Just a point

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Guest

I have answered 15 questions today from the very simple (if you know how) to
writing (for me) quite complex codes for other peoples applications.

I enjoy doing this as by looking at different problems I can only increase
my own experience and I know I don't have to "I simply enjoy it" that why I
do it.

I have also answered all the question in English which is also for me
difficult (Sono Italiano) once again this I enjoy.

Anyway - the point.

If any answers given freely assist you in your application - acknowledgment
would be appreciated. A simple one liner would be good enough and would take
no time at all or a click on the red button or come round for a cup of tea,
send a pigeon or whatever.

Just thought I'd mention it.
 
V

Van T. Dinh

From your posts, I would say English is definitely NOT a difficulty to you
....
 
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Guest

Ha ha ha Thank you so much - I put all my answers through Word 1st - you
get some mistakes but it is Ok most of the time with the gramer checker

My main point was that not one single person has acknowledge to answers - of
course they may be very busy but it would be polite

--
Wayne
Manchester, England.
Enjoy whatever it is you do


Van T. Dinh said:
From your posts, I would say English is definitely NOT a difficulty to you
....
 
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Guest

Hi Wayne,

People are not always so thoughtful about saying "Thanks" when they receive
help. Anyone who participates in the newsgroups, answering questions as you
have, knows this from experience. They may not understand an answer at all,
and not post back for clarification, or they may simply fail to take some
time to find the same thread and post a reply. Sometimes it takes a person
several days before they get back to you. For example:

http://www.microsoft.com/office/com...cess&mid=352d30e1-387e-4f53-8c71-c34a6438344f

Anyway, keep up the good work. Your translated English is really pretty good.


Tom Wickerath
Microsoft Access MVP

http://www.access.qbuilt.com/html/expert_contributors.html
http://www.access.qbuilt.com/html/search.html
__________________________________________
 
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David F Cox

Life changing moment:
When I was a schoolboy I was shivering at a bus stop when an old lady gave
me enough money to buy myself a hot sausage roll and a cup of tea. I
stammered my thanks, and asked "but how will I pay you back." She replied
"Don't pay it back, opay it forward, do the same for someone else."
I have been the recipient of so much unselfish guidance and assistance in my
career, some of which I now realise I was unaware of at the time. it has far
outweighed all of the **** that life holds. I cannot pay it back. I try to
pay a little forward, but I am still receiving far more than I am giving on
these forums. I do not want to spend my life saying "thank-you", and I do
not expect others to. (but it would be nice to know if some of my "guessing"
efforts were successful)

Tom Wickerath said:
Hi Wayne,

People are not always so thoughtful about saying "Thanks" when they
receive
help. Anyone who participates in the newsgroups, answering questions as
you
have, knows this from experience. They may not understand an answer at
all,
and not post back for clarification, or they may simply fail to take some
time to find the same thread and post a reply. Sometimes it takes a person
several days before they get back to you. For example:

http://www.microsoft.com/office/com...cess&mid=352d30e1-387e-4f53-8c71-c34a6438344f

Anyway, keep up the good work. Your translated English is really pretty
good.


Tom Wickerath
Microsoft Access MVP

http://www.access.qbuilt.com/html/expert_contributors.html
http://www.access.qbuilt.com/html/search.html
__________________________________________
 
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fredg

I have answered 15 questions today from the very simple (if you know how) to
writing (for me) quite complex codes for other peoples applications.

I enjoy doing this as by looking at different problems I can only increase
my own experience and I know I don't have to "I simply enjoy it" that why I
do it.

I have also answered all the question in English which is also for me
difficult (Sono Italiano) once again this I enjoy.

Anyway - the point.

If any answers given freely assist you in your application - acknowledgment
would be appreciated. A simple one liner would be good enough and would take
no time at all or a click on the red button or come round for a cup of tea,
send a pigeon or whatever.

Just thought I'd mention it.

It's a good thought, but don't hold your breath, Wayne.
 
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Granny Spitz via AccessMonster.com

David said:
I do not want to spend my life saying "thank-you", and I do
not expect others to.

