Just curious

[Guest]

I have learned a lot from "opening" others' websites in FrontPage to see the
layouts and the relationship between Design view and Code view (or the LACK
of table layout and an external css to open & study).
However, when I'm on some sites the option to do so is grayed out. Why?

 

[Guest]

The option is grayed out where? When you right click? Under the View
dropdown menu? It's usually a javascript that inhibits, not completely
prohibits viewing.

 

[Murray]

It's usually a javascript that inhibits, not completely prohibits viewing.

Not likely.

I'm sure OP is talking about the icon on the IE toolbar that allows one to
edit the page in FP/Whatever. I've wondered about this myself.

 

[Guest]

You're right, I overlooked the "opening other websites in FrontPage" part
and was thinking "View Source". Sorry.

 

[Tom Willett]

The host can prohibit it from being used by certain settings on the server.
I just forget how they do it. I think it has to do with cache settings or
host headers, I just can't remember.
--
===
Tom Willett
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
---
FrontPage Support:
http://www.frontpagemvps.com/
===
|> It's usually a javascript that inhibits, not completely prohibits
viewing.
|
| Not likely.
|
| I'm sure OP is talking about the icon on the IE toolbar that allows one to
| edit the page in FP/Whatever. I've wondered about this myself.
|
| --
| Murray
| --------------
| MVP FrontPage
|
|
| | > The option is grayed out where? When you right click? Under the View
| > dropdown menu? It's usually a javascript that inhibits, not completely
| > prohibits viewing.
| >
| > "Mir" wrote:
| >
| >> I have learned a lot from "opening" others' websites in FrontPage to
see
| >> the
| >> layouts and the relationship between Design view and Code view (or the
| >> LACK
| >> of table layout and an external css to open & study).
| >> However, when I'm on some sites the option to do so is grayed out. Why?
|
|

 

[Murray]

Hmmm - sounds fishy to me. Once I have the page in my browser, the host is
out of the picture.

 

[Guest]

Thank you all for replying. (Yes, I was referring to the icon in the IE
toolbar.) It doesn't really matter; I have plenty of accessible examples to
learn from.

 

[Stefan B Rusynko]

Not fishy at all
- the host header controls the browser
In IIS on server set HTTP Headers - Enable Content Expiration (Immediately)

--

_____________________________________________
SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
"Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
_____________________________________________


| Hmmm - sounds fishy to me. Once I have the page in my browser, the host is
| out of the picture.
|
| --
| Murray
| --------------
| MVP FrontPage
|
|
| | > The host can prohibit it from being used by certain settings on the
| > server.
| > I just forget how they do it. I think it has to do with cache settings or
| > host headers, I just can't remember.
| > --
| > ===
| > Tom Willett
| > Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
| > ---
| > FrontPage Support:
| > http://www.frontpagemvps.com/
| > ===
| > | > |> It's usually a javascript that inhibits, not completely prohibits
| > viewing.
| > |
| > | Not likely.
| > |
| > | I'm sure OP is talking about the icon on the IE toolbar that allows one
| > to
| > | edit the page in FP/Whatever. I've wondered about this myself.
| > |
| > | --
| > | Murray
| > | --------------
| > | MVP FrontPage
| > |
| > |
| > | | > | > The option is grayed out where? When you right click? Under the View
| > | > dropdown menu? It's usually a javascript that inhibits, not
| > completely
| > | > prohibits viewing.
| > | >
| > | > "Mir" wrote:
| > | >
| > | >> I have learned a lot from "opening" others' websites in FrontPage to
| > see
| > | >> the
| > | >> layouts and the relationship between Design view and Code view (or
| > the
| > | >> LACK
| > | >> of table layout and an external css to open & study).
| > | >> However, when I'm on some sites the option to do so is grayed out.
| > Why?
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|

 

[Thomas A. Rowe]

Access via FP can also be block with Server-Side Scripting...

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage

http://www.Ecom-Data.com
==============================================

 

[Murray]

Let's give it a try - can you set up such a page?

 

[Murray]

I don't see how that could affect my browser.

