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Plato
Robert said:
No, you have to use the same connectors to your cd read only drive.
No, you have to use the same connectors to your cd read only drive.
R
Robert
Robert:
First of all, hold off on those purchases...
I'm pretty sure that Kingwin USB external HDD enclosure you mention is NOT
compatible with a SATA HDD such as the WD one you've also mentioned. That
USB enclosure supports *only* PATA (IDE) hard drives such as the type of HDD
currently installed in your Dell machine. So check that out.
Now you could purchase a SATA HDD for use in an enclosure that supports a
SATA HDD with the external enclosure supporting USB connectivity. So that
you could use that device with your Dell machine. But there's another
problem here...
I'm virtually certain your Dell 8200 has only USB 1 (1.1) capability, i.e.,
it does not support USB 2.0. As such, while you could use the USB external
HDD with your present system it would be slow - tortuously slow - when
employing the device as the recipient of the cloned contents of your
internal day-to-day HDD (which I'm assuming you're planning to do using the
Acronis program you've mentioned).
Now you can get around this by purchasing a PCI card that supports USB 2.0
capability. They're relatively inexpensive - see, for example,http://www.directron.com/aud041.html
(I'm assuming, of course, that you have an available vacant PCI slot in your
PC to install this card).
If you decide to go that general route, I would suggest purchasing an
external enclosure that has *both* USB-connectivity as well as direct
SATA-to-SATA connectivity. The difference in cost between the two types is
generally modest. Coupled with a SATA HDD (such as the WD one you've been
contemplating) this type of device could prove useful if & when at some
future point you purchase a new machine which will, no doubt, have built-in
SATA capability. SATA-to-SATA connectivity is decidedly superior to
USB-connectivity in terms of speed of operations.
I believe you've already received a flurry of responses re your optical
drive issue so I won't comment on that aspect.
One other thing...
While the Acronis True Image program is a fine program (incidentally, the
latest version is 11, not 10), we prefer the Casper 4.0 program for
disk-to-disk cloning rather than the Acronis program. We recently provided
details concerning the use of this program in a 11/18 posting to this
newsgroup under the subject...
"Re: My miserable experience in testing and "removing" the "Acronis
[alleged] True Image 11 Home" Backup product."
Take a look at it if you're interested. Or I can reost the info to this
newsgroup if you (or anyone else) is interested.
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I appreciate your taking the time to respond to my problem but to be
honest you've totally confused me and I don't understand half of what
you said only that it seems I'm screwed no matter what I decide to
do. I thought this was going to be a simple procedure and its turning
into a nightmare. In addition, I'm financially strapped so buying a
new computer is out of the question. Suggestions? and please keep it
simple.
Thanks,
Robert
R
Robert
I checked my control panel and didn't see a hardware management
section but checked my device manager and it says I have a USB
Composite/Controller/Serial Bus. I didn't see anything that said
Enhanced USB.
Robert
W
WaIIy
Robert, you need this -
1- Read This http://tinyurl.com/29dwjq
2 - Buy a new Seagate ATA, not SATA hard drive, ask a friend to go with
you or try Newegg.com. You don't need a billion gig drive.
3- Buy a CD/RW or a CD-DVD /RW - your choice. I like LG drives.
3- Connect the new hard drive (Read the instructions about the jumpers)
(Leave your old one where it is for now)
4- Refer to Number One or read the drive instructions
5- The Seagate CD will tell you what to do to move your current drive
information to the new drive.
6- Swap drives.
7- If everything is okay, delete or format the old drive which is not
the main drive anymore. NOT the C drive !!!!!!!! NOT the C Drive !!!
7- Install new CD/DVD drive. Don't worry about it working, Windows will
find it.
8- Install the CD/DVD software if you want it, it's usually pretty good.
9- Go have a beer.
If you have a computer savvy friend, have him or her help you.
