Is it possible to use ATA and SATA at the samer time.

[yogi]

Seasons greetings to the members of this group.

I am new to the workings of SATA, I have not taken a lot of notice of
it as I have been happy using the old ATA setup, but my P4C800 Deluxe
is getting old and I currently have 2 IDE hard drives on the first IDE
port and a DVD burner and a CD-ROM drive on the second IDE port.

I am slowly buying components to build a new computer, I wanted to buy
a SATA DVD burner and replace both of the existing DVD and CD drives.

I currently have a new Motherboard, CPU, Heatsink Fan and DDR2 ram,
waiting on Hard Drives, Video Card and Power Supply.

Is it possible to leave my 2 ATA IDE hard drives as they are for the
moment and plug the new SATA DVD burner into one of the SATA ports on
the old P4C800 board?

Grateful for any assistance.

Keith

 

[Jan Alter]

Seasons greetings to the members of this group.

I am new to the workings of SATA, I have not taken a lot of notice of
it as I have been happy using the old ATA setup, but my P4C800 Deluxe
is getting old and I currently have 2 IDE hard drives on the first IDE
port and a DVD burner and a CD-ROM drive on the second IDE port.

I am slowly buying components to build a new computer, I wanted to buy
a SATA DVD burner and replace both of the existing DVD and CD drives.

I currently have a new Motherboard, CPU, Heatsink Fan and DDR2 ram,
waiting on Hard Drives, Video Card and Power Supply.

Is it possible to leave my 2 ATA IDE hard drives as they are for the
moment and plug the new SATA DVD burner into one of the SATA ports on
the old P4C800 board?

Grateful for any assistance.

Keith

Of course

 

[spodosaurus]

Of course

Yeah, why not?

Don't just swap the hard drives to a new motherboard and expect the OS
to load, though.

Make sure you get enough SATA ports on the new motherboard to handle
your SATA optical drives and any SATA hard drives. Also, if you want to
continue using your PATA drives on a new motherboard, then make sure it
has at least one IDE connector to accomodate two drives.

I'm currently running 2 SATA HDDs and 3 PATA HDDs on my linux box.

Cheers,

Ari

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[Frank McCoy]

Yeah, why not?

Don't just swap the hard drives to a new motherboard and expect the OS
to load, though.

Make sure you get enough SATA ports on the new motherboard to handle
your SATA optical drives and any SATA hard drives. Also, if you want to
continue using your PATA drives on a new motherboard, then make sure it
has at least one IDE connector to accomodate two drives.

Had a hell of a time finding a new motherboard with both two IDE
connectors and even one parallel-port; but I finally did.

What's annoying is that most motherboards these days only support ONE
floppy drive; which is silly because supporting two is only *software*.
Geesh! Just a few more bytes in the BIOS. It makes you wonder what
they think they're saving money on.

 

[yogi]

Yeah, why not?

Don't just swap the hard drives to a new motherboard and expect the OS
to load, though.

Make sure you get enough SATA ports on the new motherboard to handle
your SATA optical drives and any SATA hard drives. Also, if you want to
continue using your PATA drives on a new motherboard, then make sure it
has at least one IDE connector to accomodate two drives.

I'm currently running 2 SATA HDDs and 3 PATA HDDs on my linux box.

Cheers,

Ari

Hello Ari

I am in the process of a complete rebuild, at least I am in the
process of purchasing the parts I will need for the rebuild.

I have already purchased the motherboard, but I will wait until I have
all that I need before I will do the rebuild. I am looking to get the
new DVD burner as soon as possible because the player I have is ready
for the bin, and if I am going to get a new one, then I might as well
get a SATA as that is where the IT market is.

The P4C800 Deluxe I have at the moment has SATA ports, and I was
thinking of swapping out my old optical drives as soon as possible
while waiting for the remaining parts for the rebuild.

The new system will have SATA hard drives, but for the moment I was
wandering if it were possible to remove the 2 IDE optical drives and
add the new SATA DVD burner into my existing P4C800 using one of the
SATA ports. If the P4C800 has SATA ports, It should have the drivers,
I have Windows XP SP2 installed.
Cheers
Keith

My New Motherboard:
http://www.gamedude.com.au/prod_show.php?art_no=mbABfp_in9_sli_fatal1ty

 

[spodosaurus]

Hello Ari

I am in the process of a complete rebuild, at least I am in the
process of purchasing the parts I will need for the rebuild.

