Intel firewire 9 pin/header block to firewire plug...

R

RJK

....for connecting a firewire port, (in a 3 1/4" bay memory card reader that
terminates at the end of one of its' cables in a std. Intel 9 pin block), to
an internal firewire port on a firewire PCI card ?
Is there such a thing, ...I've looked and looked and I can't blooming well
find one.

I found a SYBA pci card with just one firewire port on it, and a 9 pin
header but, it's abroad, ...and I might as well fit on with lots of
plug-holes :)
....and USB ports as well, if you see what I mean.

TIA

regards, Richard
 
B

Brian A.

RJK said:
...for connecting a firewire port, (in a 3 1/4" bay memory card reader that
terminates at the end of one of its' cables in a std. Intel 9 pin block), to an
internal firewire port on a firewire PCI card ?
Is there such a thing, ...I've looked and looked and I can't blooming well find
one.

I found a SYBA pci card with just one firewire port on it, and a 9 pin header but,
it's abroad, ...and I might as well fit on with lots of plug-holes :)
...and USB ports as well, if you see what I mean.

TIA

regards, Richard

Your post doesn't really spell it out, see if anything here is what you want:
http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatSectionView.process?Section_Id=21

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Conflicts start where information lacks.
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R

RJK

Thanks Brian A.,

I'll try again, ...one thing just crossed my mind - I've been assuming a
that 1394a/b motherboard pin-header is different to a motherboard USB
pin-header, ...don't tell me they're the same thing ! ::::. ...or is that
key-pin on the wrong side ! ? ...don't tell me they're the same thing !
(as you can tell, I haven't had much to do with firewire, though I did find
it interesting, a while ago, reading about all the troubles people have had
with the faster (b/800) version).

A while ago I put in a "33 in 1" 3 1/4" bay memory card reader that also
has Mic\Audio/USB port/and firewire ports on the front of it. I recently
connected the USB cable from it - to a spare motherboard USB pin header, and
would now like to connect the 1394a cable which has a "Intel std. 'block' 9
pin plug on it, which ...thinking about it is the same layout motherboard
(9pin ) USB pin-headers ? :)

I could only find one pci card with a 1394a pin header on it :-
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815124034

...so, I've spent ages trawling through UK sites trying to find a "block 9
pin to firewire plug converter" or a pci card with more sockets at the rear,
including USB 2.0 support/ports AND a 1394aANDb support 9 pin header on it
in addition to, or rather than, the "internal" firewire port that's on lots
of these type of card. Well, If it's going to use a pci slot, I want as
much on it as possible. ...and if there was one out there with IDE ATA133
port/s on it, that would be lovely ! ...but, somehow I don't think so !

When I was younger and more patient, I'd have thought nothing of determining
the pin-outs, chopping the thing off and fitting my own plug, ...mind you,
....during the time I've spent wading through hardware vendor sites, I could
have done it several times over by now.
....nowadays I just want something I can plug in !

regards, Richard
 
R

RJK

I'm wondering if this'll do it,
....there looks like 2 pin headers on it :)
ebay item no. 140152657690

regards, Richard
 
P

Paul

RJK said:
...for connecting a firewire port, (in a 3 1/4" bay memory card reader that
terminates at the end of one of its' cables in a std. Intel 9 pin block), to
an internal firewire port on a firewire PCI card ?
Is there such a thing, ...I've looked and looked and I can't blooming well
find one.

I found a SYBA pci card with just one firewire port on it, and a 9 pin
header but, it's abroad, ...and I might as well fit on with lots of
plug-holes :)
...and USB ports as well, if you see what I mean.

TIA

regards, Richard

I cannot tell from your description if this is what you want, but have
a look in the "internal ports" section of Frontx.com .

http://www.frontx.com/order2.html

This one converts a header to a 6 pin Firewire.

http://www.frontx.com/cpx105_2.html

Note that several pinouts for motherboards are possible, and
from your description, you could be dealing with a 2x5. Likely
to be this pinout.

http://www.frontx.com/cpx105_2p4.gif

You might still need a Firewire male-to-male cable, to
complete the project. Think through the pinout carefully.
The most critical part of Firewire, is making sure the
power and ground on the six pin, get wired properly.
Swapping data pins with one another won't hurt anything, but
mixing up data and power, will blow stuff. Data pins are
not designed to handle direct connection to the VP.

HTH,
Paul
 
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Paul

RJK said:
Thanks Paul
http://www.frontx.com/cpx105_2.html is to all intents and purposes what
I've got,
and I want a pci card with a 1394a pin header like:-
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815124034
and, if possible with more on it e.g. some USB ports on it as well, seeingas
it's going to take a pci slot.

regards, Richard

My recommendation to you is:

1) Use PCI cards with a single function, for best compatibility.

