K-Meleon 0.8 ROCKS!!

[Max Quordlepleen]

K-Meleon 0.8 has its first release candidate out - it is fantastic!
I've long been a K-Meleon user, but the slow pace of development saw
me switching from 0.7 to Firebird. Now KM has won back my
affections. Still only a 5.4MB d/l, and a very sweet browser indeed
http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/files/kmeleon08rc.exe

Well worth a try.

 

[omega]

K-Meleon 0.8 has its first release candidate out - it is fantastic!
I've long been a K-Meleon user, but the slow pace of development saw
me switching from 0.7 to Firebird. Now KM has won back my
affections. Still only a 5.4MB d/l, and a very sweet browser indeed
http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/files/kmeleon08rc.exe

High on my ToeDoe list. Can I install on top?

 

[Max Quordlepleen]

fantastic! > I've long been a K-Meleon user, but the slow pace of
development saw > me switching from 0.7 to Firebird. Now KM has won
back my > affections. Still only a 5.4MB d/l, and a very sweet
browser indeed > http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/files/kmeleon08rc.exe
High on my ToeDoe list. Can I install on top?

I think so, but I didn't. I think unistalling is recommended, just
copy your config out and then back, if you want to preserve them. The
KM forums are very active at the moment, you could probably get some
advice from some one with a clue there. <blush>

 

[@lain Beguin]

"omega" a écrit le/schreef op/wrote on 6/11/2003

High on my ToeDoe list. Can I install on top?

I did it, everything ok, incluse Favorites.

Alain

 

[@lain Beguin]

"@lain Beguin" a écrit le/schreef op/wrote on 6/11/2003

"omega" a écrit le/schreef op/wrote on 6/11/2003

I did it, everything ok, incluse Favorites.

Alain

Not anymore... :-( :-(

 

[@lain Beguin]

"@lain Beguin" a écrit le/schreef op/wrote on 6/11/2003

Not anymore... :-( :-(

After deleting en the second install =

 

[Max Quordlepleen]

"@lain Beguin" a écrit le/schreef op/wrote on 6/11/2003
After deleting en the second install =

So, should we take it that uninstalling an older version before
installing 0.8 is the best course, Alain? I did anyway, but is that
your recommendation?

 

[Mike Henley]

So, should we take it that uninstalling an older version before
installing 0.8 is the best course, Alain? I did anyway, but is that
your recommendation?

i tried it; i don't see the point to be frank... there's nothing there
that isn't already in firebird... i'd much rather use firebird or
mozilla...

 

[Tufts]

(e-mail address removed) (Mike Henley) wrote in

i tried it; i don't see the point to be frank... there's nothing there
that isn't already in firebird... i'd much rather use firebird or
mozilla...

Agreed. Using Moz 1.4.1 (browser only) and it positively flies.

Tufts

 

[OgO]

In alt.comp.freeware, on 08 Nov 2003, Mike Henley announced:

news:<[email protected]>...

<...re K-Meleon 0.8...>

i tried it; i don't see the point to be frank... there's
nothing there that isn't already in firebird... i'd much
rather use firebird or mozilla...

Does Firebird have an open in background command? That is one
of my favourit features of K-Meleon.

One of my other favourite features is the small footprint I have
it set up with. I hadn't noticed how to get Firebird to do
that, though I admit I haven't played so much with it. I posted
a screenshot of the title bar area of my K-Meleon setup at:

http://qjc.cjb.net/k-meleon.jpg

I made the window a bit smaller so the image wasn't as large,
but usually the URL box is a bit wider so the URL isn't chopped
off like in the picture, the File menu is still available if I
really need it (haven't so far), the icons are:
back, forward, stop, refresh, home, history, preferences, about.

I keep the about box there mostly because it gives me relatively
quick access to the homepage and forums if I want to go there
(and reminds me what version I am using). The most conspicuous
thing missing is a bookmarks thing, but I don't use browser
bookmarks - I use Webmon
( http://www.markwell.btinternet.co.uk/webmon/ ) to keep all the
pages I like to have handy, and it has the bonus of checking
them to see when they are updated for me.

