installing win98 over xp pro

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I have posted here before about the problem with the tooltips that wouldn't
die. It has been more than 7 days 5 hrs/day reading forums, trying fixes,
rebooting, just to find they are still there and more vibrant than i am by
now. Today I used "find" in the registry, (for the words tool, tooltips,
balloon) and changed values to 0, or no value). I changed every single
result, 29 reg keys, rebooted, opned .dlls in a text format and deleted any
reference to tooltips, and the tooltips were thriving still!

I have missed the dentist, have houseguests coming, and THIS is what I've
been doing! Even now, tooltips is taunting me. "enter the message" it nags.

ok. It seems tooltips are more important than anything else in winxp pro,
including the user, so I am giving up.
What I would like to know is whether I would encounter problems installing
win98 over winxp pro. The machine came with xp, so it would be totally new.
Anything I should expect to go wrong?

I am starting to envy the luddites.
 
cw the y place> said:
ok. It seems tooltips are more important than anything else in winxp pro,
including the user, so I am giving up.
What I would like to know is whether I would encounter problems installing
win98 over winxp pro. The machine came with xp, so it would be totally
new.
Anything I should expect to go wrong?

I'm not sure why you would want to revert to Win98 from XP...but before you
do something so drastic, check out tip #11 at Kelly's website:

http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm
 
DJ said:
I'm not sure why you would want to revert to Win98 from XP...but before you
do something so drastic, check out tip #11 at Kelly's website:

http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm
I can think of a few good reasons to go back to 98.

Speed is one thing, a 2Ghz ,machine will run like hell fire with windows
98 instaled.

Stability is another, most of windows 98 problems are now sorted.

Win98 gives you more control over what you want to do or not want to do.

Since XP is now becoming the norm, less people are bothering to hack
into 98 systems or even bothering to write viruses that works on 98


I been thinking of going back to 98 myself, but it will take a lot of
work, since my hard drives are all NTFS.



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I can think of a few good reasons to go back to 98.

Speed is one thing, a 2Ghz ,machine will run like hell fire with
windows 98 instaled.

So should XP, given enough RAM.
Stability is another, most of windows 98 problems are now sorted.

*choke*

Most of the Windows 98 problems are related to the inherited architecture it
is built upon. These problems can only be sorted with format c:
Since XP is now becoming the norm, less people are bothering to hack
into 98 systems or even bothering to write viruses that works on 98

The same is true for patches, fixes and security products. I do not for one
single second believe that any Windows 98 installation will be more secure
than an updated XP installation. If you really want to rely on the age of an
OS for security, install MS-DOS. And don't install a TCP/IP stack. Please.

I can only think of one legitimate reasons to downgrade to 98, and that is
to run legacy MS-DOS/Win9x software that does not run on XP. And even then I
would have 98 in a dual boot setup, or running within Virtual PC or similar
software. If you really have to downgrade from XP, at least consider 2000.
 
Thank you for the suggestion. I tried that on Wed, Feb 16. It didn't work.
 
André Gulliksen wrote:

So should XP, given enough RAM.
Now this is crux of the matter. you see we buy faster machines , so
things get done faster, we buy more memory, so the computer runs smother.
Then microsoft brings out windows Xp, which means we have to buy faster
machines again and more memory, so we can get the speed back.
Microsoft is not the only software publisher that does it, but they are
one of the worse.
You take a look at Adobe Acrobat reader, the last few versions have got
larger and larger and yet offer very little new.
Office is another, realplayer, windows media player, messenger, yahoo
messenger.
I could go on.
It is just going around in circles, and you end up forever upgrading.

Windows 98 is very stable, well the SE version is.

is built upon. These problems can only be sorted with format c:

I got a computer here, that have been running windows 98 for 5 years,
never been reformatted and is on almost 24 hours a day. No problem with
it at all.
The same is true for patches, fixes and security products. I do not for one
single second believe that any Windows 98 installation will be more secure
than an updated XP installation. If you really want to rely on the age of an
OS for security, install MS-DOS. And don't install a TCP/IP stack. Please.

But this is the problem, always updating, since day one that XP was
produced and even now patches after patches.


I can only think of one legitimate reasons to downgrade to 98, and that is
to run legacy MS-DOS/Win9x software that does not run on XP. And even then I
would have 98 in a dual boot setup, or running within Virtual PC or similar
software. If you really have to downgrade from XP, at least consider 2000.
2000 is no good, it do not work with most of the software I have got,
anyway, 2000 is still based on NT, just like XP.

I think I will try 8 on this machine and see what it is like, I can make
a ghost copy of set up.




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cw the y place> said:
Sorry, I forgot to mention it - I have it and tried it already, it didn't
work. They are still popping up much as they did when I put the
http://www.geocities.com/cwghosty/mspopuphell_index.html?1109190381312
page together. Despite the scary # of registry values I changed/deleted,
its as if, much like the child who has a steering wheel attached to the
carseat, I have a play keyboard & computer.

To be honest, I've never tried to disable them, though I also find them
annoying. I guess I've just gotten used to it.

Having gone through all the steps I've recommended, I, too, cannot make them
completely go away. It seems that they are very pervasive.