 

[Thomas A. Rowe]

It doesn't affect the Edit With FP Icon from displaying, however it will block access to FP from
opening the site.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage

http://www.Ecom-Data.com
==============================================

 

[Thomas A. Rowe]

It not a page, it is a setting on the IIS web server for the specific web site.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage

http://www.Ecom-Data.com
==============================================

Let's give it a try - can you set up such a page?

--
Murray
--------------
MVP FrontPage

Not fishy at all
- the host header controls the browser
In IIS on server set HTTP Headers - Enable Content Expiration (Immediately)

--

_____________________________________________
SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
"Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
_____________________________________________


| Hmmm - sounds fishy to me. Once I have the page in my browser, the host is
| out of the picture.
|
| --
| Murray
| --------------
| MVP FrontPage
|
|
| | > The host can prohibit it from being used by certain settings on the
| > server.
| > I just forget how they do it. I think it has to do with cache settings or
| > host headers, I just can't remember.
| > --
| > ===
| > Tom Willett
| > Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
| > ---
| > FrontPage Support:
| > http://www.frontpagemvps.com/
| > ===
| > | > |> It's usually a javascript that inhibits, not completely prohibits
| > viewing.
| > |
| > | Not likely.
| > |
| > | I'm sure OP is talking about the icon on the IE toolbar that allows one
| > to
| > | edit the page in FP/Whatever. I've wondered about this myself.
| > |
| > | --
| > | Murray
| > | --------------
| > | MVP FrontPage
| > |
| > |
| > | | > | > The option is grayed out where? When you right click? Under the View
| > | > dropdown menu? It's usually a javascript that inhibits, not
| > completely
| > | > prohibits viewing.
| > | >
| > | > "Mir" wrote:
| > | >
| > | >> I have learned a lot from "opening" others' websites in FrontPage to
| > see
| > | >> the
| > | >> layouts and the relationship between Design view and Code view (or
| > the
| > | >> LACK
| > | >> of table layout and an external css to open & study).
| > | >> However, when I'm on some sites the option to do so is grayed out.
| > Why?
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|

 

[Murray]

What we are talking about here (unless I misunderstand) is -

Why does the "edit with ..." icon appear to be disabled when some pages are
opened, but not when others are.

Are your comments directed at that issue?

 

[Tom Willett]

Murray: It's been a long time since I've seen it, but, IIRC, the edit with
icon could show as disabled when the host header configuration is set up as
discussed earlier.
--
===
Tom Willett
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
---
FrontPage Support:
http://www.frontpagemvps.com/
===
| What we are talking about here (unless I misunderstand) is -
|
| Why does the "edit with ..." icon appear to be disabled when some pages
are
| opened, but not when others are.
|
| Are your comments directed at that issue?
|
| --
| Murray
| --------------
| MVP FrontPage
|
|
| | > It doesn't affect the Edit With FP Icon from displaying, however it will
| > block access to FP from opening the site.
| >
| > --
| > ==============================================
| > Thomas A. Rowe
| > Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
| >
| > http://www.Ecom-Data.com
| > ==============================================
| >
| >
| > | >>I don't see how that could affect my browser.
| >>
| >> --
| >> Murray
| >> --------------
| >> MVP FrontPage
| >>
| >>
| >> | >>> Access via FP can also be block with Server-Side Scripting...
| >>>
| >>> --
| >>> ==============================================
| >>> Thomas A. Rowe
| >>> Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
| >>>
| >>> http://www.Ecom-Data.com
| >>> ==============================================
| >>>
| >>>
| >>> | >>>> Hmmm - sounds fishy to me. Once I have the page in my browser, the
| >>>> host is out of the picture.
| >>>>
| >>>> --
| >>>> Murray
| >>>> --------------
| >>>> MVP FrontPage
| >>>>
| >>>>
| >>>> | >>>>> The host can prohibit it from being used by certain settings on the
| >>>>> server.
| >>>>> I just forget how they do it. I think it has to do with cache
| >>>>> settings or
| >>>>> host headers, I just can't remember.
| >>>>> --
| >>>>> ===
| >>>>> Tom Willett
| >>>>> Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
| >>>>> ---
| >>>>> FrontPage Support:
| >>>>> http://www.frontpagemvps.com/
| >>>>> ===
| >>>>> | >>>>> |> It's usually a javascript that inhibits, not completely prohibits
| >>>>> viewing.
| >>>>> |
| >>>>> | Not likely.
| >>>>> |
| >>>>> | I'm sure OP is talking about the icon on the IE toolbar that
allows
| >>>>> one to
| >>>>> | edit the page in FP/Whatever. I've wondered about this myself.
| >>>>> |
| >>>>> | --
| >>>>> | Murray
| >>>>> | --------------
| >>>>> | MVP FrontPage
| >>>>> |
| >>>>> |
| >>>>> | | >>>>> | > The option is grayed out where? When you right click? Under
the
| >>>>> View
| >>>>> | > dropdown menu? It's usually a javascript that inhibits, not
| >>>>> completely
| >>>>> | > prohibits viewing.
| >>>>> | >
| >>>>> | > "Mir" wrote:
| >>>>> | >
| >>>>> | >> I have learned a lot from "opening" others' websites in
FrontPage
| >>>>> to
| >>>>> see
| >>>>> | >> the
| >>>>> | >> layouts and the relationship between Design view and Code view
| >>>>> (or the
| >>>>> | >> LACK
| >>>>> | >> of table layout and an external css to open & study).
| >>>>> | >> However, when I'm on some sites the option to do so is grayed
| >>>>> out. Why?
| >>>>> |
| >>>>> |
| >>>>>
| >>>>>
| >>>>
| >>>>
| >>>
| >>>
| >>
| >>
| >
| >
|
|

