Is Restart the same as Turn Off and Turn On

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Is Restart (windows and the computer) the same as Turn Off and Turn On?

I always thought so, but I think I've noticed that updates that would be
installed when one turns the computer off, are not installed when one
restarts the computer.
 
micky said:
Is Restart (windows and the computer) the same as Turn Off and Turn On?

I always thought so, but I think I've noticed that updates that would be
installed when one turns the computer off, are not installed when one
restarts the computer.
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But can't the decision be made "on the way down" ?

As the computer is entering either the "OFF" state, or
it is preparing for the Restart, it could make note
of the fact what is is supposed to be doing. And then it
doesn't have to think about it, when the OS starts
up next, because it already has a record of what
it is supposed to be doing.

To test this, you could select Restart, allow the
BIOS screen to start painting, press the key to enter
the BIOS. And now, you're looking at the main BIOS
page, with the clock on it. When sitting in the BIOS,
you can use the power switch to turn off the computer.
If it can truly detect "how it got there" on the next
startup, it would do its "power off and on" behavior.
Whereas if it records what it's about to do, it
would still be using the info that a Restart had
been scheduled. So you can attempt to fool it, and
then see how it responds. That would tell you whether
it makes note of what to do "on the way down", or it
is actually figuring out what happened "on the way up".

Paul
 
But can't the decision be made "on the way down" ?

As the computer is entering either the "OFF" state, or
it is preparing for the Restart, it could make note
of the fact what is is supposed to be doing. And then it
doesn't have to think about it, when the OS starts
up next, because it already has a record of what
it is supposed to be doing.
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Sure, but does it work that way?
To test this, you could select Restart, allow the
BIOS screen to start painting, press the key to enter
the BIOS. And now, you're looking at the main BIOS
page, with the clock on it. When sitting in the BIOS,
you can use the power switch to turn off the computer.
If it can truly detect "how it got there" on the next
startup, it would do its "power off and on" behavior.
Whereas if it records what it's about to do, it
would still be using the info that a Restart had
been scheduled. So you can attempt to fool it, and
then see how it responds. That would tell you whether
it makes note of what to do "on the way down", or it
is actually figuring out what happened "on the way up".
Click to expand...

Actually I was thinking of the part of shut down when it says someihing
like, well i forget what it says, but it counts up or counts down he
updates its installing and the screen changes back and forth between "Do
not turn off he computer. It will turn off on its own" and the message
about installing updates.

And I've noticed after one presses Windows / Turn Off Computer and the
little box with 3 choices comes up, that the shield superscript
representing Install Updates is only on the middle one, Turn Off, and
not on Restart. That's what means to me that the updates are not
installed with Restart.

Another thing that had confused me, I think, is that lots of software
updates, including antivirus sometimes, tell you to restart the computer
to finalize the software update. I'm sure that works when AND FOR THAT
WHICH tells you to do it, but now I think it doesn't work for Windows
Update security updates, for example.
 
Is Restart (windows and the computer) the same as Turn Off and Turn On?

I always thought so, but I think I've noticed that updates that would be
installed when one turns the computer off, are not installed when one
restarts the computer.
Click to expand...

Another issue may be whether certain hardware components have had
enough time to completely reset prior to the system coming back up. On
an older system, I needed to wait for about 30 seconds for the network
card to totally quiesce.
 
I only see on the turn off selection screen, to click "Turn Off" to allow it to install, not Restart. You could select "Turn off" and then, once complete. It only restarts to complete updates, not install them. Also, look atyour taskbar by the clock and see if there is an install updates button, which upon rolling over will read, "Updates are ready to be installed. Clickhere to install updates. If that is there, then click that, let it install, then restart at the completed install prompt.
 
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