R
Robert
Hi Wally,
I appreciate you taking the time to try and help me. I did go to the
link you gave but found it a little bewildering; "setting both drive
jumpers to Cable Select', make it a secondary master/slave on the
second IDE controller, entering system BIOS and configure boot
priority,... is this suppose to be user friendly? I have only a faint
idea what all that means. If I remember correctly the jumpers are
those little switches and hopefully they'll be labeled, but as I
remember they were just numbers.
I also checked out the Seagate hard drives on Newegg but the only
ATA's I was able to find were for notebooks. However I see a Seagate
Baracuda:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148134
and it says that it has a ATA intereface, will this work?
I wish I did have a computer saavy friend that could help but I'm on
my own.
Robert
R
Robert
I also just checked for LG's on Newegg and this is the oly one it came
up with but it says it connects via SATA so I can't use it?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136120
It seems like whatever I look up is SATA and my computer is out of
date with ATA.
Robert
A
Anna
Robert:
First of all, hold off on those purchases...
I'm pretty sure that Kingwin USB external HDD enclosure you mention is
NOT
compatible with a SATA HDD such as the WD one you've also mentioned. That
USB enclosure supports *only* PATA (IDE) hard drives such as the type of
HDD currently installed in your Dell machine. So check that out.
Now you could purchase a SATA HDD for use in an enclosure that supports a
SATA HDD with the external enclosure supporting USB connectivity. So that
you could use that device with your Dell machine. But there's another
problem here...
I'm virtually certain your Dell 8200 has only USB 1 (1.1) capability,
i.e.,
it does not support USB 2.0. As such, while you could use the USB
external
HDD with your present system it would be slow - tortuously slow - when
employing the device as the recipient of the cloned contents of your
internal day-to-day HDD (which I'm assuming you're planning to do using
the
Acronis program you've mentioned).
Now you can get around this by purchasing a PCI card that supports USB
2.0
capability. They're relatively inexpensive - see, for
example, http://www.directron.com/aud041.html
(I'm assuming, of course, that you have an available vacant PCI slot in
your
PC to install this card).
If you decide to go that general route, I would suggest purchasing an
external enclosure that has *both* USB-connectivity as well as direct
SATA-to-SATA connectivity. The difference in cost between the two types
is
generally modest. Coupled with a SATA HDD (such as the WD one you've been
contemplating) this type of device could prove useful if & when at some
future point you purchase a new machine which will, no doubt, have
built-in
SATA capability. SATA-to-SATA connectivity is decidedly superior to
USB-connectivity in terms of speed of operations.
I believe you've already received a flurry of responses re your optical
drive issue so I won't comment on that aspect.
One other thing...
While the Acronis True Image program is a fine program (incidentally, the
latest version is 11, not 10), we prefer the Casper 4.0 program for
disk-to-disk cloning rather than the Acronis program. We recently
provided
details concerning the use of this program in a 11/18 posting to this
newsgroup under the subject...
"Re: My miserable experience in testing and "removing" the "Acronis
[alleged] True Image 11 Home" Backup product."
Take a look at it if you're interested. Or I can re
newsgroup if you (or anyone else) is interested.
Anna
Robert said:
Robert:
I'm sorry I confused you in my response to your query. Let me see if I can
clarify and at the same time simplify at least a portion of my comments for
your benefit and possibly the benefit of others...
First of all - and I don't mean this in any condescending way - take a deep
breath and relax. This is not any "nightmare" situation. You just have to
take things calmly on a step-by-step basis trying to understand each step
along the way.
Your present Dell desktop PC is equipped for USB 1.0 or 1.1. At this time it
does not support the USB 2.0 protocol. You seem to understand that USB 2.0
is a superior protocol as compared to USB 1.0 (1.1) in that its speed of
data transfer is considerably faster than USB 1.0 (1.1). This fact is
particularly important in your case because you're planning to use a disk
cloning/disk imaging program as a comprehensive backup program (a most
worthwhile objective) - you mention the Acronis program - for the purpose of
copying *all* the data from your internal HDD to a USB external HDD.
Presumably you would be doing this on a routine systematic basis. At least I
hope so.
