Irreconcilable Differences

[Roger Johansson]

Now, the thread is surreal.

Nobody who has something to think with will take such ideas as anything
but the usual background noise in usenet.

 

[Roger Johansson]

I read her "explanation".
I question the validity of the "explanation".
IOW - don't believe everything you read. . .

Maybe the best solution is to accept Gennas resignation as formal owner
and let SoS take over that role, so you can continue as before but
working with somebody you have a better relation to.

Thanks to Genna for making this speedy solution possible.

 

[H-Man]

I still don't get it. So far all I've seen is a bad cat fight thats not
getting anywhere. I have a lot of respect for Susan and Genna both, but
this thread is absolutely pointless.

Seems to me that Susan just doesn't want to work with Genna anymore,
perhaps the Genna doesn't want to work with Susan anymore either.
Whatever the reasons, I personally believe this is enough. this thread
is pointless as Susan, feeling the way she does, won't stick around long
anyway if the "vote" is the leave things the way they are.

Susan, if you want out, then I think you should move the site, it will
either sink or swim on it's own merit. If Genna and SOS want to do their
own thing, then so be it. It's all bad at this point, but to put things
into persective, it is not the end of the world, and is not really that
big a deal.

Question, if the group votes to keep the site as is, will you continue
in your current struggle, or will you bail? It it were me, I'd bail if I
felt the way you obviously do. Seems to me there is only one way to keep
you on as webmaster and list maintainer, and that would be to just let
you do your thing. I, for one, trust you, really. You've never done my
any dirt.


HK

 

[H-Man]

but what about those of us who don't know either of you? This is a
public forum were many many people rarely if ever post. They just come
along see something interesting or post a request, get a reply and go. I
am one of those people and this argument comes across as a storm in a
teacup. Two people at loggerheads over something *seemingly* petty. You
keep saying there are irreconcilable differences. Gemma has asked what
they are and I think quite a few people would be interested in that
answer especially as you have not really given a direct answer. Perhaps
Gemma knows what they are and isn't letting on. I don't know as I don't
know either of you, other than the connection with PL. Were you friends
at one point?

However you both *should* be able to work this out. Go back to email or
phone or chat. Have an open, frank discussion with each other. Lay out
what each sees as the problem. Stay calm. If it's not black and white
see if a compromise can be reached. Breathe. If it means apologising to
each other, do it, you are both mature people. If it means the site
still has to move so be it but if that is the case it would be a shame if
it left what appears to have been a good working relationship (at one
point) or friendship, in tatters.

Maybe they've just grown to hate each other, hey, shit happens. At this
point it seems they, at least Susan has, reached the point at which
reconciling is out of the question, this is the current status, this is
the starting point, going back seems impossible. At this point, as
previously mentioned, divorce is best, even for the kids. We need to ask
ourselves, do the reasons really matter, this is where we have found
ourselves, lets all cut our losses and start fresh, it's best for
everyone IMO.

HK

 

[H-Man]

I suggest we do not get involved in never ending "analysis paralysis".
It seems to me that there are only two likely outcomes to this
protracted debate:

1. The web site stays where it is and we lose Susan.

2. The Web site moves and we retain Susan.

Personally I vote for outcome 2.

Well said!
HK

 

[H-Man]

I do apologize for the continued postings to this thread.

I had intended to let my posts from yesterday be the last ones I would make
in this thread, but there were additional points brought up which I felt I
needed to address.

My own future involvement is no longer relevant. As such, I don't intend to
comment in this thread again. Please do not interepret it as lack of
interest, but rather my contribution to a speedy conclusion of this
interminable ordeal.

Genna, I believe this is best. It is more than completely obvious that
this has grown into something you never intended. I also believe Susan
had no intention of this getting quite this stupid. I personally would
like to thank you for your past involvement and hope to see your posts,
occaionally anyway, in acf.
HK

 

[John Corliss]

That was Q. Having the pricelessware.org *domain* does serve the
interests of the group. I don't know if the domain name will be
available if the site moves to a new location. It will be a PITA if it
is not.

Genna said "I have forwarded to SOS the necessary information that will
remove the need for my own future involvement." I don't know what that
means and to date SOS has not posted.



Thank you for the kind words. They are *much* appreciated.

There's been almost a month of discussion. There's been no progress.

Genna had this to say about me in her first appearance in this thread:

"The members of this newsgroup should think long and hard whether
someone who is so inflexible, so closed-minded, so manipulative, so
deceitful is really the best person to represent the values of the PL."

John - this is *not* a good relationship. I want out.

There are "Irreconcilable Differences". Genna and I are *not* on the
same team. IMO posting more of the email exchange will make a bad
situation worse.

I'm asking you to judge me by what you know of me. I did not make this
request lightly.

Well Susan, when a married couple has such a dispute they sometimes
opt to see a councilor who may or may not help them. It's always worth
a shot though. Henk has offered to mediate your discussion with Genna
and perhaps you might want to take him up on that offer. He's always
struck me as a very kind soul and has often given me advice that's
calmed me down.

 

[John Corliss]

I'll certainly echo this sentiment. Who would have thought that the person
with the most sensible thing to say was John Corliss? P <ducks>

To which I might add, I'd like to say the same thing to Genna. Henk
offered to act as mediator in a discussion between the two and whether
or not he is the person to do so, it seems obvious to me that the
opinions of a third party would help.

 

[Susan Bugher]

Question, if the group votes to keep the site as is, will you continue
in your current struggle, or will you bail? It it were me, I'd bail if I
felt the way you obviously do. Seems to me there is only one way to keep
you on as webmaster and list maintainer, and that would be to just let
you do your thing. I, for one, trust you, really. You've never done my
any dirt.

