Ink compatibility between MP730 and ip4200 (Canon)

[Jacques E. Bouchard]

I've asked this question of re-inks.com, but I got a vague response, as
though they'd rather sell me new sets of ink.

I have quite a bit of ink left for my Canon MP730nk, which I'd like to use
in my new ip4200. The re-inks.com catalog numbers are different, but I was
wondering whether the inks were compatible, aside from the ip4200's
pigmented black ink tank, of course.

Any idea?


jaybee

 

[Stick Stickus]

The inks used in the new range of canon printers have a different formula to
those used in your 730.
It is possible you could get away with using the black as I believe that is
the same, but the colours are not.

 

[zakezuke]

I've asked this question of re-inks.com, but I got a vague response, as
though they'd rather sell me new sets of ink.

I have quite a bit of ink left for my Canon MP730nk, which I'd like to use
in my new ip4200. The re-inks.com catalog numbers are different, but I was
wondering whether the inks were compatible, aside from the ip4200's
pigmented black ink tank, of course.

Any idea?

They probally don't know.

This is using hobbicolors WC8 ink in a BCI-6 printer.

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Now I took the time to set the printer to Japanese mode, which would be
bci-7 cartridges, but I had issues installing the Japanese driver and
setting to japanese mode turned all the text on the printer Japanese,
with no obvious method of setting the screen to English or anything
else. So in all honesty this is what I believe one can expect from
using the new ink in an old printer set to the old mode.

The major difference is in the magenta. At least for image specalists
colors, looks like it's shifted tward the yellow. In fact the last
time I looked at the Image Specalist catalog, the only difference was
in the Magenta catalog number. I personaly don't know re-ink's
product, but if you are able to get away with using old ink in a new
printer, you "may" be able to get away with using all colors except
magenta. I don't know this for a fact, why not do a color swatch, scan
them, and share it with the rest of us.

 

[Jacques E. Bouchard]

The major difference is in the magenta. At least for image specalists
colors, looks like it's shifted tward the yellow. In fact the last
time I looked at the Image Specalist catalog, the only difference was
in the Magenta catalog number. I personaly don't know re-ink's
product, but if you are able to get away with using old ink in a new
printer, you "may" be able to get away with using all colors except
magenta. I don't know this for a fact, why not do a color swatch,
scan them, and share it with the rest of us.

Thanks. I insisted with re-inks, and they finally admitted that most of my
old ink will work, except for magenta, as you say. So I'll have to buy new
magenta and pigmented black for the ip4200.


jaybee

 

[measekite]

the only ink that is compatible with the canon ip4200 printer is the ink
that is recommended for the canon ip5200. not even the ink that is for
the ip4000 is recommended.

 

[Larry B. Scott]

The simple answer is no. Straight from the source:

http://estore.usa.canon.com/SearchResults.asp?OnlyInks=T&Item_Id=31602&ProductName=MultiPASS+MP730+

http://estore.usa.canon.com/SearchResults.asp?OnlyInks=T&Item_Id=34628&ProductName=PIXMA+iP4200

Unless you have a difference MP730 you can't reuse any of them. MP730
uses BCI-3s while the iP4200 uses CLI-8s. The cartridges may look the
same, but they are pretty different.

 

[Martin]

Thanks. I insisted with re-inks, and they finally admitted that most of my
old ink will work, except for magenta, as you say. So I'll have to buy new
magenta and pigmented black for the ip4200.


jaybee

Seems you got your answer already but just to note my own supplies are
the same for the Pigment Black, Yellow and Cyan.. Only the Magenta and
Photo Black inks were different between the MP750/iP4000 and the new
iP4200/5200/iX4000 inks.

Ref: Gemini Colours (NL)

 

[Jacques E. Bouchard]

The simple answer is no. Straight from the source:

http://estore.usa.canon.com/SearchResults.asp?OnlyInks=T&Item_Id=31602&
ProductName=MultiPASS+MP730+

http://estore.usa.canon.com/SearchResults.asp?OnlyInks=T&Item_Id=34628&
ProductName=PIXMA+iP4200

Unless you have a difference MP730 you can't reuse any of them. MP730
uses BCI-3s while the iP4200 uses CLI-8s. The cartridges may look the
same, but they are pretty different.

I'd hardly consider Canon to be objective in the manner, as they'd as soon
have me replace cartridges rather than refill anyway. And the links you
gave say nothing about the *ink* itself.

I received satisfactory answers from re-inks and some members here. Thanks
to all.


jaybee

 

[Jacques E. Bouchard]

Seems you got your answer already but just to note my own supplies are
the same for the Pigment Black, Yellow and Cyan.. Only the Magenta and
Photo Black inks were different between the MP750/iP4000 and the new
iP4200/5200/iX4000 inks.

Ref: Gemini Colours (NL)

That's essentially the answer I'm getting everywhere.

Thanks.


jaybee

 

[Larry B. Scott]

When you said ***INK*** I didn't assume you were literally talking
about ink to refill. I thought you were talking about the cartridges.
I am not trying to vouch for Canon. I was trying to help.

Of course they want you to buy more cartridges, and one of the ways
they do this is by coming out with new cartridge models. They may all
seem the same, but in reality some of them might actually be different
enough where you can't keep using the same ink. It's been about 4
years since Canon put out the cartridges for your MP730, so it's pretty
safe to say that their formula has changed a little bit. Will you
notice a difference if you use the old ink in a newer printer?
Probably not, unless you are a professional.

I guess the point I am trying to make is that Canon will do everything
to frustrate people who want to refill. This means tweaking little
things that might add up to noticeable differences. So they might
change their formula just a little, change the way their newer printers
handle ink etc. So, just keep an eye on the results you are getting.

 

[zakezuke]

I guess the point I am trying to make is that Canon will do everything
to frustrate people who want to refill. This means tweaking little
things that might add up to noticeable differences. So they might
change their formula just a little, change the way their newer printers
handle ink etc. So, just keep an eye on the results you are getting.

Actually, from my understanding they changed the formula in their
printers for longevity. I must also agree I like the new red, so that
change IMHO is an improvement. I don't think the ink has anything to
do with refilling frustration. You can match the color easily enough.

Now... the chips on the cartridges, that's to frustrate refillers, and
to prevent you from buying ink directly from Japan, who have bci-7e
cartridges for their printers, and the rest of the world has CLI-8.
Same ink, but it costs them 40% less.

You "can" tweek your printer to accept japanese cartridges if you so
desire. If I knew of a place to order from and the actual cost of
shipping i'd consider getting some OEM from there.