 

[Thomas A. Rowe]

Somewhat - regarding the ability to open a site in FP, even it the Edit With FP option is available,
it can be blocked via Server-Side Scripting.

Which would be a method to use if you don't have Admin access or your web host will not change the
setting under IIS.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage

http://www.Ecom-Data.com
==============================================

 

[Murray]

Yes - I'd love to know if this is correct. Let's see if Kevin can mount a
page for us....

 

[Kevin Spencer]

Hi Murray,

I checked this out on a local IIS web site, by setting the "Enable Content
Expiration" header on a sub-web to "Immediate" as Tom described. I can
confirm that this caused the "Edit with Expression Web" (the equivalent of
the "Edit With FrontPage") menu item to be grayed out in IE. On another site
without this header, the menu item was enabled. So, that should confirm this
particular behavior. I was still able to view the page source code. A
possible explanation is that to edit the page in FrontPage or Expression
Web, IE must fetch the cached page from the Temporary Internet Files folder,
and since the page is not cached, it is unable to do so.

--
HTH,

Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP

DSI PrintManager, Miradyne Component Libraries:
http://www.miradyne.net

 

[Murray]

Yes, that's a good explanation! I had not thought of it as operating this
way. Thanks, Kevin!

 

[Tom Willett]

That's it, Kevin! Now I remember.
--
===
Tom Willett
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
---
FrontPage Support:
http://www.frontpagemvps.com/
===
| Hi Murray,
|
| I checked this out on a local IIS web site, by setting the "Enable Content
| Expiration" header on a sub-web to "Immediate" as Tom described. I can
| confirm that this caused the "Edit with Expression Web" (the equivalent of
| the "Edit With FrontPage") menu item to be grayed out in IE. On another
site
| without this header, the menu item was enabled. So, that should confirm
this
| particular behavior. I was still able to view the page source code. A
| possible explanation is that to edit the page in FrontPage or Expression
| Web, IE must fetch the cached page from the Temporary Internet Files
folder,
| and since the page is not cached, it is unable to do so.
|
| --
| HTH,
|
| Kevin Spencer
| Microsoft MVP
|
| DSI PrintManager, Miradyne Component Libraries:
| http://www.miradyne.net
|
| | > Yes - I'd love to know if this is correct. Let's see if Kevin can mount
a
| > page for us....
| >
| > --
| > Murray
| > --------------
| > MVP FrontPage
| >
| >
| > | >> Murray: It's been a long time since I've seen it, but, IIRC, the edit
| >> with
| >> icon could show as disabled when the host header configuration is set
up
| >> as
| >> discussed earlier.
| >> --
| >> ===
| >> Tom Willett
| >> Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
| >> ---
| >> FrontPage Support:
| >> http://www.frontpagemvps.com/
| >> ===
| >> | >> | What we are talking about here (unless I misunderstand) is -
| >> |
| >> | Why does the "edit with ..." icon appear to be disabled when some
pages
| >> are
| >> | opened, but not when others are.
| >> |
| >> | Are your comments directed at that issue?
| >> |
| >> | --
| >> | Murray
| >> | --------------