I have already purchased the motherboard, but I will wait until I have
all that I need before I will do the rebuild. I am looking to get the
new DVD burner as soon as possible because the player I have is ready
for the bin, and if I am going to get a new one, then I might as well
get a SATA as that is where the IT market is.

The P4C800 Deluxe I have at the moment has SATA ports, and I was
thinking of swapping out my old optical drives as soon as possible
while waiting for the remaining parts for the rebuild.

The new system will have SATA hard drives, but for the moment I was
wandering if it were possible to remove the 2 IDE optical drives and
add the new SATA DVD burner into my existing P4C800 using one of the
SATA ports. If the P4C800 has SATA ports, It should have the drivers,
I have Windows XP SP2 installed.

Download the latest drives for your P4C800's chipset just in case,
Keith. You should have no issue removing the IDE optical devices and
switching to the SATA optical devices as long as you have sufficient
SATA ports (and if not, you'll need an add on card).

If your P4C800's BIOS is not configured to detect the IDE devices
automatically (and is instead set to a specific type of device) than
after you remove the devices enter BIOS and change the settings for
where those IDE optical devices formerly resided to 'auto'.

There should be no problem running IDE hard drives and SATA optical
drives in the same PC. I run a mixture of IDE and SATA hard drives with
usb optical drives as I've run out of IDE and SATA ports (and the heat
generated by five hard drives is quite enough, thank you! heh).

Ari



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[spodosaurus]

Had a hell of a time finding a new motherboard with both two IDE
connectors and even one parallel-port; but I finally did.

Are two IDEs getting that rare?

We had to buy a couple of PCI serial port cards for the new Dell systems
- usb to serial didn't work (not altogether surprised at that, I've seen
lots of usb adapters just plain not work).

What's annoying is that most motherboards these days only support ONE
floppy drive; which is silly because supporting two is only *software*.
Geesh! Just a few more bytes in the BIOS. It makes you wonder what
they think they're saving money on.

Hmmm, that /is/ odd. Thanks for the heads up.


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http://www.marrow.org/

 

[jaster]

Seasons greetings to the members of this group.

I am new to the workings of SATA, I have not taken a lot of notice of it
as I have been happy using the old ATA setup, but my P4C800 Deluxe is
getting old and I currently have 2 IDE hard drives on the first IDE port
and a DVD burner and a CD-ROM drive on the second IDE port.

I am slowly buying components to build a new computer, I wanted to buy a
SATA DVD burner and replace both of the existing DVD and CD drives.

I currently have a new Motherboard, CPU, Heatsink Fan and DDR2 ram,
waiting on Hard Drives, Video Card and Power Supply.

Is it possible to leave my 2 ATA IDE hard drives as they are for the
moment and plug the new SATA DVD burner into one of the SATA ports on
the old P4C800 board?

Grateful for any assistance.

Keith

Why would you waste a SATA port on a DVD burner? The IDEs will work
with SATA and I think more users have SATA HDs with IDE DVD/CD burners
than vice versus. ESATA port and external DVD maybe.

You should have waited until you could buy all the new components or at
least enough components to run the new system. Now you're wasting the m/
b's warranty period waiting, not to forget prices may drop while you're
shopping.

 

[PeterC]

Why would you waste a SATA port on a DVD burner? The IDEs will work
with SATA and I think more users have SATA HDs with IDE DVD/CD burners
than vice versus. ESATA port and external DVD maybe.

I wish that I had used a SATA for the new burner.
I want to fit a PATA HD, have only 1 IDE connector on the mobo and can't
find a cable with sufficient space between the connectors to wire in both.
The HD is near the bottom and the burner near the top, so I need at least
100cm with about 30/70 split; any I've seen are the wrong way round.
Looks as if it's about 10x the money for an adaptor :-(

(Plenty of SATA left).

 

[Paul]

I wish that I had used a SATA for the new burner.
I want to fit a PATA HD, have only 1 IDE connector on the mobo and can't
find a cable with sufficient space between the connectors to wire in both.
The HD is near the bottom and the burner near the top, so I need at least
100cm with about 30/70 split; any I've seen are the wrong way round.
Looks as if it's about 10x the money for an adaptor :-(

(Plenty of SATA left).

Why can't you stick the 3.5" drive in a 5.25" bay ? That
way the drives can be next to one another, with no strain on
the cable.