I tried to point out to you that using the built-in USB 1.0 (1.1) capability
of your Dell PC would result in an extremely slow data transfer rate.
Extremely slow. Most users would find this lack of speed intolerable within
the context of routinely using a disk cloning/disk imaging program as a
backup system. The fact that the USB external enclosure you would be using
would be USB 2.0 capable is irrelevant *unless* you equipped your PC with
USB 2.0 capability - which you *could* do by purchasing a PCI card that
supports USB 2.0 and install that card in a vacant PCI slot within your
computer. Then you would have USB 2.0 capability through the connection to
your USB 2.0 external HDD.
Do you now understand the above explanation?
If you're still puzzled by my previous comments as they relate to PATA -
SATA hard drives as they relate to an external enclosure, I'll try to
clarify my remarks should you want. But you must make it clear what
precisely is confusing you.
Anna
W
WaIIy
Anna - my daughters name
I'm not so sure Robert wants an external drive. Maybe he can clarify.
I 'think' the conversation became convoluted and the external thing came
up.
W
WaIIy
The instructions that come with a new drive are pretty clear. I
understand it is a bit intimidating, but there isn't a simpler way that
I know of.
That link didn't work for me. A Barracuda IDE (ATA) would be fine.
Newegg sells a lot of OEMdrives and I'm not so sure they will come with
the software CD you need. Yes, you can download stuff to get around
this, but things get more complicated for you.
You could just go to Best Buy and get something like this....
Seagate - 160GB Internal Hard Drive
Model: ST3160023A-RK | SKU: 6072224
$84.99
http://tinyurl.com/2kpzfl
For the burner, there are a ton on NewEgg or just go to Best Buy
and get something like this... (They have cheaper ones)
I bought this one and it's great.
LG - SecurDisc 20x Internal Double-Layer
DVD±RW/CD-RW Super Multi Drive
Model: GSA-H55LI | SKU: 8363406
$74.99
http://tinyurl.com/2j4khw
I guess I'm assuming you're in the USA and can get to a Best Buy.
The main thing is you have to hook up the new drive and transfer your
current drives info to it.
A
Anna
WaIIy said:Anna - my daughters name
I'm not so sure Robert wants an external drive. Maybe he can clarify.
I 'think' the conversation became convoluted and the external thing came
up.
Wally:
Did he not state in one of his previous posts...
"> First, before my hard drive crashes I want to build an external hard
Wouldn't one reasonably conclude from this that he plans to use a USB
enclosure with the Acronis program for backup purposes - hopefully on a
routine systematic basis? There's certainly nothing wrong with this. On the
contrary it seems to me a most wise strategy.
Anna
W
WaIIy
He stated that stuff because he was confused by advice on usb 2.0, etc.
The above was just Robert restating what was told to him.
He doesn't need Acronis, he doesn't need an external drive and he has
limited funds.
Here are his original comments regarding a second hard drive. All the
advice on external USB was over the top and not needed by Robert.
I'm "assuming" by his comments below, that he didn't notice the other
connector on his ribbon. No matter, as I believe a new Seagate comes
with a ribbon. In any case, his Dell can handle two internal hard
drives.
"Thank you very much, I appreciate the advice. However another question
has come to mind. I'm wondering now whether I should upgrade my hard
drive given the age of the computer before it crashes. I assume I do
the same procedure as with the dvd/rw drive but my question is how do
I move my files etc off my hard drive to the new one? I don't have a
separate hard drive so I assume I need to build/buy one and acquire
something like Norton ghost before changing the hard drive. Or can I
just insert another hard drive and copy the files over? However, when
I had the computer opened up to disconnect the 3 1/2 connectors
because when I powered it up today it was making a terrible noise I
didn't see any other connectors for another hard drive while I was
looking. So does this mean that it can only handle one hard drive?"
Robert
R
Robert
Again, I want to thank both of you for your time. To clarify; this is
what I was thinking I want to do. Since my 3 1/2 inch drive is useless
and was making noice I opened up my computer and disconnected it.