Regards

OgO

 

[Mike Henley]

In alt.comp.freeware, on 08 Nov 2003, Mike Henley announced:

Does Firebird have an open in background command? That is one
of my favourit features of K-Meleon.

yes, and more; get tab extensions for firebird or multizilla for
mozilla and see all the things you can do with em...

One of my other favourite features is the small footprint I have
it set up with. I hadn't noticed how to get Firebird to do
that, though I admit I haven't played so much with it. I posted
a screenshot of the title bar area of my K-Meleon setup at:

http://qjc.cjb.net/k-meleon.jpg

i did even more for firebird; on one line i have the menu, the address
bar, the buttons... it's fully customizable on firebird with drag and
drop... as for mozilla you can use those folding bars which i love a
lot and wish were present in firebird... you just click them and they
fold the bars and when you want them back you just hover over them for
a sec for the name of the bar to show up and you click it...

for both there's a full screen mode that you can fully customize and
an fullscreen autohide extension and a kiosk extension

I keep the about box there mostly because it gives me relatively
quick access to the homepage and forums if I want to go there
(and reminds me what version I am using).

yeah the bookmarks management in firebird and mozilla are good though
i still feel if someone could do some innovative extension for either
that'd be even better

k-meleon was good before firebird, it had a point back then as a
stripped down navigator only browser, but it's amazing how firebird
started and progressed so far that k-meleon now feels obsolete and
lacking in development

perhaps the k-meleon folks ought to write extensions for either
firebird or mozilla if they have innovative ideas...

The most conspicuous
thing missing is a bookmarks thing, but I don't use browser
bookmarks - I use Webmon
( http://www.markwell.btinternet.co.uk/webmon/ ) to keep all the
pages I like to have handy, and it has the bonus of checking
them to see when they are updated for me.

thanks for webmon

Regards

OgO

 

[Max Quordlepleen]

k-meleon was good before firebird, it had a point back then as a
stripped down navigator only browser, but it's amazing how firebird
started and progressed so far that k-meleon now feels obsolete and
lacking in development

Actually, there are a lot of extensions available for K-Meleon, as
well. Because of its lower profile, they may not be as obvious, but a
visit to the K-Meleon forums will demonstrate that K-Meleon is at
least as customisable as Firebird.

 

[@lain Beguin]

"Max Quordlepleen" a écrit le/schreef op/wrote on 7/11/2003

So, should we take it that uninstalling an older version before
installing 0.8 is the best course, Alain? I did anyway, but is that
your recommendation?

Sorry, Max, I was away and could not reply immediatly.
After thinking for a while it seems I made a mistake and the idea
to delete everything was not good.
So, it is not my recommendation, altough I'm certainly not a
specialist.
I enjoy to try a lot of different programs and, indeed, K-meleon is in
use here since a while and I was very satisfied of the 0.7.

For people who like to try free software, I use MesNews as Newsreader,
look in my sig for the site. The Face I use is in color (using
MesNews), this is on "test".
I did translate it in Dutch, someone else translated it in English.

Have a nice day,

Alain

 

[Max Quordlepleen]

For people who like to try free software, I use MesNews as
Newsreader, look in my sig for the site. The Face I use is in color
(using MesNews), this is on "test".

I don't see the Face on my Xnews, but I do in my GNUS/Xemacs (also
freeware, and, also OpenSource - is MesNews OpenSource?) - a very nice
looking sextant, it seems to be.

 

[@lain Beguin]

"Max Quordlepleen" a écrit le/schreef op/wrote on 8/11/2003

I don't see the Face on my Xnews, but I do in my GNUS/Xemacs (also
freeware, and, also OpenSource - is MesNews OpenSource?) - a very nice
looking sextant, it seems to be.

You can't have the source for the moment. Arnaud, the maker of MN is
not willing to release it :-(

It's a Sextant, indeed with it' own color and a blue background.

Greets,

 

[WhItE RaBBiT]

Actually, there are a lot of extensions available for K-Meleon, as
well. Because of its lower profile, they may not be as obvious, but a
visit to the K-Meleon forums will demonstrate that K-Meleon is at
least as customisable as Firebird.

The real advantage is a smaller, customisable footprint.

Most move away from larger browsers to save space and eliminate unwanted
features, like JAVA, which can potentially compromise security.

