is this a bad hard-drive?

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Mike in Nebraska

HD is a Seagate 40GB ATA internal drive (model # ST340014A). I'm replacing a
failed Seagate (same model). Put it in a working PC, saw it in Disk Manager
and formatted it in NTFS. Once that was complete, the word "Healthy" was
seen in DM.
Plugged it into the old PC so I could boot to CD and reinstall the OS, but I
see no messages on the monitor. The video on/off light just slowly blinks
on and off like it's not getting a signal. Checked all the cables and they
seem to be firmly seated. The HD spins up, but it's not as loud/active as I
expect it to be. Plus, when I try a Ctrl-Alt-Delete after awhile, I hear
two sharp noises/beeps from the HD.

I'm not a HW guy at all, so don't know what the significance of this is, if
any.

If none, any suiggestions on what to try next?
 
P

Paul

Mike said:
HD is a Seagate 40GB ATA internal drive (model # ST340014A). I'm replacing a
failed Seagate (same model). Put it in a working PC, saw it in Disk Manager
and formatted it in NTFS. Once that was complete, the word "Healthy" was
seen in DM.
Plugged it into the old PC so I could boot to CD and reinstall the OS, but I
see no messages on the monitor. The video on/off light just slowly blinks
on and off like it's not getting a signal. Checked all the cables and they
seem to be firmly seated. The HD spins up, but it's not as loud/active as I
expect it to be. Plus, when I try a Ctrl-Alt-Delete after awhile, I hear
two sharp noises/beeps from the HD.

I'm not a HW guy at all, so don't know what the significance of this is, if
any.

If none, any suiggestions on what to try next?

When you start a functional computer, the first thing you should see
is the BIOS startup screen. The BIOS runs, before the OS starts to boot.

If the machine has a full screen logo, it may cover the screen until the
OS starts to boot. If the BIOS doesn't use a logo (graphic) to cover the
screen, then you should see text messages of the progress the BIOS is making.
For example, the BIOS does a quick memory test, before starting to boot
the OS from the hard drive.

Even if the hard drive was defective, you should still see the startup
messages of the BIOS. That is because, the processor, memory, and BIOS
chip are still functional, and can talk to the video card and write
stuff on the screen. The only thing a broken hard drive would prevent,
would be disk detection, and booting.

If you aren't seeing any video on the screen at all, then something
else has happened.

Try disconnecting the hard drive, and power up the machine again,
and see if the BIOS screen shows up. It should complain about
not being able to find something to boot with. But at least you
should be seeing a BIOS screen of some sort.

If the computer is working, after a fashion, you can do something
like pull the RAM sticks (with the power off and the cord unplugged).
When you power up the computer, the computer speaker should emit a
beep pattern, indicating it has detected no RAM present. The fact
that it can beep (but not show any video), tells you the processor
is working, and some of the BIOS code got executed.

By removing hardware from the machine, you can simplify the setup.
And the results of the various test cases, can tell you something
about the function of the machine.

When I build a new computer, I run all those test cases. I start
with an empty motherboard, and power supply, and check that the
power button starts up the power supply. I add the processor, and
the case speaker, and verify that the speaker beeps the "missing
RAM pattern". I add RAM, and listen for the "missing video card"
beep pattern. Add a video card, and see a text message on the screen
that the keyboard (and/or mouse) are missing. Add keyboard and mouse,
and see a message that there is no hard drive to boot from.

You can go through that whole sequence of adding stuff, and tell
from the results, whether your hardware is working or not. If
any test case returns contrary results, a hardware swap is the
fastest way to resolve what is busted.

Right now, it sounds like motherboard or power supply, but time
will tell.

Some computers have notorious failure modes. For example, there is
one prebuilt computer, that when the power supply fails, it
damages the motherboard. Sort of a double whammy for the user.
If you mention the brand and model of computer, sometimes a
respondent can tell you what to expect from it.

Paul
 
S

smlunatick

HD is a Seagate 40GB ATA internal drive (model # ST340014A). I'm replacinga
failed Seagate (same model).  Put it in a working PC, saw it in Disk Manager
and formatted it in NTFS.  Once that was complete, the word "Healthy" was
seen in DM.
Plugged it into the old PC so I could boot to CD and reinstall the OS, butI
see no messages on the monitor.  The video on/off light just slowly blinks
on and off like it's not getting a signal.  Checked all the cables and they
seem to be firmly seated.  The HD spins up, but it's not as loud/active as I
expect it to be.  Plus, when I try a Ctrl-Alt-Delete after awhile, I hear
two sharp noises/beeps from the HD.

I'm not a HW guy at all, so don't know what the significance of this is, if
any.

If none, any suiggestions on what to try next?

--
Mike Webb
Platte River Whooping Crane Maintenance Trust, Inc.
a conservation non-profit (501 (c)(3)) organization
Wood River, NE

Doing a fresh install, then the drive does not have to be formatted
before installing XP. The install process does the formatting when
needed.

