It's all over for the P4

R

RusH

AD. said:
I seem to remember the i820 chipset (yes that one) supporting rambus
memory.

I seem to remember the i820 chipset ... had errors and was rolled back
from the market

Pozdrawiam.
 
Y

Yousuf Khan

RusH said:
I seem to remember the i820 chipset ... had errors and was rolled back
from the market

Actually, no, the i820 had no problems with RDRAM, it worked fine, albeit
just slowly. It was actually slower than the more primitive i815 chipset
which used just single-channel SDR, but still outperformed the RDR. The 820
had a secondary problem when using a Memory Hub Translator which converted
SDR signals into RDR signals. The MHT had "signal integrity" problems or
something like that. :)

Yousuf Khan
 
E

Ed

n Mon, 10 May 2004 06:00:06 GMT, "Yousuf Khan"
Sounds like what Intel needs to design is an Athlon 64/Opteron. :)

Yousuf Khan

Intel needs to design something to compete with AMD's K9, forget the K8.
 
K

KR Williams

Well of course it would, because it worked so well in the umm, NetBust
architecture.:)

Intel's P4 and Rambust woulda conquered the world, if the
opposing "organization" of Macdonald, Kent, Hill, Kahn, Carbon,
and Williams, weren't so blasphemous. The venerable lawfirm of
Rambust, Shambust, and Scambust could never recover. Of
"Course" some tried, but it was by then futile. ...and it's all
*YOUR* fault George!

The one thing they missed was calling their uncle RICO. ...what a
racket!
 
K

KR Williams

The last few weeks has been quite striking though - even threw in a coupla
square waves. Hey, i-i-i-it's integrating..... naw, i-i-i-it's
differentiating.

Give us a hint of the second-derivitave and we can all make some
cash off the differentials. ;-) OTOH, I don't think I could
touch that money. Liek M$, ...too dirty.
 
G

George Macdonald

Actually, no, the i820 had no problems with RDRAM, it worked fine, albeit
just slowly. It was actually slower than the more primitive i815 chipset
which used just single-channel SDR, but still outperformed the RDR. The 820
had a secondary problem when using a Memory Hub Translator which converted
SDR signals into RDR signals. The MHT had "signal integrity" problems or
something like that. :)

The word from "inside Intel" was that although the problem was aggravated
by the MTH the real problem was the DRDRAM channel's "negative timing
margin":
http://www.reed-electronics.com/ele...t=article&articleId=CA50587&rid=0&rme=0&cfd=1
This was also illustrated by the reduction in RIMM count per channel - the
mbrd recall at the 11th hour. Even 6months or so later, around the time
when the MTH was withdrawn, Dell had a 3month backlog on PC800 DRDRAM
systems and encouraged people to just take the PC600 stuff. Yes the i820
and the i840 both had problems.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??
 
C

chrisv

Intel to 'ditch' Pentium 4 core after Prescott

P4's not a bad chip in it's Northwood/.13um iteration, which is what
it was mainly designed for. (I believe that all new CPU's are
designed for one process generation ahead of what's available upon
release.)

Too bad it turned out to be a "one generation wonder"....
 
J

Jan Panteltje

Intel's P4 and Rambust woulda conquered the world, if the
opposing "organization" of Macdonald, Kent, Hill, Kahn, Carbon,
and Williams,
You are seriously misinformed, that last name had nothing to do with it.
JP
 
K

KR Williams

You are seriously misinformed, that last name had nothing to do with it.

Jan, you ignorant slut, I was referring to *technical*
discussions that happened *years* ago, which you've shown that
you cannot grasp ("technical", "years", nor "discussion"). The
regulars here know exactly the issues involved. As usual, you
haven't a ****ing clue what you're talking about. Perhaps you'd
like to brush up on the local personalities and some group
history before you make such a fool of yourself again.

Nah! You too much like being the class fool.
 
G

George Macdonald

You are seriously misinformed, that last name had nothing to do with it.

Your windmill is err, tilting Jan.;-)

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??
 
G

George Macdonald

Give us a hint of the second-derivitave and we can all make some
cash off the differentials. ;-) OTOH, I don't think I could
touch that money. Liek M$, ...too dirty.

Call up Martha... see what Sam thinks??

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??
 
G

George Macdonald

Intel's P4 and Rambust woulda conquered the world, if the
opposing "organization" of Macdonald, Kent, Hill, Kahn, Carbon,
and Williams, weren't so blasphemous. The venerable lawfirm of
Rambust, Shambust, and Scambust could never recover. Of
"Course" some tried, but it was by then futile. ...and it's all
*YOUR* fault George!

Oh I'll accept some of the uhh, blame, along with the rest of you:) but in
here it was really mostly the work of John Corse himself. I recall telling
him he was doing more damage than good for his cause but he just kept right
on going.
The one thing they missed was calling their uncle RICO. ...what a
racket!

Ya don't think we're gonna all get an offer we "can't refuse"?

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??
 
K

KR Williams

Oh I'll accept some of the uhh, blame, along with the rest of you:) but in
here it was really mostly the work of John Corse himself. I recall telling
him he was doing more damage than good for his cause but he just kept right
on going.


Ya don't think we're gonna all get an offer we "can't refuse"?

Actually, I'd rather like "an offer that I cannot refuse". (21
calendar days 'til 30 years time served '-).
 
S

Stacey

KR said:
As usual, you
haven't a ****ing clue what you're talking about. Perhaps you'd
like to brush up on the local personalities...

Nah!  You too much like being the class fool.

Perhaps you'd like to brush up -your- personality?

Nah! You too much like being the class jackass.
 
G

George Macdonald

Sam Walton? I don't think he has much on his mind anymore. Well
he has the dirt on 'em. ;-)

No - Sam Waksal, the guy who was the principal at ImClone... the one who
err, didn't tell her that the stock was gonna tank the next day.:)

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??
 
K

KR Williams

Perhaps you'd like to brush up -your- personality?

Perhaps you'd like to follow along a bit.
Nah! You too much like being the class jackass.

Oh, why thank you! You and Jan can have a good time kissy-
facing. Meanwhile, if you want to *learn* anything about the
business, perhaps you might want to listen a little more and yak
a little less.

Another moron heard from...
 

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