As a programmer, I can say that setting tooltips is the norm. In fact, it
is usually considered poor practice to *not* include them. Each language
has it's own method for implementing these types of "enhancements", which
would explain why they are so pervasive, as completely disabling them would
require disabling them in each language running on your machine.

Sorry I can't help more, but I can say that you may want to strongly
reconsider reverting to Win98. That may solve this problem, but it will
likely result in more issues than it solves. Particularly where security
and compatibility are concerned.
 
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André Gulliksen wrote:


Now this is crux of the matter. you see we buy faster machines , so
things get done faster, we buy more memory, so the computer runs
smother. Then microsoft brings out windows Xp, which means we have to
buy faster machines again and more memory, so we can get the speed
back.

I dunno...
I'm running WinXP on a P3 (RAM=500Mb). It's going guns.
I do all sorts of graphic prepress work with, often having 16+ major
applications doing things simultaneously. It's been pretty fast and stable
for me.
Microsoft is not the only software publisher that does it, but they
are one of the worse.
You take a look at Adobe Acrobat reader, the last few versions have
got larger and larger and yet offer very little new.

Adobe has had to make a lot of additions to the whole Acrobat package (not
just Reader), in order to offer every other conceivable application a way to
make PDFs, etc. Even with Reader itself, you'd find a lot of capabilities
missing in earlier versions. Some improvements may not be outwardly
"visible", as they apply to the various extras the software has to have in
order to handle ordinary tasks (like opening a document) when dealing with
products from the other newer apps.
Office is another, realplayer, windows media player, messenger, yahoo
messenger.
I could go on.
It is just going around in circles, and you end up forever upgrading.

Are you saying you don't see anything different or added to these programs??

I think you're just knee-jerking on this one!
While it's true that these software makers must be in their glory with all
the revisions they get to market, it's not without cause. The whole
computer scene has been undergoing a very rapid, and steady growth. No
sooner do you get used to WordPerfect 3, when you find yourself having to
learn version 12, it seems! New capabilities seem to sprout up every month,
leading to new softwares, immediately generating the need for other existing
programs to interact with them. (Etc., etc., etc.)

The applications keep getting more sophisticated...new capabilities enter
the picture...even new kiinds of hardware. Naturally, the operating systems
have to progress along with them.
Windows 98 is very stable, well the SE version is.

Win98 was "self-defeating"!
It loaded too many drivers for no reason on boot, didn't manage memory
properly, and didn't like to clear its own cache when it should've. It
always eventually "wrote itself into a corner", the longer it was used.
When you first installed it, it was functional. As you continued to use it,
it got slower, displayed errors, and crashed more often.

I think Win2000 was a definite improvement.
I used that for almost 5 years with much success.
I got a computer here, that have been running windows 98 for 5 years,
never been reformatted and is on almost 24 hours a day. No problem
with it at all.

It would be interesting to know what kind of use this computer got!

That would be the 1st installation of Win98 I've ever heard of with that
kind of track record.

This I would agree with.
But this is the problem, always updating, since day one that XP was
produced and even now patches after patches.

This is something I wish could be addressed.
Even before WinXP, everybody started releasing software as soon as it was
written, and then patching all the rips afterward. I really think it would
be more constructive all around if they went back to doing a little more R&D
before releasing, applying the immediate fixes, and releasing a "fresh" new
version number. (Eg. Instead of releasing Acrobat 4, then patching and
upgrading until it reaches version 4.1.7, let's say, hang on to it, discover
the need for the fixes, and release version 4.1.7 as version 4. Any
subsequent "patches" could be held for a bit, and then, when enough
submissions have been made, release an "upgrade" to version 4.5. The next
"release" should be version 5.)

2000 is no good, it do not work with most of the software I have got,
anyway, 2000 is still based on NT, just like XP.

I've always found NTFS to be far more stable than FAT (which is what Win98
and backward were built on). And with NTFS, you have "permissions",
something that makes locking down the unit and controlling its access and
users a lot easier.
I think I will try 8 on this machine and see what it is like, I can
make a ghost copy of set up.

Not a bad idea!
Just remember, there will probably be the need of previous versions of
programs that you like to run, as many of the ones running on that XP setup
won't work in 98.

Personally, I think the more you know about all your software and operating
system, the less likely you are to want to trash it!

(Good luck!)
- Brent
 
DJ said:
To be honest, I've never tried to disable them, though I also find
them annoying. I guess I've just gotten used to it.

Having gone through all the steps I've recommended, I, too, cannot
make them completely go away. It seems that they are very pervasive.

As a programmer, I can say that setting tooltips is the norm. In
fact, it is usually considered poor practice to *not* include them. Each
language has it's own method for implementing these types of
"enhancements", which would explain why they are so pervasive, as
completely disabling them would require disabling them in each
language running on your machine.
Sorry I can't help more, but I can say that you may want to strongly
reconsider reverting to Win98. That may solve this problem, but it
will likely result in more issues than it solves. Particularly where
security and compatibility are concerned.

There's one thing I have to say in all this.
It's something that I end up saying about probably every version of Windows
that has come out to date.

Quite often it's the "dealer" copy (OEM) of Windows that turns out to be the
problem. A fresh install always works much better, and updates & patches
are best installed along with it, before anything else goes on the drive.

- Brent
 

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