Is it okay to burn a copy of xp ?

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Alias said:
So, the OP is a liar and Carey is a saint?


His solution would take a lot longer than making a copy of a CD.


He consistently sides with buying a retail version of XP when that
isn't necessary. He consistently lies and says that a computer with a
generic OEM version of Windows cannot be activated if one changes the
motherboard.
Alias
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And you lie saying you will always be activated using your advice. You don't
know what will happen when a person truthfully says they moved an OEM
version of XP to a new MB. Can you say truthfully that they will always be
granted activation? Can you commit to what you believe it the truth?
I can tell people how to fool the process 100% of the time, but can you tell
them how to do it without lieing 100% of the time?

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Peter Foldes wrote:
| Well, everybody is entitled to their own opinion. Mine is that if my wife
| lost her only $100 bill should I make a perfect photocopy of mine and
| give it to her.
|

Whole different set of laws. Bank notes and currency don't come under
copyright laws per se at least in most places. Besides, even if they did, I
don't think the banks nor governments authorize 'archival' nor 'backup'
copies of their notes.
 
kurttrail wrote:
| Peter Foldes wrote:
|
|| Well, everybody is entitled to their own opinion. Mine is that if my
|| wife lost her only $100 bill should I make a perfect photocopy of
|| mine and give it to her.
|
| And next time your bank should sell you a license for your $100.

Don't give the banks ideas.
 
If they are both full Microsoft versions there shouldn't be a problem.
But if either are OEM versions, there will probably be files on your
copy that are different from his and it won't work with his license
key.

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Today commented courteously on the subject at hand
Hi ... Thanks for the quick response , Someone told me
about microsoft EULA that it isn't allow , Do you have any
prove to your suggestion ? Thanks
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How would Bill the Gates know it was /your/ CD? but, the problem
is in installing and later activating Windoze not in having a
fresh copy.

As to your "friend", if he has a legit license to Windoze, M$
will give him a new CD for free.
 
Jonny wrote:
| || Hi .. Is it okay to burn a copy of windows xp and give it to my buddy ?
|| He has the same version but lost his disk , Is this okay to do ? Thanks
||
|
| Have XP HE SP1 CD, generic OEM version. Here is a quote from the EULA
| which everyone I've read so far including a so called "MVP" failed to
| provide which serve as proof of their false and in some cases true but
| unsupported statements:
| "(1) BACK-UP COPY SOLELY FOR YOUR ARCHIVAL
| PURPOSES AND TO REINSTALL THE SOFTWARE ON THE
| COMPUTER. EXCEPT AS EXPRESSLY PROVIDED IN
| THIS EULA OR BY LOCAL LAW, YOU MAY NOT
| OTHERWISE MAKE COPIES OF THE SOFTWARE,
| INCLUDING THE PRINTED MATERIALS ACCOMPANYING
| THE SOFTWARE. YOU MAY NOT LOAN, RENT, LEASE,
| LEND OR OTHERWISE TRANSFER THE CD OR BACK-UP
| COPY TO ANOTHER USER."
|
| Above is all caps courtesy of MS legal department. The file is listed as
| eula.txt in the system32 subfolder within the windows folder. Help will
| take you to it using "eula" for a search word. In former windows versions
| was called license.txt

Notice the "EXCEPT" in "EXCEPT AS EXPRESSLY PROVIDED IN THIS EULA" and in
this case the 'buddy' lost his CD and has no backup copy. He is entitled
according to the EULA to have a backup copy of the "software". A single
backup copy created for his friend [the friend is entitled to his backup
copy too under the EULA] is perfectly legitimate and his entitlement
according to the EULA.

And the 'spirit' of the EULA is not broken neither by the making backup
copy. The EULA exisits to protect Microsoft's copyright. Since these guys
according to the original post both have legitmate licences and made no
mention of pirating etc. then what they are doing is simply a matter of
expediency. They are cause Microsoft no harm, nor loss of profit etc. etc.

It's a non-issue in more ways than one.
 