After I closed it back up I decided to upgrade my cd-drive to a dvd/rw
so that I could make copies of pictures and so be able to have photos
made from the rw disk. I asked if there were any suggestions for a
particular dvd/rw drive since I don't know anything about the brand
names or what to look for. I then thought that since my 3 1/2 inch had
stopped working perhaps my hard drive was also nearing its end. That
is why I asked for suggestions for brand types as I know nothing
whatsoever about these either and or how to install them since I've
never done this before but I'm sure with a little coaching I can
accomplish it but I had no idea it would become so complicated. The
external drive came into the discussion because I knew of no other way
to transfer all my files etc from my present C: drive to the new hard
drive and I thought it might be prudent to have a external hard drive
in case my hard drive crashes. Wally is quite correct that I'm
financially strapped, so that is a consideration. The issues that have
been confusing me are the abbreviations and computer related terms
SATA, ATA, PATA, IDE, BIOS,Controller, jumpers
etc. Since you seem to be familar with these terms its normal to you
but to someone like me they are new and I've never seen them before
and requires some defintion. That's why I asked to please bear with
me. Oh and a last point, yes, I'm in the U.S. California, actually.
So I would appreciate any help either of you can give me and I
appreciate the time you've already spent in trying to walk me through
this.
Robert
Thanks,
Robert
R
Robert
Hello Wally,
Just wanted to let you know that I just ordered the Seagate 160GB and
the LG DVD/RW from Best Buy.
Robert
W
WaIIy
Hey Robert, just hope you get it fixed up. You don't need to be
concerned about, SATA, Bios, etc. When you buy a drive, just
tell them your computer is 5? years old and you need an EIDE (ATA)
drive. As far as jumpers are concerned, the drive directions will show
you.
The jumper is just a little connector you have to carefully remove and
move. (maybe move) This is what they look like....
http://www.seagate.com/images/support/en/us/u5_family_1.gif
The Seagate drive is already set for 'Cable Select', so you don't
have to worry about it, the computer will do it for you.
You only need to put the drive connector location as shown here...
http://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index.j...toid=cbc974850ce0e010VgnVCM100000dd04090aRCRD
A new (Seagate) hard drive comes with instructions and all you have to
do to phsically install it is to add the drive rails and slide it in.
The rails are on each side of your drive and also on your CD drive.
You just push in each side as you pull on the rail and it slides out.
There are spare rails somewhere inside your computer for an additional
drive. Use the Dell screws for the new drive, not the screws that come
with the drive. The Dell screws are special for the Dell drive rails.
If you want to start out slow, just do the CD/DVD drive and report back.
Maybe one thing at a time.
The products I listed are just suggestions and they should be in stock
at Best Buy. I do know the LG burner is a nice one, as it's the one I
bought a few months ago and it is flawless.
Several manufacturers make hard drives and Seagate and Western Digital
have good reputations. I've had good luck with Seagate.
I'm repeating the stuff I wrote before.....
Robert, you need this -
1- Read This http://tinyurl.com/29dwjq
2 - Buy a new Seagate ATA, not SATA hard drive, ask a friend to go with
you or try Newegg.com. You don't need a billion gig drive.
3- Buy a CD/RW or a CD-DVD /RW - your choice. I like LG drives.
3- Connect the new hard drive (Read the instructions about the jumpers)
(Leave your old one where it is for now)
4- Refer to Number One or read the drive instructions
5- The Seagate CD will tell you what to do to move your current drive
information to the new drive.
6- Swap drives.
7- If everything is okay, delete or format the old drive which is not
the main drive anymore. NOT the C drive !!!!!!!! NOT the C Drive !!!
7- Install new CD/DVD drive. Don't worry about it working, Windows will
find it.
8- Install the CD/DVD software if you want it, it's usually pretty good.
9- Go have a beer.
If you have a computer savvy friend, have him or her help you.
The instructions that come with a new drive are pretty clear. I
understand it is a bit intimidating, but there isn't a simpler way that
I know of.
That link didn't work for me. A Barracuda IDE (ATA) would be fine.