Any move away from the corporate controlled, functionally totalitarian
software realm is a good move, as I see it! ;-)

 

[OgO]

In alt.comp.freeware, on 08 Nov 2003, Mike Henley announced:

yes, and more; get tab extensions for firebird or
multizilla for mozilla and see all the things you can do
with em...

I'll have to get used to tabs - I'm so used to having each page
in a new window that it's hard to get used to changing tabs
rather than windows, and closing one tab without closing the
whole program...

K-Meleon has 'layers' which are the same thing, though I've
never used those either.

i did even more for firebird; on one line i have the menu,
the address bar, the buttons... it's fully customizable on
firebird with drag and drop...

Ok, I'll have to investigate that then

Off on a tangent here - that is the one thing that I don't like
about AbiWord - the menu and toolbars take up so much room there
is barely any space for the document you've got open, I really
hope they introduce customisable toolbars into a release soon...

k-meleon was good before firebird, it had a point back then
as a stripped down navigator only browser, but it's amazing
how firebird started and progressed so far that k-meleon
now feels obsolete and lacking in development

I guess it depends on how you use it and what features you want
/ need, I wouldn't write it off just yet.

Actually one thing that does look unpolished about Firebird, is
the options page - it is too big to fit on my screen - Sure I
only have my resolution set to 800 x 600 but it should be able
to handle that. You can resise the window, but you simply lose
what is offscreen.

thanks for webmon

No worries I've been through a number of these check for
updates programs - I find having one to be invaluable now, it
saves so much time, and I don't need to use a bookmark system in
my browser so that makes it easier to switch between browsers.

Regards

OgO

 

[Mike Henley]

Actually one thing that does look unpolished about Firebird, is
the options page - it is too big to fit on my screen - Sure I
only have my resolution set to 800 x 600 but it should be able
to handle that. You can resise the window, but you simply lose
what is offscreen.

why do you have your screen set to 800 x 600... either your monitor
doesn't support higher or you have some visual impairment... which...

most software these days is designed for 1024 x 7**

 

[OgO]

In alt.comp.freeware, on 09 Nov 2003, Mike Henley announced:

news:<[email protected]>...

why do you have your screen set to 800 x 600... either your
monitor doesn't support higher or you have some visual
impairment... which...

Visual impairment, my monitor can handle 1600x1200...

most software these days is designed for 1024 x 7**

That's quite high - many people are still old systems that can't
handle higher resolutions well or at all. Software should really
be designed for the lowest spec computer it will be run on, and
while I don't think we should make everything able to run in DOS
on a 386, I think there are still enough people running lower
spec machines to justify keeping the 'standard' screen resolution
800x600.

Back onto Firebird, it is annoying that there is no way to get to
the missing areas of the screen in Firebirds setup screen.

Regards

OgO

 

[omega]

In alt.comp.freeware, on 09 Nov 2003, Mike Henley announced:



Visual impairment, my monitor can handle 1600x1200...

One thing here, too, I'm thinking about is the whole population of folks
over about age 50 or 60. Not a great many them find it suitable to go over
800x600. Maybe when something like 28" monitors come into default, that will
change, but for now, no.

I don't think so (aside from maybe fancy games). In fact, beyond just
important the issue of backwards compatibility... I don't think that higher
res is even at majority yet. Last time I saw stats like this (those based on
webmaster logs), it wasn't. Yet when it does (or even if it has now), the
800x600 users will remain a materially significant group for some time yet
to come.

That's quite high - many people are still old systems that can't

Or laptops. With their smaller screens, it's 800x600 that often works best.

handle higher resolutions well or at all. Software should really
be designed for the lowest spec computer it will be run on, and
while I don't think we should make everything able to run in DOS
on a 386, I think there are still enough people running lower
spec machines to justify keeping the 'standard' screen resolution
800x600.

Back onto Firebird, it is annoying that there is no way to get to
the missing areas of the screen in Firebirds setup screen.

I haven't examined Firebird in recent times, so haven't looked that over,
but from the sound of it, I have to agree with you, here, that they made
a misjudgement.

(Tell me at least that they didn't screw up the way the earlier versions
of $Opera did. That software, in its earlier days, refused to let me keep
my startmenu bar along the vertical left of my screen. Dumb and annoying.)