Michael said:
And you lie saying you will always be activated using your advice.
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No, I don't.
You don't
know what will happen when a person truthfully says they moved an OEM
version of XP to a new MB.
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That information is not required to activate by phone. Your argument is
a non sequitur.
Can you say truthfully that they will always be
granted activation?
Obviously.

Can you commit to what you believe it the truth?
Obviously.

I can tell people how to fool the process 100% of the time, but can you tell
them how to do it without lieing 100% of the time?
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Um, telephone activation does not require anything but the installation
ID number. No other information is required.

From: http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/activation_faq.mspx

"The only information required to activate is an installation ID (and,
for Office XP and Office XP family products such as Visio 2002, the name
of the country in which the product is being installed)."

In addition, the generic OEM EULA says *nothing* about a motherboard.

So, you were saying?

Alias
 
the said:
If they are both full Microsoft versions there shouldn't be a problem.
But if either are OEM versions, there will probably be files on your
copy that are different from his and it won't work with his license
key.

The PC Guru: www.the-pc-guru.com
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Not applicable to generic OEM versions, only branded OEM versions.

Alias
 
Today Newbie commented courteously on the subject at hand
Jonny wrote:
| | ..
|| Hi .. Is it okay to burn a copy of windows xp and give it
|| to my buddy ? He has the same version but lost his disk ,
|| Is this okay to do ? Thanks
||
|
| Have XP HE SP1 CD, generic OEM version. Here is a quote
| from the EULA which everyone I've read so far including a
| so called "MVP" failed to provide which serve as proof of
| their false and in some cases true but unsupported
| statements: "(1) BACK-UP COPY SOLELY FOR YOUR ARCHIVAL
| PURPOSES AND TO REINSTALL THE SOFTWARE ON THE
| COMPUTER. EXCEPT AS EXPRESSLY PROVIDED IN
| THIS EULA OR BY LOCAL LAW, YOU MAY NOT
| OTHERWISE MAKE COPIES OF THE SOFTWARE,
| INCLUDING THE PRINTED MATERIALS ACCOMPANYING
| THE SOFTWARE. YOU MAY NOT LOAN, RENT, LEASE,
| LEND OR OTHERWISE TRANSFER THE CD OR BACK-UP
| COPY TO ANOTHER USER."
|
| Above is all caps courtesy of MS legal department. The
| file is listed as eula.txt in the system32 subfolder
| within the windows folder. Help will take you to it using
| "eula" for a search word. In former windows versions was
| called license.txt

Notice the "EXCEPT" in "EXCEPT AS EXPRESSLY PROVIDED IN
THIS EULA" and in this case the 'buddy' lost his CD and has
no backup copy. He is entitled according to the EULA to
have a backup copy of the "software". A single backup copy
created for his friend [the friend is entitled to his
backup copy too under the EULA] is perfectly legitimate and
his entitlement according to the EULA.

And the 'spirit' of the EULA is not broken neither by the
making backup copy. The EULA exisits to protect Microsoft's
copyright. Since these guys according to the original post
both have legitmate licences and made no mention of
pirating etc. then what they are doing is simply a matter
of expediency. They are cause Microsoft no harm, nor loss
of profit etc. etc.

It's a non-issue in more ways than one.
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Agreed. Checking for "authenticity", today's euphemism for
"checking for pirated software", is just another bullshit
reason for copy protection and activation. Copyright owners
have every right to be compensated for their intellectual
property value, of course. And, one cannot easily make a
"backup" of a book or magazine, but that's an entirely
different issue.

I have legitimate licenses to /all/ the software I use,
including retail XP on two boxes, but still made copies of the
install CDs and stored the originals off-site. Never give
Murphy an even break, I always say! <grin>
 
Alias said:
Exactly.

Alias
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No he didn't, He suggested ordering a replacement of his missing CD. MS
often replaces CD media when qualifying proof of purchase of other viable
proof is supplied
<quoted below>
Tell your friend it would be best to order a
replacement for his missing Windows XP CD.
His version may be different than yours.

