Jet Tec - Everyone's talking about them, they must be good.

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Miss Perspicacia Tick

Arthur said:
Anyone interested in looking at a couple of studies done of 3rd Party
versus Epson ink cartridges and refill inks will find these two
publications quite interesting.

I suspect the studies were funded by Epson, but one would hope the
results are accurately reported.

The two articles are:

Test of Epson Ink Cartridges vs. Non-Epson Ink Cartridges, PDF:, This
summary report covers a study regarding page yield and reliability of
OEM vs. third-party ink cartridges.

Test of Epson Ink Cartridges vs. Non-Epson Ink Cartridges and Refill
Kits, PDF: This second summary report covers a study regarding page
yield and reliability of OEM vs. third-party ink cartridges/refill
kits.
and they can be read or downloaded at:

http://www.tpr.com/PubConference.htm

a third, very interesting article can be found on the same page under:

The PEARLS(TM) White Paper - Image Print Quality Considerations.

You may wish to look over the footnotes from the ink tests and try to
figure out which brands they might have been referring to, since they
do not mention them by name (too bad!).

Art
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Sorry, but unless we actually /know/ what 'Brand A' and 'Brand B' are it's
meaningless. It's like those washing powder ads where they test Daz, Ariel
or Persil against 'Brand X'. Unless we know what the other brands are it
just smacks of a huge advertisement for Epson.
 
H

Hecate

"Everyone is talking about Jet Tec"

On Wednesday I was at a meeting of the Scottish Photographic Circle, a
"Prints Only" Club where everyone now uses Computers.

The main subject of conversation was Printers and Papers, and the about to
be released R1800. I am certain I never once heard Jet Tec mentioned. I am
fairly certain I heard most of the conversations, so I am either getting
very much more deaf than I thought, or I must have fallen asleep at some
point.

Alas, old age and decrepitude must be coming along faster than ever, perhaps
I should just lie down and fold my arms on my chest.

What! Someone could be telling Porkie Pies to this Group. Oh surely not!
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LOL! The only 3rd party inks I ever hear get mentioned are Lyson,
Permajet and the US company MSI (?).
 
H

Hecate

Anyone interested in looking at a couple of studies done of 3rd Party
versus Epson ink cartridges and refill inks will find these two
publications quite interesting.
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Actually, they're absolutely useless because they don't state what
third party inks they used. Consequently you don't know if they've
used:

a. Cheap inks which you'd expect to give bad results (Most likely as
they wouldn't want to make Epson look bad now would they?) or

b. Good quality inks such as Permajet or Lyson (which, I'm sure would
have given rather more interesting results that Epson wouldn't like)

But we'll never know will we....
 
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measekite

It does sound like Epson hand picked the contestant while knowing what
the outcome would be.
 
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measekite

And Formulabs. First I heard of PermaJet. The funny thing about all of
the 3rd party sources that sell 3rd party ink is that they all say they
are compatible and they all say they meet some ISO standard but they do
not want to tell you the brand. They all put their name on some noname
brand and it is difficult to know what you are getting and also
difficult to know from purchase to purchase what you are getting from
the same source.

They are truly Brand X.

It could also be some lousey brand is being sold under many many
different names which could also explain why so many people are having
similar problems using the same Brand X under different names. I also
love the money back warranty. The purchaser gets back $25.00 and gives
up a $150.00 printer.

Hold on, before you drop your panties, I am talking about low level
Brand X inks.
 
A

AA Battery

And Formulabs. First I heard of PermaJet. The funny thing about all
of the 3rd party sources that sell 3rd party ink is that they all say
they are compatible
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Would you prefer they say nothing?

and they all say they meet some ISO standard
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A very closely followed standard of manufacturing to ensure quality and
consistency. It's for your own good.

but they do not want to tell you the brand. They all put their name
some noname brand and it is difficult to know what you are getting and >
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also difficult to know from purchase to purchase what you are getting
from the same source.
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Same with any store brand grocery item you buy. They don't tell you who
makes it. Does Canon tell you who makes their inks? They only put their
name on it. Don't bother calling them Monday, they won't tell you who
makes it.


They are truly Brand X.
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Be warned, EVERY ink cartridge (OEM or other) you put in your printer could
be its final one. That's just the way it is.
 
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Arthur Entlich

I agree that the lack of revelation of which inks are being tested
against the Epson inks is a major flaw, and I wonder why the company's
names weren't revealed. The only thing I can think of, other than not
wanting to wave too red a flag in from of the bull, is because the brand
names may not continue to correspond with the manufacturing source,
since some ink jet cartridge "manufacturers" are actually not making the
cartridges themselves and may change distributors.

Overall, however, I think it was less than forthright not to list the
other brands by name. Perhaps if enough people write the testing lab,
they might reveal that information.

Art
 
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Arthur Entlich

As I mentioned, I agree. I wonder if enough people were to contact the
testing lab if they would consider revealing the inks by brand name.

Art
 
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measekite

AA said:
Would you prefer they say nothing?
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But most of it is bullshit.
A very closely followed standard of manufacturing to ensure quality and
consistency. It's for your own good.




also difficult to know from purchase to purchase what you are getting




Same with any store brand grocery item you buy. They don't tell you who
makes it. Does Canon tell you who makes their inks? They only put their
name on it. Don't bother calling them Monday, they won't tell you who
makes it.
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A no name brand of peas cannot render you printer useless. Dell private
brands also but they will tell you their printers and inks are Lexmark.