Newegg sells a lot of OEMdrives and I'm not so sure they will come with
the software CD you need. Yes, you can download stuff to get around
this, but things get more complicated for you.
You could just go to Best Buy and get something like this....
Seagate - 160GB Internal Hard Drive
Model: ST3160023A-RK | SKU: 6072224
$84.99
http://tinyurl.com/2kpzfl
For the burner, there are a ton on NewEgg or just go to Best Buy
and get something like this... (They have cheaper ones)
I bought this one and it's great.
LG - SecurDisc 20x Internal Double-Layer
DVD±RW/CD-RW Super Multi Drive
Model: GSA-H55LI | SKU: 8363406
$74.99
http://tinyurl.com/2j4khw
I guess I'm assuming you're in the USA and can get to a Best Buy.
W
WaIIy
You're a brave man, Robert.
If you're waiting for the drives, read through this stuff and become
more comfortable with your computer. I have a Dell that is basically
like yours and I've gone through this several times.
http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/dim8200/
Also, here's my e-mail. If you want, send me your number and I can call
(unlimited long-distance) or you can call me. I'm in Cleveland.
My e-mail--
(e-mail address removed)
Just reverse the letters between @ and com
Put Robert Computer in the subject line so I don't delete it.
W
WaIIy
Your new burner supports Lightscribe.
Ps - If you have the time, go here and read about it. You can buy CD
and DVD disks with a special coating on top to make nice labels.
You just make a cd or dvd, flip it over and put it back in your drive
to make the label.
Oh, by the way, when you buy CDs and DVDs, get Verbatim brand.
They don't need to be Lightscribe if you don't want to use the
Lightscribe labeling.
http://www.lightscribe.com/
If you decide you might want to ever make Lightscribe disks, download
these two things and just save them until later. Then you will have the
newest drivers.
Lightscribe System Software
http://www.lightscribe.com/downloadsection/Windows/index.aspx?id=810
Lightscribe Template Labeler
http://www.lightscribe.com/downloadSection/windows/index.aspx?id=1524
Don't be concerned about the size, you're going to have a 160 gig drive
shortly.
R
Robert
I just tried to email you and reversed the letters but it came back
undelivered. In any case I can let you know my progress here. I think
I will concentrate on installing the LG drive for the present and once
thats accomplished then I can move to install the Seagate and deal
with the BIOS, Partitioning etc. In the meantime I'll read up on what
you've given me.
Robert
W
WaIIy
Good path to go, Robert.
Try this -
(e-mail address removed)
Put my name where the XXXXX are.
You'll be very pleased with your result.
R
Robert
Robert:
First of all, hold off on those purchases...
I'm pretty sure that Kingwin USB external HDD enclosure you mention is
NOT
compatible with a SATA HDD such as the WD one you've also mentioned. That
USB enclosure supports *only* PATA (IDE) hard drives such as the type of
HDD currently installed in your Dell machine. So check that out.
Now you could purchase a SATA HDD for use in an enclosure that supports a
SATA HDD with the external enclosure supporting USB connectivity. So that
you could use that device with your Dell machine. But there's another
problem here...
I'm virtually certain your Dell 8200 has only USB 1 (1.1) capability,
i.e.,
it does not support USB 2.0. As such, while you could use the USB
external
HDD with your present system it would be slow - tortuously slow - when
employing the device as the recipient of the cloned contents of your
internal day-to-day HDD (which I'm assuming you're planning to do using
the
Acronis program you've mentioned).
Now you can get around this by purchasing a PCI card that supports USB
2.0
capability. They're relatively inexpensive - see, for
example,http://www.directron.com/aud041.html
(I'm assuming, of course, that you have an available vacant PCI slot in
your
PC to install this card).
If you decide to go that general route, I would suggest purchasing an
external enclosure that has *both* USB-connectivity as well as direct
SATA-to-SATA connectivity. The difference in cost between the two types
is
generally modest. Coupled with a SATA HDD (such as the WD one you've been
contemplating) this type of device could prove useful if & when at some
future point you purchase a new machine which will, no doubt, have
built-in
SATA capability. SATA-to-SATA connectivity is decidedly superior to
USB-connectivity in terms of speed of operations.