I don't care what generation you were born into, good manners will never go
out of style. If someone else had enough time to give you a gift or do you a
favor, and you have enough time to accept that gift or favor, then you have
enough time to say a simple "thank you." No payback required. That's what
generosity and a civilized society are about.
 
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John Vinson

If any answers given freely assist you in your application - acknowledgment
would be appreciated. A simple one liner would be good enough and would take
no time at all or a click on the red button or come round for a cup of tea,
send a pigeon or whatever.

Just thought I'd mention it.

I agree, Wayne - and just let me say how much I (for one) appreciate
your generosity here. For quite a whild I've been downloading headers
and if I see that Wayne-I-M has answered, I'll just think "well, that
thread's well taken care of" and delete it (or, if I have some time,
read it to see what cleverness you've come up with this time).

It's in the nature of this group that acknowledgements come pretty few
and far between. I don't know whether questioners are embarrassed,
reluctant to "clutter" the group, or just take the volunteers' efforts
for granted (heck, there's probably quite a few folks who don't
realize that we're all volunteers and think we get PAID to do this).
But... your efforts are making a difference; thank you!

John W. Vinson[MVP]
 
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Arvin Meyer [MVP]

Granny said:
I don't care what generation you were born into, good manners will
never go out of style. If someone else had enough time to give you a
gift or do you a favor, and you have enough time to accept that gift
or favor, then you have enough time to say a simple "thank you." No
payback required. That's what generosity and a civilized society are
about.

Those of us that have been doing this for a long time (more than 10 years in
my case) do appreciate a thank you now and then. In reality though we get
one at best 5% or 10% of the time. I know I speak for many of the other MVPs
though when I say that the "thank you's" are merely extra icing on the cake.
We do this because we enjoy helping others and because we like to give back
what others have given us.
 
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Arvin Meyer [MVP]

Excellent. Thank you from myself and the other MVPs. Do you also answer
questions in the Italian Access newsgroup?
 
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Guest

1st of all can I can thank you to (not in any order) Van, Tom, David, Granny
Spitz(?), Arvin, Fredg and John for taking the time to answer my post.

I think you will understand when I say the message was not "aim" at those
people who contribute regularly. It was just that last night my wife was
answering a question in the FrontPage section (assumed name ??) and she spent
over an hour writing some html for someone and they didn't even acknowledge
the answer. I told her that it was the same in the access section so we
thought that we would put up this message (in access section and the
FrontPage types are - in her words - "way too cool"). We hope that maby just
1 of the people who I had answered to (of 15 yesterday) would answer.

You can see the results.

Oh well thanks again must dash it's my daughter Jenny birthday (she is 5
today) got a very mad bunch of children to round up (do they have a sheepdog
forum somewhere ?).
 
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David F Cox

I was born long enough ago to remember "please" and "thank-you", and know
their value. I also remember the old radio characters. "After you, Cecil,"
"No, after you, Claude.". Some folks do not have time for that. Sometime,
somewhere I hope to help those folks.
 
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Guest

This must be a little late but ok for what it is worth...... Thank you, thank
you, thank you, this is the best discussion group because of.... it's users
and helpers especialy its helpers you guys have taught me so much in the last
3 months. if i new were you all stayed ill send you some wine from SA Thanks
again.
 
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John Vinson

We hope that maby just
1 of the people who I had answered to (of 15 yesterday) would answer.

You can see the results.

:-{(

Unfortunately, most of the original posters never come back to even
read the group once their question is answered. There are exceptions
but as we've said, they're rare.
Oh well thanks again must dash it's my daughter Jenny birthday (she is 5
today) got a very mad bunch of children to round up (do they have a sheepdog
forum somewhere ?).

<LOL> Give her a big Happy Birthday and a hug from me!