Canon is a 1st party mfg. If they have someone make their carts it is
their design and under their control. It is not some fly by night
retail outfit that has a website and cannot even write good English.
Be warned, EVERY ink cartridge (OEM or other) you put in your printer could
be its final one. That's just the way it is.
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I do not believe that is true. Again, most of the problems people have
with their printers come from CHEAP BRAND X 3RD PARTY INKS. There are
some sources who sell in a large quantity that have developed a
reputation. Their websites are usually informative and they will tell
you who makes the ink they sell; be it Lyson or Formulabs etc.
 
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measekite

That is a good answer. Tired of reading about fly by nights saying they
adhere to a standard that does not relate to quality. I would like to
see comparative reviews of all of the bulk inks and carts including the
real mfg. That you get the retail sources who say our ink is:"XXXXX"
that has a decent reputation only to find out that brand is only for
their bulk inks while their prefill carts are something else and you
cannot tell what they are.

colinco wrote:
 
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measekite

On of the problems is that Brand X uses Mfg Z today and Mfg Y tomorrow
claiming that their quality is consistent. You never know. With all
but a few, it seems that people are having problems. Comparative
testing will identify those few. When that happens, I think the
problems people have with 3rd party inks will reduce.

Personally, I think Epson hand picked its competitors because they
anticipated the results and used these results for their own gain.
However, we will never know the results of a real independent test.
 
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measekite

It may not be their call. They may have a non-disclosure agreement with
Epson.

Arthur said:
As I mentioned, I agree. I wonder if enough people were to contact
the testing lab if they would consider revealing the inks by brand name.

Art
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Burt

Measkite - your statements about non-OEM inks are not from personal
experience but represent your distillation of the posts you have read. Many
of the posts are made by people like me who have had excellent results with
non-OEM inks and carts. My guess is that someone who has had a problem is
more likely to post a complaint than someone who has used these materials
successfully. Still, the preponderance of posts about aftermarket inks I
have seen are positive. Inkjet printers will clog, even with OEM inks, if
used infrequently. After prolonged use they can clog when dried ink buildup
occurs. Low humidity conditions can cause clogs. OEM inks do not guarantee
lack of clogs, and high quality non-OEM inks do not guarantee destruction of
your printer! I am certain that some of the complaints people make about
printer problems they blame on non-oem inks would have also occurred with
OEM inks under the same circumstances. There are certainly some junk
products out there, but there are also high quality non-OEM inks and carts
(much cheaper than OEM) that give consistantly good results. I know because
I have used them. I prefer authoritative statements from individuals who
have used the products and report from personal experience.
 
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Hecate

That is a good answer. Tired of reading about fly by nights saying they
adhere to a standard that does not relate to quality. I would like to
see comparative reviews of all of the bulk inks and carts including the
real mfg. That you get the retail sources who say our ink is:"XXXXX"
that has a decent reputation only to find out that brand is only for
their bulk inks while their prefill carts are something else and you
cannot tell what they are.
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Me too. Whenever they try 3rd party inks in tests they always use the
ones you *know* are going to be crap.
 
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Hecate

There are certainly some junk
products out there, but there are also high quality non-OEM inks and carts
(much cheaper than OEM) that give consistantly good results.
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Yes, that's true and exactly what we've been saying if you read the
thread. The point is that, in almost all cases, the quality of the ink
is in direct relation to the cost of said inks, at least as far as 3rd
party inks go.
 
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Hecate

It may not be their call. They may have a non-disclosure agreement with
Epson.
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Of course. Otherwise Epson wouldn't have allowed the tests in the
first place. :)
 
A

ato_zee

Yes, that's true and exactly what we've been saying if you read the
thread. The point is that, in almost all cases, the quality of the ink
is in direct relation to the cost of said inks, at least as far as 3rd
party inks go.
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What nobody seems to have mentioned is that refill kits should
be formulated for the printer brand. Like you need HP, Canon and
Epson refill kits. I suspect (from experience) that some inks
may not mix with the old ink, maybe gel, precipitate, or be the
wrong pH/viscosity or whatever.
Not to mention the wrong colour balance.
 
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Hecate

What nobody seems to have mentioned is that refill kits should
be formulated for the printer brand. Like you need HP, Canon and
Epson refill kits. I suspect (from experience) that some inks
may not mix with the old ink, maybe gel, precipitate, or be the
wrong pH/viscosity or whatever.
Not to mention the wrong colour balance.
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Yes. I agree. I've even seen adverts for "universal" inks. More like
universal crap :)
 
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BernBennett

After reading through all the waffle and repeat quotes on this thread,
some plain facts from an experienced JetTec user.

Four years of using JetTec inks in a Canon BJC8200.
Only once had a partially blocked Magenta nozzle; cleared in a couple
of hours soaking in JetTec Cartridge Flush.
Only one faulty cartridge in all this time, again a magenta one,
replaced immediately and without question, not with one tank but a
complete set of six!!

Colours are as good as Canon OEM, and have recently printed some
photos of a colourful Far-Eastern wedding, and even the original
photographer remarked on the quality.

So as you can see, I am a very satisfied JetTec user, and with tanks
about a third of the cost of Canon's, I would soon recover the cost
of a new printhead should I need one.
 
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