BIOS as my know-how is strictly home-user.

In any case I will visit your suggested sites.
Thanks! If you have additional comments re the above, it would be
appreciated.

Twanny
 
You're right about the BIOS Malke - wish I could do it myself, but right know
I need the PC real bad, so I don't want to mess things up - not for the
"faint-hearted" as they say.

One last thing - what exactly is meant by a "small" and a "large" capacity
HD that my old BIOS can cope with?

Thanks Malke
---------------------------
 
I know some people who are doing fine with 4-6GB drives.
It depends on what you want to do with it and how you
manage it.
 
Hi - My system is an Intel PIII - Ram 512Mb - WinXP Pro SP1.
One Hard Disk Samsung 20Gb.
I plan to install a Secondary Drive (Slave) of 160 or 200Gb
of another brand, (say Western Digital). I have heard that the
system would not be able to recognize the new large drive.
Is this correct? Thanks in advance for any advise and comments

Why not buy a BIOS replacement card for your hard drives? I had
this same situation a few years ago -- couldn't ungrade an older
BIOS, and it wouldn't recognize larger hard drives -- so I got an
ATA 100 Promise card and installed it in a PCI slot. It handled
the larger drives without a murmur. These cards give you four
ribbon cable plugs, so that you can plug in four hard drives, or
other devices such as CD burners or DVD burners.
 
Twanny said:
Hi - My system is an Intel PIII - Ram 512Mb - WinXP Pro SP1.
One Hard Disk Samsung 20Gb.
I plan to install a Secondary Drive (Slave) of 160 or 200Gb
of another brand, (say Western Digital). I have heard that the
system would not be able to recognize the new large drive.
Is this correct? Thanks in advance for any advise and comments

If the BIOS doesn't support 48bit LBA, which it probably doesn't, then
it can recognize drives up to 137GB, so a 120GB should work fine.
 
Malke, there's nothing wrong with some of the Best Buys'. You'll find shady
technicians at other repair establishments to include a few bestbuys' and
CompUSA
 
Twanny getting the largest drive possible means getting the largest drive
your motherboard/BIOS can handle not the largest drive possible to purchase.
Four years ago a 20GB was a large drive and 40GB was about the biggest that
motherboard manufacturer's were building for the home user system. However
now with people filling drives with music and video files 40GBs gets eaten
up real fast. 120GB to 200GB drives are being marketed to the home user but
that doesn't mean an older system can use them. In fact some large drives
come with capacity limitation jumper settings that will enable a very large
drive to be used on older systems. However a 120GB drive will only have
40GBs accessible if that is what the capacity limitation setting determines.

Some BIOS upgrades will enable large drive support but the BIOS upgrade
might still only go to 80GBs making the very large drives still inaccessible
without either a capacity limitation setting being used or connecting the
drive to either a promise card controller or a usb drive enclosure.
--

Harry Ohrn MS-MVP [Shell/User]
www.webtree.ca/windowsxp


| Well, one reads to get the "largest drive" possible as data and
applications
| do eat up the space ( 4 years ago I thought 20Gb were hugh). Thanks for
your
| input and comments.
| ----------------------------
|
| "Harry Ohrn" wrote:
|
| > It is possible that your board won't recognize that large of a drive and
if
| > there are no updated BIOS revisions for it you may have to settle for a
| > smaller drive. Are you certain you need a drive that large?
| >
| > Maybe you could use a controller card or a USB enclosure rather than
flash
| > the BIOS.
| > --
| >
| > Harry Ohrn MS-MVP [Shell/User]
| > www.webtree.ca/windowsxp
| >
| >
| > | > > This is one area "I fear to tread" - the BIOS.
| > > (Award Modular BIOS v4.51PG - A-WIN P3VBX+ BIOS Revision 2.6
(2WL).ME )
| > > I once contacted the manufacturer's website (Taiwan) about the bios
| > > and they told me there is no support as it is "old" (4 years). I know
that
| > > the MB chipset is VIA. Do you think I can get a BIOS update here? My
worry
| > > is updating ("flashing"?) the BIOS as my know-how is strictly
home-user.
| > >
| > > In any case I will visit your suggested sites.
| > > Thanks! If you have additional comments re the above, it would be
| > > appreciated.
| > >
| > > Twanny
| > > ----------------------------
| > >
| > > "Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote:
| > >
| > >> The limiting factor would be the motherboard's BIOS.
| > >> Visit the support web site of the manufacturer of your PC
| > >> or motherboard to find out how large a hard drive your
| > >> motherboard's BIOS is capable of supporting. You may need
| > >> to install a BIOS update.
| > >>
| > >> How to enable 48-bit Logical Block Addressing support for ATAPI disk
| > >> drives in Windows XP
| > >> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;303013
| > >>
| > >> Windows XP Does Not Recognize All Available Disk Space
| > >> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;316505
| > >>
| > >> --
| > >> Carey Frisch
| > >> Microsoft MVP
| > >> Windows XP - Shell/User
| > >>
| > >> Be Smart! Protect Your PC!
| > >> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
| > >>
| >----
| > >>
| > >> "Twanny" wrote:
| > >>
| > >> | Hi - My system is an Intel PIII - Ram 512Mb - WinXP Pro SP1.
| > >> | One Hard Disk Samsung 20Gb.
| > >> | I plan to install a Secondary Drive (Slave) of 160 or 200Gb
| > >> | of another brand, (say Western Digital). I have heard that the
| > >> | system would not be able to recognize the new large drive.
| > >> | Is this correct? Thanks in advance for any advise and comments
| > >> | --
| > >> | Twanny
| > >>
| >
| >
| >
 
Unless your BIOS is so old that the computer won't get through POST
because of the large drive, it does not matter whether the BIOS does
not see past 137GB. The only thing necessary for Windows XP to be able
to access large drives is SP1 or SP2. Just connect the large drive as
slave and run Disk Management to partition and format.