Occasionally, there are combo PCI cards where the address decoding
is not done properly - i.e. some barebones systems come with a
custom PCI card, and if that card shows up on Ebay, it only really
works properly with the motherboard it came with. But that
doesn't happen too often. If the combo card is coming from a
major retailer (or you can trace that part number as being for sale
at a major retailer), it'll do the right thing.

2) Feedback on combo cards, is general dissatisfaction with chip
performance. All it takes is one chip not doing what it is supposed
to, to make the card go into your junk bin.

3) For Firewire, best choice is TI chipsets. Second best choice or
an equal choice, could be a Lucent (Agere) solution. VIA is further
down the list. Don't take my word for it, Google for details - in
particular, look for threads about camcorders and not being able to
stream movies etc. TI seems to do well for that. If the card is for
Firewire hard drives, then maybe more of them would have worked.

4) For USB, best choice is a NEC USB2 chip. Occasionally, the NEC will
blow out a port, so perhaps they aren't completely bullet-proof against
static discharge. But in terms of device function, I believe the
original driver development, was done with a NEC device as the target.

If you have plenty of PCI card slots, then go for separate cards for the
functions.

In terms of "nicest concept", this Koutech KW-F7002 consists of a PCI
card, a ribbon cable, and a 5 1/4" disk drive tray. The ribbon cable
takes care of the internal wiring. [Manual line wrap to suit my
USENET server - it rejects postings with long lines, and I don't
use Tinyurl.]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Showimage.asp?Mode=&Type=&Image=15-104-205-05.JPG
%2C15-104-205-06.JPG%2C15-104-205-07.JPG%2C15-104-205-08.JPG
%2C15-104-205-04.JPG&CurImage=15-104-205-07.JPG&
Description=Koutech+PCI+to+USB%2F1394a+Card+w%2FFront+Panel+Model+KW-F7002+-+Retail

The fact that the current model shown is KW-F7002V, implies the PCI
card could be using two VIA chips (i.e. not as pictured on the site),
instead of the nicer HINT PCI bridge plus NEC USB2 and VIA Firewire.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815104205

The only problem with the product, would seem to be the choice of
materials for the disk drive tray. The drive tray should have
been metal, and provided a way to connect the shell of each front
panel connector, to the chassis of the computer. That does a better
job of redirecting static discharge into the chassis, instead of
blowing ports. The only grounds for the product, would be in the
ribbon cable, allowing coupling of ground transients into the data
pairs, blowing them up. The review comments for that product, note
that the NEC USB2 ports blow out one by one, implying insufficient
attention to static.

So while the Koutech design is a "nice concept", since you don't have
to find internal cabling, it isn't really worth the money.

I'd go with separate cards for Firewire and USB. You'll potentially pay
less money for it, and if there is a port failure, or if the chips
don't talk to your devices properly, you only have to replace one cheaper
card at a time. That allows you to get the best brand of chipset
on each card.

For best static protection, using ports on the back of the computer does
the best job of redirecting static into the chassis, instead of allowing
it to couple into data signals. Many computer front panels miss the
tiny quality details, to make the front ports as bulletproof to static,
as the back ports.

HTH,
Paul
 
B

Brian A.

RJK said:
Thanks Brian A.,

I'll try again, ...one thing just crossed my mind - I've been assuming a that
1394a/b motherboard pin-header is different to a motherboard USB pin-header,
...don't tell me they're the same thing ! ::::. ...or is that key-pin on the
wrong side ! ? ...don't tell me they're the same thing ! (as you can tell, I
haven't had much to do with firewire, though I did find it interesting, a while
ago, reading about all the troubles people have had with the faster (b/800)
version).

They are both 5x5 headers with 9 pins on the board I'm looking at the manual, I
have seen some with 10 pins. The keyed pin shows to be the same but the rest of the
pins have different functions.
See: http://basconotw.mvps.org/inq4.htm
A while ago I put in a "33 in 1" 3 1/4" bay memory card reader that also has
Mic\Audio/USB port/and firewire ports on the front of it. I recently connected the
USB cable from it - to a spare motherboard USB pin header, and would now like to
connect the 1394a cable which has a "Intel std. 'block' 9 pin plug on it, which
...thinking about it is the same layout motherboard (9pin ) USB pin-headers ? :)

I could only find one pci card with a 1394a pin header on it :-
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815124034

..so, I've spent ages trawling through UK sites trying to find a "block 9 pin to
firewire plug converter" or a pci card with more sockets at the rear, including USB
2.0 support/ports AND a 1394aANDb support 9 pin header on it in addition to, or
rather than, the "internal" firewire port that's on lots of these type of card.
Well, If it's going to use a pci slot, I want as much on it as possible. ...and if
there was one out there with IDE ATA133 port/s on it, that would be lovely !
...but, somehow I don't think so !