If more than a few active newsgroup participants oppose the move to a
new site I'll bail out.

Susan

 

[Phil]

QUESTION:

Whatever happens to the website and whoever is left running it at the end of
the day I assume this NG will still be here and that it will still be
possible to get programs and info on those programs here right??

I think this is only my second posting to this group and I rarely visit the
website - I don't really know either of the two people involved and don't
really care WHERE the site is hosted - this whole thread is just taking up
space and time.........

Still I guess that's life eh?

Phil


<snip - all of it cos it's getting beyond a joke now>

 

[H-Man]

If more than a few active newsgroup participants oppose the move to a
new site I'll bail out.

Thanks Susan, I do not oppose a move, nor do I oppose staying put. IMO
I'd like to have you continue on however that can happen.
HK

 

[Rod]

If more than a few active newsgroup participants oppose the move to a
new site I'll bail out.

Susan

You started a thread about "Irreconcilable Differences" , nobody knows what
they are or even know if they exist, like you said yourself: don't believe
everything you read. A lot of questions were asked by people in this thread,
few answered, mostly in vague terms. By picking this one to answer you put
the people in this group in a difficult position. Voting to leave the
Pricelessware site where it is, is now a vote against you. The
bailing-out-or-not-question was asked, you answered, fair enough normally,
but IMHO not with zillions of questionmarks hanging over this whole issue.
But that's just me.

Rod

 

[badgolferman]

s> On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 04:51:02 -0500, "Jack D. Russell, Sr."

I agree, it's a first!
HK

It is obvious there are two strong-willed women here that will never
give in. The only way to settle this is in a Celebrity Deathmatch.
After reading all the "you said, she said" crap, it sounds to me like
they need a spanking. I vote they both back off and someone else take
over who is willing.

 

[Tiger]

It is obvious there are two strong-willed women here that will
never give in. The only way to settle this is in a Celebrity
Deathmatch. After reading all the "you said, she said" crap, it
sounds to me like they need a spanking. I vote they both back off
and someone else take over who is willing.

Ok...I'll volunteer. I'll spank 'em.

 

[Susan Bugher]

You started a thread about "Irreconcilable Differences" , nobody knows what
they are or even know if they exist, like you said yourself: don't believe
everything you read. A lot of questions were asked by people in this thread,
few answered, mostly in vague terms. By picking this one to answer you put
the people in this group in a difficult position. Voting to leave the
Pricelessware site where it is, is now a vote against you. The
bailing-out-or-not-question was asked, you answered, fair enough normally,
but IMHO not with zillions of questionmarks hanging over this whole issue.
But that's just me.

Rod

I'd say anyone reading this thread knows there are differences of
opinion.

The choices I saw:

1. Bail out with an explanation
2. Bail out without an explanation
3. Ask the newsgroup to move the site with an explanation
4. Ask the newsgroup to move the site with little explanation

IMO none of those choices are good - I chose the one that I thought
would do the least damage.

A divided newsgroup is *not* on the list of goals that I hope to
accomplish as webmaster and point person for ACF. If the newsgroup is
divided by the proposal to move to a new site then I will bail out.

Susan

 

[Carolyn]

To which I might add, I'd like to say the same thing to Genna. Henk
offered to act as mediator in a discussion between the two and whether
or not he is the person to do so, it seems obvious to me that the
opinions of a third party would help.

I am willing to offer my services as mediator if you would like a woman's
point of view.
Each of you send me an email explaining the situation and I will be glad to
act as mediator to see if this situation can be sorted out. There is an
answer to every problem. It sometimes takes a different point of view, a
party removed from the fray, and some imagination to find it.
Carolyn

 

[Rod]

I'd say anyone reading this thread knows there are differences of
opinion.

The choices I saw:

1. Bail out with an explanation
2. Bail out without an explanation
3. Ask the newsgroup to move the site with an explanation
4. Ask the newsgroup to move the site with little explanation

IMO none of those choices are good - I chose the one that I thought
would do the least damage.

A divided newsgroup is *not* on the list of goals that I hope to
accomplish as webmaster and point person for ACF. If the newsgroup is
divided by the proposal to move to a new site then I will bail out.

Susan

Well, I guess we disagree on this one, but well, I've no problem with
agreeing to disagree Again IMHO your evading the real questions ACF
members have again: What are the Irreconcilable Differences ? What is going
on here ? I just don't think it's fair to let ACF-members decide under these
conditions.

Rod

 

[G. W. Clay]

IMO none of those choices are good - I chose the one that I thought
would do the least damage.

A divided newsgroup is *not* on the list of goals that I hope to
accomplish as webmaster and point person for ACF. If the newsgroup is
divided by the proposal to move to a new site then I will bail out.

Of course none of the choices are good because none of them are yours. You
really are a control freak. Don't forget your parachute.

GWClay

 

[Eric]

On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 09:46:13 -0400, Susan Bugher



So do it. Then maybe we can see an end to this totally pointless
thread.

I suggest everyone "vote" by killfiling this thread.

Oh please... You know as well as I do no one is going to do that.
Everyone is complaining that this thread is pointless and wasting bandwith,
blah..blah..blah.. But the fact is, everyone LOVES it. Check the number of
posts in the thread. It's like a soap opera. Even better than A.A. Fussy
and all of his crap.

Eric

 

[John Corliss]

I am willing to offer my services as mediator if you would like a woman's
point of view.
Each of you send me an email explaining the situation and I will be glad to
act as mediator to see if this situation can be sorted out. There is an
answer to every problem. It sometimes takes a different point of view, a
party removed from the fray, and some imagination to find it.
Carolyn

Carolyn
I don't believe sex has anything to do with being a good mediator.
Such a view is sexist.