| >> | MVP FrontPage
| >> |
| >> |
| >> | | >> | > It doesn't affect the Edit With FP Icon from displaying, however it
| >> will
| >> | > block access to FP from opening the site.
| >> | >
| >> | > --
| >> | > ==============================================
| >> | > Thomas A. Rowe
| >> | > Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
| >> | >
| >> | > http://www.Ecom-Data.com
| >> | > ==============================================
| >> | >
| >> | >
| >> | > | >> | >>I don't see how that could affect my browser.
| >> | >>
| >> | >> --
| >> | >> Murray
| >> | >> --------------
| >> | >> MVP FrontPage
| >> | >>
| >> | >>
| >> | >> | >> | >>> Access via FP can also be block with Server-Side Scripting...
| >> | >>>
| >> | >>> --
| >> | >>> ==============================================
| >> | >>> Thomas A. Rowe
| >> | >>> Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
| >> | >>>
| >> | >>> http://www.Ecom-Data.com
| >> | >>> ==============================================
| >> | >>>
| >> | >>>
| >> | >>> | >> | >>>> Hmmm - sounds fishy to me. Once I have the page in my browser,
| >> the
| >> | >>>> host is out of the picture.
| >> | >>>>
| >> | >>>> --
| >> | >>>> Murray
| >> | >>>> --------------
| >> | >>>> MVP FrontPage
| >> | >>>>
| >> | >>>>
| >> | >>>> | >> | >>>>> The host can prohibit it from being used by certain settings on
| >> the
| >> | >>>>> server.
| >> | >>>>> I just forget how they do it. I think it has to do with cache
| >> | >>>>> settings or
| >> | >>>>> host headers, I just can't remember.
| >> | >>>>> --
| >> | >>>>> ===
| >> | >>>>> Tom Willett
| >> | >>>>> Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
| >> | >>>>> ---
| >> | >>>>> FrontPage Support:
| >> | >>>>> http://www.frontpagemvps.com/
| >> | >>>>> ===
| >> | >>>>> | >> | >>>>> |> It's usually a javascript that inhibits, not completely
| >> prohibits
| >> | >>>>> viewing.
| >> | >>>>> |
| >> | >>>>> | Not likely.
| >> | >>>>> |
| >> | >>>>> | I'm sure OP is talking about the icon on the IE toolbar that
| >> allows
| >> | >>>>> one to
| >> | >>>>> | edit the page in FP/Whatever. I've wondered about this
myself.
| >> | >>>>> |
| >> | >>>>> | --
| >> | >>>>> | Murray
| >> | >>>>> | --------------
| >> | >>>>> | MVP FrontPage
| >> | >>>>> |
| >> | >>>>> |
| >> | >>>>> | | >> | >>>>> | > The option is grayed out where? When you right click?
Under
| >> the
| >> | >>>>> View
| >> | >>>>> | > dropdown menu? It's usually a javascript that inhibits,
not
| >> | >>>>> completely
| >> | >>>>> | > prohibits viewing.
| >> | >>>>> | >
| >> | >>>>> | > "Mir" wrote:
| >> | >>>>> | >
| >> | >>>>> | >> I have learned a lot from "opening" others' websites in
| >> FrontPage
| >> | >>>>> to
| >> | >>>>> see
| >> | >>>>> | >> the
| >> | >>>>> | >> layouts and the relationship between Design view and Code
| >> view
| >> | >>>>> (or the
| >> | >>>>> | >> LACK
| >> | >>>>> | >> of table layout and an external css to open & study).
| >> | >>>>> | >> However, when I'm on some sites the option to do so is
| >> grayed
| >> | >>>>> out. Why?
| >> | >>>>> |
| >> | >>>>> |
| >> | >>>>>
| >> | >>>>>
| >> | >>>>
| >> | >>>>
| >> | >>>
| >> | >>>
| >> | >>
| >> | >>
| >> | >
| >> | >
| >> |
| >> |
| >>
| >>
| >
| >
|
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