John W. Vinson[MVP]
 
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Guest

Wayne, I see your point and I agree completely with you, but let me tell you
how things may look from the other side:

I always try to thank people, but I in some cases I wait until after I've
managed to resolve my issue. And if I don't understand a reply, I may
postpone dealing with the issue and work on something else first, and
therefore will not immediately thank the person who tried to answer my
question.
And if you didn't bookmark the thread, it'll be a real pain to try and find
it again due to the volume of questions posted here.
Some people may also just be embarrassed to ask for further clarification; I
know I am occasionally. Silly, I know. :)

Anyway, thank you and everybody else for all their help; I find it much more
useful than the built-in help or even my Access Bible that I bought.
 
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Smartin

Wayne-I-M said:
I have answered 15 questions today from the very simple (if you know how) to
writing (for me) quite complex codes for other peoples applications.

I enjoy doing this as by looking at different problems I can only increase
my own experience and I know I don't have to "I simply enjoy it" that why I
do it.

I have also answered all the question in English which is also for me
difficult (Sono Italiano) once again this I enjoy.

Anyway - the point.

If any answers given freely assist you in your application - acknowledgment
would be appreciated. A simple one liner would be good enough and would take
no time at all or a click on the red button or come round for a cup of tea,
send a pigeon or whatever.

Just thought I'd mention it.

Well said! I believe in giving credit where it's due, and if I ever
neglected to thank you for helping me out, please accept my sincere
thanks now.

Your kind is what makes this group great. I hope we never lose the
talent and willingness to help that are expressed here every day.

P.s. I never would have guessed you were not a native English speaker. (^:
 
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JK

Wayne,



As a rooky if I may.



I certainly agree with you. I categorize the "offender" into tow groups, The
"Seagulls" and the "Repeat Offenders".



The "seagulls" are those who fly in, crap all over the place and fly out.
They are the oncers. Had a question, maybe found the answer in the meantime
and don't bother to come back, or as don't use the "watch" flag. I ignore
those, we are not going to see them again anyway.



The repeat offenders are those who don't comment *at all*. Those who reply,
albeit to someone else, and "ignore" me are not offenders in my book, they
have the absolute right to choose the reply most suite to *them*. After all
this is not "Marcus of Queensbury" Forum.



As to the real offender, after a few they have violated their good
behaviour bond conditions a few time (5-7, no bookkeeping as such), as far
as I'm concerned they are in my "sin Bin". Most of them, I guess, belong to
the "me me me" generation. I see them every day.



Regards



Jacob
 
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Granny Spitz via AccessMonster.com

Wayne-I-M said:
My main point was that not one single person has acknowledge to answers - of
course they may be very busy but it would be polite

I'm going to play the Devil's advocate here because I went and checked who
would be so impolite to you. Hon, it's no where near as bad as you think.
You received 7 thank yous. And you didn't answer 15 questions. You
responded to 9 questions with 15 posts. You had to correct yourself several
times and you asked for more information several times, so if you subtract
those 5 posts, you received 7 thank yous for 10 helpful *answer* posts.
Arvin Meyer says MVPs only get thank yous 5 or 10% of the time, so you've got
about 10 times as many thank yous as they typically get. Pat yourself on the
back.

You say you have difficulty with the English language, so maybe that's why
you didn't notice some of the people thanked you for your responses, even
when your responses didn't answer their questions correctly. You may receive
several more thanks if you revisit those threads and give a correct answer to
the questions.

(Remember, I'm not trying to be critical. I'm playing the Devil's advocate
to show you why you probably didn't get the acknowledgements you expected on
so many of the threads.)

1) "Using Listbox to find records"
You asked John for more information. He responded with "Thanks for
responding" and gave the information you asked for. (This is the only post
made to your 9 questions after you started this thread. The other 6 thank
yous had already been posted.) You haven't replied to him, so we can't blame
him for not posting again, other that to ask "Wayne, where are you?"

2) "Make a number to a negative number"
Many people would rather not respond to an incorrect answer because they
don't want to embarrass the author. That's probably why you didn't get an
acknowledgement to your suggested solution. (It's close, but not correct.)