"Metal 3.5 to 5.25 Inch Drive Adapter Bracket"
http://www.startech.com/Product/ItemDetail.aspx?productid=BRACKET&c=CA

That bracket, used to be included with retail boxed hard
drives. Now that so many hard drives are "OEM" in-a-baggy
drives, there are no more free brackets in circulation.

When you use those brackets, you still have to install the same
plastic sliders (the ones that came with the computer case),
just like you did with the 5.25" CD drive. It takes a total
of eight screws to put this together - four screws with
bracket kit, four screws from computer case bag-o-screws.

slider -- bracket -- drive -- bracket -- slider

HTH,
Paul

 

[student]

I wish that I had used a SATA for the new burner.
I want to fit a PATA HD, have only 1 IDE connector on the mobo and can't
find a cable with sufficient space between the connectors to wire in both.
The HD is near the bottom and the burner near the top, so I need at least
100cm with about 30/70 split; any I've seen are the wrong way round.
Looks as if it's about 10x the money for an adaptor :-(

(Plenty of SATA left).

You can us an pata-->SATA adapter & set the driver (whichever) to "master".
The price of the adapters are from ~$15 to ~$30, depending.......

I'm using one from Fry's on my 160 gig wd ide drive & now the 500 gig
seagate boot drive is considered as "drive 0" instead of "drive 1". You
can find IDE to SATA 2 adapters at various places...& this new generation (?)
of adapters work nicely now. The only thing is that the max speed for
the converted IDE is "only" 150 mbps(?), the speed of the SATA 1.

 

[PeterC]

Why can't you stick the 3.5" drive in a 5.25" bay ? That
way the drives can be next to one another, with no strain on
the cable.

Thanks for the suggestion and link. If I hunt araound there might be some
bits that cane with the case.
I do have a v. quiet fan at the front, blowing on to the HD(s) and that
wouldn't be cooling a higher HD.
As it's a case with the HD racks transverse, I can't easily move the CD
drive down.
I'll have a think about it.

 

[PeterC]

You can us an pata-->SATA adapter & set the driver (whichever) to "master".
The price of the adapters are from ~$15 to ~$30, depending.......

I'm using one from Fry's on my 160 gig wd ide drive & now the 500 gig
seagate boot drive is considered as "drive 0" instead of "drive 1". You
can find IDE to SATA 2 adapters at various places...& this new generation (?)
of adapters work nicely now. The only thing is that the max speed for
the converted IDE is "only" 150 mbps(?), the speed of the SATA 1.

Thanks. Yes, I'd looked at these. Just annoys me that there doesn't seem to
be an IDE cable logically spaced.

 

[Timothy Daniels]

I want to fit a PATA HD, have only 1 IDE connector on the mobo
and can't find a cable with sufficient space between the connectors
to wire in both. The HD is near the bottom and the burner near
the top, so I need at least 100cm with about 30/70 split; any I've
seen are the wrong way round.

100cm is about 40". A 24" 'round' IDE cable will give you 8"
(~20cm) between the two device connectors and 16" (~40cm)
between the middle connector and the controller socket. If that is
not enough, you could try a 36" round IDE cable with a 12"/24" split.
Check out www.SVC.com (Silicon Valley Compucycle) for a good
selection and decent prices: http://www.svc.com/rc24hd2.html

I've been using these for 4 years without any problems. They are
not to the ATA specification (which designates an 18" ribbon cable),
but they work. They have 80 wires, with each of the 40 signal wires
twisted together with a ground wire to provide the same shielding
(supposedly) as the 40 ground wires alternating with signal wires in
a ribbon cable. The upside of "round" cables is the greater ease of
leading the cable among components in a crowded case and the
lessened influence on air flow. The ones with the aluminum braid
also look Way Cool.

*TimDaniels*

 

[student]

Thanks. Yes, I'd looked at these. Just annoys me that there doesn't seem to
be an IDE cable logically spaced.

When I had a full tower case, my ide dvd drive was on the 2nd bay & the
harddrive on the 1st bay of the 3.5, I had an ide ribbon that fitted with slight
room to spare. Changed to round cable & had to buy a 36" cable that "just fit"
the drives. With the current mid-tower Antic Sonata, the config still worked,
but without any "play"/slack.

You do need to check the cables by sight as different manufacturers seem to
have the primary & secondary connectors at different locations. Too bad that
companies don't make different ide cables like was done with scsi cables
where one can find something "to fit" ( could have been only at long gone
computer shows?)