Hard drives do not beep. It seems that you may have additional
problems with the PC. Check to see if all add-on cards are seated
correctly, including the video card. Check the RAM and all cables.
 
M

Mike in Nebraska

The PCwas built by the vendor I use - a non-name.

Many thanks for the other ideas!
 
M

Mike in Nebraska

Will do.
HD is a Seagate 40GB ATA internal drive (model # ST340014A). I'm replacing
a
failed Seagate (same model). Put it in a working PC, saw it in Disk
Manager
and formatted it in NTFS. Once that was complete, the word "Healthy" was
seen in DM.
Plugged it into the old PC so I could boot to CD and reinstall the OS, but
I
see no messages on the monitor. The video on/off light just slowly blinks
on and off like it's not getting a signal. Checked all the cables and they
seem to be firmly seated. The HD spins up, but it's not as loud/active as
I
expect it to be. Plus, when I try a Ctrl-Alt-Delete after awhile, I hear
two sharp noises/beeps from the HD.

I'm not a HW guy at all, so don't know what the significance of this is,
if
any.

If none, any suiggestions on what to try next?

--
Mike Webb
Platte River Whooping Crane Maintenance Trust, Inc.
a conservation non-profit (501 (c)(3)) organization
Wood River, NE

Doing a fresh install, then the drive does not have to be formatted
before installing XP. The install process does the formatting when
needed.

Hard drives do not beep. It seems that you may have additional
problems with the PC. Check to see if all add-on cards are seated
correctly, including the video card. Check the RAM and all cables.
 
M

Mike in Nebraska

Thanks, gents. I went to basics.

I had installed more RAM prior to the "new" HD so I put the old back in and
took out the HD. No good. Then I looked at the back of the PC (closely)
and saw that I have 3 places to plug in a monitor. The main board and a
dual monitor card. I'd had it operating for the last couple years in dual
monitor mode so I connected the monitor to the input I used for Monitor 1.
Got the BIOS on-screen this time. Turned off, installed the HD and it "saw"
the HD right away.

I'm back in business! Thanks!
Mike
 
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Big Al

Mike said:
HD is a Seagate 40GB ATA internal drive (model # ST340014A). I'm replacing a
failed Seagate (same model). Put it in a working PC, saw it in Disk Manager
and formatted it in NTFS. Once that was complete, the word "Healthy" was
seen in DM.
Plugged it into the old PC so I could boot to CD and reinstall the OS, but I
see no messages on the monitor. The video on/off light just slowly blinks
on and off like it's not getting a signal. Checked all the cables and they
seem to be firmly seated. The HD spins up, but it's not as loud/active as I
expect it to be. Plus, when I try a Ctrl-Alt-Delete after awhile, I hear
two sharp noises/beeps from the HD.

I'm not a HW guy at all, so don't know what the significance of this is, if
any.

If none, any suiggestions on what to try next?
Some ribbon cables on HD's will plug in reversed. There should be a
key on it to stop that but that's not 100%. Look at the drive. The
ide connector might be labeled on the drive circuit board as to which
end of the connector is pin 1 and which is pin 40. The ribbon cable
has a colored wire on pin 1. Match them.
Also if you put the drive in on the 1st pc to format it, you may have
put it in as slave. If you have only one drive in the new PC, it should
be master. There are jumpers on the back of the drive for master /
slave. And the manufacturer should have supplied you with docs on how
to set those up. That or download the specs from seagate. And then
again sometimes they are printed on the drive itself.
Between the ribbon cable and the M/S jumpers you can make the drive not
work. Normally you don't hurt anything, it just don't boot.
 
M

Mike in Nebraska

Good info, thanks!

Big Al said:
Some ribbon cables on HD's will plug in reversed. There should be a key
on it to stop that but that's not 100%. Look at the drive. The ide
connector might be labeled on the drive circuit board as to which end of
the connector is pin 1 and which is pin 40. The ribbon cable has a
colored wire on pin 1. Match them.
Also if you put the drive in on the 1st pc to format it, you may have put
it in as slave. If you have only one drive in the new PC, it should be
master. There are jumpers on the back of the drive for master / slave.
And the manufacturer should have supplied you with docs on how to set
those up. That or download the specs from seagate. And then again
sometimes they are printed on the drive itself.
Between the ribbon cable and the M/S jumpers you can make the drive not
work. Normally you don't hurt anything, it just don't boot.
 
S

smlunatick

You need to note that SATA cables are not ribbon cables can usually can only
be connected one way.
 
B

Big Al

smlunatick said:
You need to note that SATA cables are not ribbon cables can usually can only
be connected one way.
True, but OP said he was replacing and ATA drive.
 
S

smlunatick

OOPS! Weekend was too long. I was reading the ATA as SATA. I guess Monday
should considered to be done.
 

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