Have a look at this company:
http://www.startech.com/Product/ItemSpecs.aspx?productid=PCI3UV22F&c=US

and:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...187118979&name=PCI+Express+to+1394+/+USB+Card
When I was younger and more patient, I'd have thought nothing of determining the
pin-outs, chopping the thing off and fitting my own plug, ...mind you, ...during
the time I've spent wading through hardware vendor sites, I could have done it
several times over by now.
...nowadays I just want something I can plug in !


--

Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
 
R

RJK

Thanks Paul, Much obliged, LOVE the www.frontx.com link

regards, Richard


Paul said:
RJK said:
Thanks Paul
http://www.frontx.com/cpx105_2.html is to all intents and purposes what
I've got,
and I want a pci card with a 1394a pin header like:-
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815124034
and, if possible with more on it e.g. some USB ports on it as well,
seeingas it's going to take a pci slot.

regards, Richard

My recommendation to you is:

1) Use PCI cards with a single function, for best compatibility.

Occasionally, there are combo PCI cards where the address decoding
is not done properly - i.e. some barebones systems come with a
custom PCI card, and if that card shows up on Ebay, it only really
works properly with the motherboard it came with. But that
doesn't happen too often. If the combo card is coming from a
major retailer (or you can trace that part number as being for sale
at a major retailer), it'll do the right thing.

2) Feedback on combo cards, is general dissatisfaction with chip
performance. All it takes is one chip not doing what it is supposed
to, to make the card go into your junk bin.

3) For Firewire, best choice is TI chipsets. Second best choice or
an equal choice, could be a Lucent (Agere) solution. VIA is further
down the list. Don't take my word for it, Google for details - in
particular, look for threads about camcorders and not being able to
stream movies etc. TI seems to do well for that. If the card is for
Firewire hard drives, then maybe more of them would have worked.

4) For USB, best choice is a NEC USB2 chip. Occasionally, the NEC will
blow out a port, so perhaps they aren't completely bullet-proof against
static discharge. But in terms of device function, I believe the
original driver development, was done with a NEC device as the target.

If you have plenty of PCI card slots, then go for separate cards for the
functions.

In terms of "nicest concept", this Koutech KW-F7002 consists of a PCI
card, a ribbon cable, and a 5 1/4" disk drive tray. The ribbon cable
takes care of the internal wiring. [Manual line wrap to suit my
USENET server - it rejects postings with long lines, and I don't
use Tinyurl.]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Showimage.asp?Mode=&Type=&Image=15-104-205-05.JPG
%2C15-104-205-06.JPG%2C15-104-205-07.JPG%2C15-104-205-08.JPG
%2C15-104-205-04.JPG&CurImage=15-104-205-07.JPG&

Description=Koutech+PCI+to+USB%2F1394a+Card+w%2FFront+Panel+Model+KW-F7002+-+Retail

The fact that the current model shown is KW-F7002V, implies the PCI
card could be using two VIA chips (i.e. not as pictured on the site),
instead of the nicer HINT PCI bridge plus NEC USB2 and VIA Firewire.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815104205

The only problem with the product, would seem to be the choice of
materials for the disk drive tray. The drive tray should have
been metal, and provided a way to connect the shell of each front
panel connector, to the chassis of the computer. That does a better
job of redirecting static discharge into the chassis, instead of
blowing ports. The only grounds for the product, would be in the
ribbon cable, allowing coupling of ground transients into the data
pairs, blowing them up. The review comments for that product, note
that the NEC USB2 ports blow out one by one, implying insufficient
attention to static.

So while the Koutech design is a "nice concept", since you don't have
to find internal cabling, it isn't really worth the money.

I'd go with separate cards for Firewire and USB. You'll potentially pay
less money for it, and if there is a port failure, or if the chips
don't talk to your devices properly, you only have to replace one cheaper
card at a time. That allows you to get the best brand of chipset
on each card.

For best static protection, using ports on the back of the computer does
the best job of redirecting static into the chassis, instead of allowing
it to couple into data signals. Many computer front panels miss the
tiny quality details, to make the front ports as bulletproof to static,
as the back ports.

HTH,
Paul
 

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