 

[PeterC]

When I had a full tower case, my ide dvd drive was on the 2nd bay & the
harddrive on the 1st bay of the 3.5, I had an ide ribbon that fitted with slight
room to spare. Changed to round cable & had to buy a 36" cable that "just fit"
the drives. With the current mid-tower Antic Sonata, the config still worked,
but without any "play"/slack.

Haven't managed to find a 36" - 1m cable with the connectors far enough
apart or reversible (some are). The 1-way ones are the 'wrong' way as
they're meant for 2 adjacent drives.
Did find a reversible one - 45cm!
There seems to be a bit more hope with the round ones and the [too short]
one that I looked at was flexible enough.

You do need to check the cables by sight as different manufacturers seem to
have the primary & secondary connectors at different locations. Too bad that
companies don't make different ide cables like was done with scsi cables
where one can find something "to fit" ( could have been only at long gone
computer shows?)

Yes; often the web-site doesn't say which way, doesn't give the spacing and
the pics aren't v. good.

 

[yogi]

Seasons greetings to the members of this group.

I am new to the workings of SATA, I have not taken a lot of notice of
it as I have been happy using the old ATA setup, but my P4C800 Deluxe
is getting old and I currently have 2 IDE hard drives on the first IDE
port and a DVD burner and a CD-ROM drive on the second IDE port.

I am slowly buying components to build a new computer, I wanted to buy
a SATA DVD burner and replace both of the existing DVD and CD drives.

I currently have a new Motherboard, CPU, Heatsink Fan and DDR2 ram,
waiting on Hard Drives, Video Card and Power Supply.

Is it possible to leave my 2 ATA IDE hard drives as they are for the
moment and plug the new SATA DVD burner into one of the SATA ports on
the old P4C800 board?

Grateful for any assistance.

Keith

Thanks to those who replied with helpful advise, I have assembled my
new system, like my old system, this one will have to last me a few
years, I am not a gamer so that wont be a problem. This motherboard
gives me a lot of processor possibilities, I will keep my eyes open on
eBay and pick up another nice deal.

I still have a spare SATA port, but I have no plans of using it
anytime soon, My previous system only had 120gb total drive space, my
new system has 2x 160gb drives plus an external Maxtor 160gb drive for
data backup.

There was one thing that gave me a problem and I manage to fix it
without knowing what I did, Windows XP Pro did not see my second hard
drive, It had the 1st 160gb drive as C: then my DVD burner as D:, I
went into 'Control Panel, Administrative Tools, Computer Management,
Disk Management' and changed the DVD burner from D: to E: to leave
room for the second 160gb hard drive.
I went into the help screen to find out how to get the second drive
back, I did a re scan and didn't see any drive but then the driver
disk in the burner went off, so I reinstalled the drivers after that I
don't know what I did, I remember finding the second drive there but
it was not configured or something.
I tried to get it to format and nothing I did appeared to work so I
went into Windows Explorer and the drive was there so I right clicked
and chose to format D: then a Windows popup told me that the drive was
in use and I had to stop any processes before continuing, I scratched
my head and tried again, and again the popup told me to stop any
processes on D: before continuing, I went back to the Disk Management
and found that Windows was Formatting D: drive, I don't know what I
did but it all works well...

Does any body know the correct process to get the second drive up and
running without all the stuffing around I did, Just in case I need to
do a format and re-installation of windows in the future.

Cheers
Keith

My new system
Antec Solutions series SLK3700AMD Super Mid Tower (Reused)
Antec Earthwatts 500watt Power Supply (EA-500)
Enermax 120mm Variable Speed case fan (Intake) (Reused)
Enermax 120mm Variable Speed case fan (Exhaust) (Reused)
ABIT Fatal1ty FP-IN9 SLI (Motherboard)
Intel P4 3.40Gb/800/1M/Hyper-Threading
DEEPCOOL Winner D930 (CPU Fan)
CORSAIR TWIN2X1024-6400C4 (CM2X1024-6400C4)(4-4-4-12)
ASUS EN8500GT SILENT-HTP-512M (GeForce 8500GT 512mb)
5 Port High Speed USB 2.0 PCI Card (Reused)
SAMSUNG 160gb SATA-2 8meg Cache 7200rpm Model SP161HJ C:
SAMSUNG 160gb SATA-2 8meg Cache 7200rpm Model SP161HJ D:
ASUS DRW-1814BLT-SATA DVD(±R/±RW/±R DL) Cd(±R/±RW)
Panasonic 1.44mb (Reused)