How to replace lost, broken, or missing Microsoft software or hardware
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/326246/en-us

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Michael said:
No he didn't, He suggested ordering a replacement of his missing CD. MS
often replaces CD media when qualifying proof of purchase of other viable
proof is supplied
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So? I was responding to Gordon's example of how Carey misleads people,
not the subject of the thread. Is Carey your son or something?

Alias
 
Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
| One cannot legally make a copy of their Windows XP
| CD and give it to anyone as that would constitute a
| form of software piracy. As i recommended earlier,
| it would be best to have your friend order an authentic,
| genuine, Windows XP CD replacement.
|
| How to replace lost, broken, or missing Microsoft software or hardware
| http://support.microsoft.com/kb/326246/en-us
|
|
|
|| Hi... I will say it again , Its EXACT same version , I know the
|| difference , I just want to know whether i am doing anything wrong by
|| doing this for a buddy ? Thanks

Well, hmmm, what is legal or no depends on the laws of the particular land.
Now, regardless of the law of any particular land, Microsoft's EULA provides
an *exception* for backup and archival copies. It is OK according to the
EULA to not only install Windows, but to also create an 'archival' copy of
Windows. The EULA doesn't specifiy what media is to be used to create the
backup copy of the "software".

In other words, the Microsoft Windows XP EULA I'm looking at here says one
is entitled to a backup copy of "the software" and does not specifiy any
particular media from which such a copy is to be created.

*Back-up Copy. IF THE MANUFACTURER HAS NOT INCLUDED A BACK-UP COPY OF THE
SOFTWARE WITH THE COMPUTER ON PHYSICAL MEDIA (e.g. CD OR PARTIONED
HARDDRIVE), YOU MAY MAKE A SINGLE BACKUP COPY OF THE SOFTWARE. You may use
the copy soley for archival purposes and to reinstall the SOFTWARE on the
COMPUTER. Except as expressly provided in this EULA or by local law, you may
not otherwise make copies of the SOFTWARE, including the printed materials
accompanying the software. You may not loan, rent, lease, lend or otherwise
transfer the CD the CD or back-up copy to another user.
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So it is OK because the EULA expressly provides the exception for to make a
backup copy. Otherwise, you can't copy lend rent nor transfer etc. His
friend is allowed/entitled to make a backup copy "of the software".
 
Alias said:
No, I don't.
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Yes you do and you know it! If you tell the truth on an OEM phone call
activation on different hardware, you know it is a crap shoot if you are
truthful about the details of the hardware being changed (i.e. Mother
Board).
That information is not required to activate by phone. Your argument
is a non sequitur.


Um, telephone activation does not require anything but the
installation ID number. No other information is required.

From: http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/activation_faq.mspx

"The only information required to activate is an installation ID (and,
for Office XP and Office XP family products such as Visio 2002, the
name of the country in which the product is being installed)."

In addition, the generic OEM EULA says *nothing* about a motherboard.

So, you were saying?

Alias
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Alias said:
So? I was responding to Gordon's example of how Carey misleads people,
not the subject of the thread. Is Carey your son or something?
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No you weren't, go back and look, you were still making snide unfounded
remarks towards my surprised adopted son. 8-) You are now blatantly lying!!!
Please be truthful when you post your venom!

Michael Stevens
Alias
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Michael said:
Yes you do and you know it! If you tell the truth on an OEM phone call
activation on different hardware, you know it is a crap shoot if you are
truthful about the details of the hardware being changed (i.e. Mother
Board).
Click to expand...

Um, telephone activation does not require anything but the installation
ID number. No other information is required. No other questions need be
answered.

From: http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/activation_faq.mspx

"The only information required to activate is an installation ID (and,
for Office XP and Office XP family products such as Visio 2002, the name
of the country in which the product is being installed)."

In addition, the generic OEM EULA says *nothing* about a motherboard.

So, you were saying?