I believe you've already received a flurry of responses re your optical
drive issue so I won't comment on that aspect.
One other thing...
While the Acronis True Image program is a fine program (incidentally, the
latest version is 11, not 10), we prefer the Casper 4.0 program for
disk-to-disk cloning rather than the Acronis program. We recently
provided
details concerning the use of this program in a 11/18 posting to this
newsgroup under the subject...
"Re: My miserable experience in testing and "removing" the "Acronis
[alleged] True Image 11 Home" Backup product."
Take a look at it if you're interested. Or I can re
newsgroup if you (or anyone else) is interested.
Anna
Robert:
I'm sorry I confused you in my response to your query. Let me see if I can
clarify and at the same time simplify at least a portion of my comments for
your benefit and possibly the benefit of others...
First of all - and I don't mean this in any condescending way - take a deep
breath and relax. This is not any "nightmare" situation. You just have to
take things calmly on a step-by-step basis trying to understand each step
along the way.
Your present Dell desktop PC is equipped for USB 1.0 or 1.1. At this time it
does not support the USB 2.0 protocol. You seem to understand that USB 2.0
is a superior protocol as compared to USB 1.0 (1.1) in that its speed of
data transfer is considerably faster than USB 1.0 (1.1). This fact is
particularly important in your case because you're planning to use a disk
cloning/disk imaging program as a comprehensive backup program (a most
worthwhile objective) - you mention the Acronis program - for the purpose of
copying *all* the data from your internal HDD to a USB external HDD.
Presumably you would be doing this on a routine systematic basis. At least I
hope so.
I tried to point out to you that using the built-in USB 1.0 (1.1) capability
of your Dell PC would result in an extremely slow data transfer rate.
Extremely slow. Most users would find this lack of speed intolerable within
the context of routinely using a disk cloning/disk imaging program as a
backup system. The fact that the USB external enclosure you would be using
would be USB 2.0 capable is irrelevant *unless* you equipped your PC with
USB 2.0 capability - which you *could* do by purchasing a PCI card that
supports USB 2.0 and install that card in a vacant PCI slot within your
computer. Then you would have USB 2.0 capability through the connection to
your USB 2.0 external HDD.
Do you now understand the above explanation?
If you're still puzzled by my previous comments as they relate to PATA -
SATA hard drives as they relate to an external enclosure, I'll try to
clarify my remarks should you want. But you must make it clear what
precisely is confusing you.
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Yes, I understand what you are trying to say now, I guess I was just
frustrated with all the things I read about installing a hard drive
e.g. setting the BIOS, paritioning etc. For the present I've decided
to concentrate on installing the LG DVD/RW drive and then the Seagate
hard drive I've purchased. Afterwards, I would still like to address
the issue of buying a separate hard drive as I think its important to
have a back up of my hard drive in case theres some sort of failure or
problem in the future. I did check on the back of my computer and it
seems that theres (1) slot available so that I might be able to buy a
PCI card and become USB 2.0 compatable but again this is after I
install the drives. I assume that if I install a PCI card then it
needs cables to run to the motherboard?
I didn't mean to cause any disagreement between you and Wally as you
are both trying to help me. I went with Wally's suggestions for the
DVD/RW drive as well as the Seagate hard drive as I requested
suggestions for brands names and types since I know nothing about
these and he was the only one who responded with suggestions and
apparently I needed the ATA configuration versus the SATA which I
assume is a newer version. I also liked how he explained things in
steps which make it easier for me to understand. In any case, I
appreciate both of you trying to give me a hand and walk me through
this.
Robert
R
Robert
I must be doing something wrong, I mean I've mastered sending emails
and replaced your name with the X's and deleted the ... but it keeps
coming back undelivered. Am I missing something?
As I said I can keep in contact here and perhaps its better so that
those with a similar problem can view it.
Robert