3) "Search Button in SubForm not Working"
Jen had a classic problem with a M:N relationship on a 1:M form. You assumed
she had the 1:M relationship in the form/subform reversed. (It happens to
the best of us). You gave her instructions on how to build a bound
main/subform, which she had already explained she'd built but couldn't search
through. Jen acknowledged your assistance with "Thanks for replying," "Many
thanks for your suggestion though," "Thanks for replying Wayne-I-M," and
"Thank you anyway for your help."

4) "Help with forms"
Your response was so vague that "Needy" is scratching his/her head, "How do I
get my 6 forms I've already built into two main forms with two tabs each
using the wizard? And how is that going to produce 6 separate lists?" Maybe
Needy will come back and ask you to be a little less vague, but Needy's
probably already asking his/her question elsewhere where Needy can get "help
with forms."

5) "'Enter parameter value' error message"
You responded "Have a look at John Vinson's answer on the post in the New
Users section The post is called - mystery pop-ups - this post was made
today" but you didn't provide a link. It left Aicha scratching his/her head,
"where's this 'new users section'?" which was no help at all. Aicha couldn't
find it and had to post back asking you to post John's answer and replied
"Thanks so much." Aicha's final reply was "Thanks so much for all your help
Wayne."

6) "phone input masks right to left"
Many people would rather not respond to an incorrect answer because they
don't want to embarrass the author. That's probably why you didn't get an
acknowledgement to your suggested solution. (It's very close, but not
correct.)

7) "is it possible"
Many people would rather not respond to an incorrect answer because they
don't want to embarrass the author. That's probably why you didn't get an
acknowledgement to your suggested solution. (You changed your first response
to an incorrect one. Dave may have only tried the last one you posted, since
you indicated so quickly the first one was wrong. It's very close, but not
correct.)
 
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Granny Spitz via AccessMonster.com

Arvin said:
Those of us that have been doing this for a long time (more than 10 years in
my case) do appreciate a thank you now and then. In reality though we get
one at best 5% or 10% of the time.

It turns out that Wayne received 7 thank yous out of the 9 questions he
posted his 15 replies to (6 thank yous before this thread started and 1 later)
. So people with good manners do frequent these newsgroups. As a matter of
fact, if MVPs are only getting thank yous 5 to 10% of the time, maybe the
MVPs should look into why Wayne's getting so many more. <g>
 
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Dirk Goldgar

Wayne-I-M said:
If any answers given freely assist you in your application -
acknowledgment would be appreciated. A simple one liner would be
good enough and would take no time at all or a click on the red
button or come round for a cup of tea,

and a biscuit?
send a pigeon or whatever.

Wayne, I just wanted to say that I think you're doing a great service by
answering questions, and I'm impressed that you're able to do so in
Engllish, if that's not your native language. It's really hard to
answer technical questions in a language not your own.

It's been my experience that many people in the newsgroups don't say
thank you, but they are far outweighed by the enthusiasm with which some
others do. Early on, I kept a message folder named "Successes" where I
saved all the really outstanding thank-yous I received. Any time I was
feeling down, I'd just look at a few of those and feel instantly better.
Being a married man, I did *not* keep a list of those newsgroup posters
who offered to have my baby. Maybe the best thank-you I ever received
wasn't even in the newsgroup; it was a card I got in the mail from the
Red Cross, informing me that a certain newgroup poster had made a
donation to their Disaster Relief Fund in my name.

After a while, I stopped saving thank-you messages, I guess because I
didn't need any more reassurance that I was doing good work. And while
I still occasionally feel a mild annoyance when I've gone to great
lengths to help someone and gotten no acknowledgement or reply, it
doesn't bother me so much. Often there may be extenuating circumstances
I don't know about, and besides, I just like answering questions and
finding solutions, whether anybody thanks me or not. So I'm really
answering as much for my own benefit as anybody else's, no?

My advice to you is to remember that you answer questions as a gift to
others (and probably out of the sheer enjoyment of it), and don't worry
so much about whether you get a thank you note from everyone. I assure
you, plenty of people in this community already appreciate you and what
you are doing, and you'll get all the gratitude you can use, if you give
it enough time.

With sincere appreciation,
 

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