Intel held an analyst day today

[Keith]

Despite all that, the signs are their new Conroe, nevermind if it's
"new" or just "evolved", is significantly better than the competition.
Is?

Hardly just smoke and mirrors there

Ok, let's just say it's "vapor-ware", at least for now. Come on, L'Angel.

 

[Bill Davidsen]

Also note that halving the clock doesn't mean half-speed (or verse visa).

Absolutely true. It did slow cache access by some number of clocks, and
there was an issue with SMP. I don't remember exactly what, but when the
PPro upgrade part came out, it was a P-II in PPro socket format, and I
couldn't get it running in dual-CPU Intel boards, or I had to upgrade
the BIOS, or ??? Old issue by now.

I think the x86 instruction set was made faster, the PPro assumed that
people would drop 16 bit operation (I did) or use it so little
performance was not an issue. Since this didn't really effect me I don't
recall the details.

 

[Bill Davidsen]

There are still a lot of folks using VB6 and want to keep using it.
http://classicvb.org/petition/

I don't like .Net, most of my current code and years of saved routines
will no longer work or requires a ton of fixes/rewrites. I basically use
calls to the Win API so my programs run on WinXP without the user
needing to install anything extra, all they have to do is run the EXE. I
don't even have .net framework on my PCs.

When VB6 is finally dead on Windows that'll probably be the day I dump
Windows all together.

I always said I wouldn't switch from Windows to UNIX until the day the
sun rose in the east. Believe it or not, I say that and people ask "why
do you like Windows so much?"

 

[Bill Davidsen]

Ok, let's just say it's "vapor-ware", at least for now. Come on, L'Angel.

Aren't they shipping engineering samples? That's a real question, I
can't disagree. But I thought I saw some test data with an unlocked
multiplier.
bill davidsen
SBC/Prodigy Yorktown Heights NY data center
http://newsgroups.news.prodigy.com

 

[Keith]

I always said I wouldn't switch from Windows to UNIX until the day the
sun rose in the east. Believe it or not, I say that and people ask "why
do you like Windows so much?"

What country is New Mexico in? ....though for half the year we kinda
forget what the sun is! :-(

 

[Keith]

Aren't they shipping engineering samples?

To independents? I don't think so! It's a FUD move until it's in the
hands of people who can do what they want with it *AND* talk about it.
Hell, it could be a killer but I doubt it, given the architecture.

That's a real question, I can't disagree. But I thought I saw some
test data with an unlocked multiplier.

Who cares about locked/unlocked. I want to see *independent* data, not
wedding night promises.

 

[The little lost angel]

Nope PP Vapour ware means nobody outside the company actually get to
use a working product. Some of the sites have already gotten their
hands on engineering samples and provided benchmarks. Although limited
in selection, some scores like a 2.7Ghz Conroe (overclocked on default
stuff) beating out a subzero cooled FX 3.6Ghz by 11% in the CPU
component of Aquamark doesn't sound like vapour ware :/


I'm a keen AMD supporter but it looks like clock for clock, Intel will
be wiping the floor with AMD for a few months at least. Of course,
there's hoping AMD will spring some last minute surprise but highly
improbable, no? pPP

 

[Carlo Razzeto]

To independents? I don't think so! It's a FUD move until it's in the
hands of people who can do what they want with it *AND* talk about it.
Hell, it could be a killer but I doubt it, given the architecture.


Who cares about locked/unlocked. I want to see *independent* data, not
wedding night promises.

Interesting comparison of K8 architecture v. Conero

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2748

 

[Bill Davidsen]

Who cares about locked/unlocked. I want to see *independent* data, not
wedding night promises.

You should care, unlocked multiplier versions are engineering samples,
not retail (unless Intel changed policy overnight). It's a good way to
tell retail results from one-off information. And often a good bet that
ship time is near when retail samples get tested.

Also a good way to see what getting speed by multiplier vs. overclocking
will do for performance. Sometimes memory timing issues pop up one way
or the other.

 

[krw]

You should care, unlocked multiplier versions are engineering samples,
not retail (unless Intel changed policy overnight). It's a good way to
tell retail results from one-off information. And often a good bet that
ship time is near when retail samples get tested.

Until the parts are released of *honest* third-party appraisals (no
NDAs), I don't care. It's F'n FUD until.

Also a good way to see what getting speed by multiplier vs. overclocking
will do for performance. Sometimes memory timing issues pop up one way
or the other.

With an infinite power budget we can do wonders. <yawn>