I've connected a 200GB drive to a VA-503A socket 7 motherboard and
created and formatted a partition that covered the entire drive. I
currently run a 200GB drive on a Soyo SY-7VEM motherboard to record
HDTV programs. Both of these motherboards have BIOSes with 137GB
limits.
 
Harry- appreciate your input - makes a whole lot of sense:
I guess I got carried away with the appeal of large capacity Disks.
To play it safe, I will take the machine to a Computer store and purchase
the largest possible disk according to the limitations of my MBoard.
--------
P.S. To all who replied - thanks! I learnt quite a lot in this post

Twanny

Harry Ohrn said:
Twanny getting the largest drive possible means getting the largest drive
your motherboard/BIOS can handle not the largest drive possible to purchase.
Four years ago a 20GB was a large drive and 40GB was about the biggest that
motherboard manufacturer's were building for the home user system. However
now with people filling drives with music and video files 40GBs gets eaten
up real fast. 120GB to 200GB drives are being marketed to the home user but
that doesn't mean an older system can use them. In fact some large drives
come with capacity limitation jumper settings that will enable a very large
drive to be used on older systems. However a 120GB drive will only have
40GBs accessible if that is what the capacity limitation setting determines.

Some BIOS upgrades will enable large drive support but the BIOS upgrade
might still only go to 80GBs making the very large drives still inaccessible
without either a capacity limitation setting being used or connecting the
drive to either a promise card controller or a usb drive enclosure.
--

Harry Ohrn MS-MVP [Shell/User]
www.webtree.ca/windowsxp


| Well, one reads to get the "largest drive" possible as data and
applications
| do eat up the space ( 4 years ago I thought 20Gb were hugh). Thanks for
your
| input and comments.
| ----------------------------
|
| "Harry Ohrn" wrote:
|
| > It is possible that your board won't recognize that large of a drive and
if
| > there are no updated BIOS revisions for it you may have to settle for a
| > smaller drive. Are you certain you need a drive that large?
| >
| > Maybe you could use a controller card or a USB enclosure rather than
flash
| > the BIOS.
| > --
| >
| > Harry Ohrn MS-MVP [Shell/User]
| > www.webtree.ca/windowsxp
| >
| >
| > | > > This is one area "I fear to tread" - the BIOS.
| > > (Award Modular BIOS v4.51PG - A-WIN P3VBX+ BIOS Revision 2.6
(2WL).ME )
| > > I once contacted the manufacturer's website (Taiwan) about the bios
| > > and they told me there is no support as it is "old" (4 years). I know
that
| > > the MB chipset is VIA. Do you think I can get a BIOS update here? My
worry
| > > is updating ("flashing"?) the BIOS as my know-how is strictly
home-user.
| > >
| > > In any case I will visit your suggested sites.
| > > Thanks! If you have additional comments re the above, it would be
| > > appreciated.
| > >
| > > Twanny
| > > ----------------------------
| > >
| > > "Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote:
| > >
| > >> The limiting factor would be the motherboard's BIOS.
| > >> Visit the support web site of the manufacturer of your PC
| > >> or motherboard to find out how large a hard drive your
| > >> motherboard's BIOS is capable of supporting. You may need
| > >> to install a BIOS update.
| > >>
| > >> How to enable 48-bit Logical Block Addressing support for ATAPI disk
| > >> drives in Windows XP
| > >> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;303013
| > >>
| > >> Windows XP Does Not Recognize All Available Disk Space
| > >> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;316505
| > >>
| > >> --
| > >> Carey Frisch
| > >> Microsoft MVP
| > >> Windows XP - Shell/User
| > >>
| > >> Be Smart! Protect Your PC!
| > >> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
| > >>
| >----
| > >>
| > >> "Twanny" wrote:
| > >>
| > >> | Hi - My system is an Intel PIII - Ram 512Mb - WinXP Pro SP1.
| > >> | One Hard Disk Samsung 20Gb.
| > >> | I plan to install a Secondary Drive (Slave) of 160 or 200Gb
| > >> | of another brand, (say Western Digital). I have heard that the
| > >> | system would not be able to recognize the new large drive.
| > >> | Is this correct? Thanks in advance for any advise and comments
| > >> | --
| > >> | Twanny
| > >>
| >
| >
| >
 
This is something I never heard of, let alone consider.
Thanks Al- I will shop around for this BIOS replacement Card:

Twanny
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