Alias
 
Michael said:
No you weren't, go back and look, you were still making snide unfounded
remarks towards my surprised adopted son. 8-)
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I don't know if he's your son or not which is why I asked, being as you
are defending him like you would a son.
You are now blatantly lying!!!
Please be truthful when you post your venom!
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Fact: Carey does recommend buying unneeded software. Fact: Carey's
suggestion would take days if not weeks. Using a burned copy would take
minutes.

My point is that Carey consistently gives erroneous information that
almost always leads to buying unneeded software or offering a solution
that is much slower than other solutions.

That said, occasionally, Carey copies and pastes good advice.

Alias
 
Alias wrote:


Fact: Carey does recommend buying unneeded software. Fact: Carey's
suggestion would take days if not weeks. Using a burned copy would
take minutes.
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Except the OP didn't say what the time frame was that his friend needed
the disk. He might just need it in the case of an emergency that has
yet to happen for all we know, and getting MS to supply a new disk, in 6
to 8 weeks, could just be a viable option.

I have such low expectations about Carey's advise, when it comes to
these kinds of questions, that I'd have to give him some props for not
recommending that the OP's friend needs to buy another copy, and in a
round about way implied that if the copies were identical, it was okay.
My point is that Carey consistently gives erroneous information that
almost always leads to buying unneeded software or offering a solution
that is much slower than other solutions.
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Yes, that's why he shouldn't be negatively reinforced when he actually
moderates his advise.
That said, occasionally, Carey copies and pastes good advice.
Click to expand...

Agreed. But no one is right all the time. And in a peer-to-peer group
such as this, Carey's partial answer can be filled in by others here.
Like Bruce & Michael did.

All that said, I'm no fan of Carey's and am a firm believer that he
never deserved his MVP award, and now erroneously rewarded, deserves to
be stripped of it.

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kurttrail said:
Alias wrote:




Except the OP didn't say what the time frame was that his friend needed
the disk. He might just need it in the case of an emergency that has
yet to happen for all we know, and getting MS to supply a new disk, in 6
to 8 weeks, could just be a viable option.
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"If". There is no doubt that a burned copy would be quicker and that's
what the OP asked about, not alternatives.
I have such low expectations about Carey's advise, when it comes to
these kinds of questions, that I'd have to give him some props for not
recommending that the OP's friend needs to buy another copy, and in a
round about way implied that if the copies were identical, it was okay.
Click to expand...

That's stretching it a bit but OK.
Yes, that's why he shouldn't be negatively reinforced when he actually
moderates his advise.


Agreed. But no one is right all the time. And in a peer-to-peer group
such as this, Carey's partial answer can be filled in by others here.
Like Bruce & Michael did.

All that said, I'm no fan of Carey's and am a firm believer that he
never deserved his MVP award, and now erroneously rewarded, deserves to
be stripped of it.
Click to expand...

Agreed.

Alias
 
Michael said:
Yes you do and you know it! If you tell the truth on an OEM phone call
activation on different hardware, you know it is a crap shoot if you are
truthful about the details of the hardware being changed (i.e. Mother
Board).
Click to expand...

But that is not information that is required for PA. I fail to see
where you are going with this.
 
Alias said:
Um, telephone activation does not require anything but the installation ID
number. No other information is required. No other questions need be
answered.

From: http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/activation_faq.mspx

"The only information required to activate is an installation ID (and, for
Office XP and Office XP family products such as Visio 2002, the name of
the country in which the product is being installed)."

In addition, the generic OEM EULA says *nothing* about a motherboard.

So, you were saying?

Alias
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But the average user does not know it is not necessary to give any detailed
information, so I still say you lie just as much as you accuse Carey when
you say " You will always be activated" It is just untrue, and you won't
admit it.
I am only confronting your biased and misleading attack on Carey when you
are totally wrong.
I have no problem with anyone posting corrections or suggestions to a post,
but discrediting valid information because you have a beef with someone is
not acceptable. If you want to add to his correct information with your
added comments, then do so.
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