If you are for Copyright Reform, you are a Commie!

[kurttrail]

http://software.silicon.com/os/0,39024651,39126890,00.htm

Q: In recent years, there's been a lot of people clamouring to reform
and restrict intellectual-property rights. What's driving this, and do
you think intellectual-property laws need to be reformed?

Billy G: No, I'd say that of the world's economies, there's more that
believe in intellectual property today than ever. There are fewer
communists in the world today than there were. There are some new
modern-day sort of communists who want to get rid of the incentive for
musicians and moviemakers and software makers under various guises. They
don't think that those incentives should exist.

Thanks Billy G! Under our Founding Fathers, the limited duration of
Copyright protection was just that of 13 years. Windows 3.1 would be
going into the public domain next month, if we were operating under the
traditional values of our Founding Fathers. But I guess that anyone
that believes that the duration of Copyrights should outlive the author
in perpetuity is a communist!

Thanks for clearing that up for all of us, you god-damned Copyright
Nazi! I'm glad that the Führer of a proven Copyright and Patent
infringing corporation is on the frontlines of fighting for Copyrights
lasting in perpetuity. The 1000 year Copyright Reich! Zieg Heil!

"The Congress shall have Power . . . . To promote the Progress of
Science and useful Arts, by securing for *limited* *Times* to Authors
and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and
Discoveries." - US Constitution

What's all this have to do with Windows XP? Well I'll tell you, so that
the server boys have NO *real* reason to pull this post. ;-)

MS, in its WinXP EULA avails its self all the protections under
Copyright Law, but then rewrites the Limitations that Congress has
placed on Copyright Owners in Copyright Law. MS is the proven
infringer, yet they want you to believe that you, the paying customer,
is infringing on their Copyright when installing Windows XP on more than
one computer for your private non-commercial use, yet not ONE person has
EVER been found to have done ANYTHING wrong for copying and using
Copyrighted Material that was legally sold to them for their own private
non-commercial use. Microsoft and their Führer are either unwilling or
unable to prove this is illegal under the law, so they use their EULA,
and the behavior modification tactics of PA and WGA, and outright
propaganda to try to convince you that your RIGHT to "fair use" is wrong
and legal.

Make MS legally prove their nonsense, before you believe their
propaganda! The MicroReich will not last forever, if you stand up
against their Copyright fascism!

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[Guest]

Just "another" anti-Microsoft person
All I hear is BLAH-BLAH-BLAH
Stop wasting band-width
Nobody is seriously gonna listen to you except to laugh

 

[kurttrail]

Just "another" anti-Microsoft person

LOL! I'm far from "Just 'another' anti-Microsoft person."

All I hear is BLAH-BLAH-BLAH

That just shows how closed minded you are.

Stop wasting band-width

Is that like a band-aid?

Did someone force you to read my post? If not, then I'd suggest you
take responsibility for your own actions, and Block Me.

Nobody is seriously gonna listen to you except to laugh

Personally, I'm hoping for both. I thought is was rather hysterical
that Billy G called those of us looking to reform Copyright Law,
communists. I can play that game too.

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[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Kurt;
Now you need to insult those who disagree with you in the subject.
You are getting worse with your need to start insulting from the beginning.
If you can make your point on the merits of the issue, go ahead.
If you need to insult those who disagree with you in an attempt to bring
them down to your level, you lack the resources or ability to defend your
point on its own merits.

http://software.silicon.com/os/0,39024651,39126890,00.htm

Q: In recent years, there's been a lot of people clamouring to reform and
restrict intellectual-property rights. What's driving this, and do you
think intellectual-property laws need to be reformed?

Billy G: No, I'd say that of the world's economies, there's more that
believe in intellectual property today than ever. There are fewer
communists in the world today than there were. There are some new
modern-day sort of communists who want to get rid of the incentive for
musicians and moviemakers and software makers under various guises. They
don't think that those incentives should exist.

SNIPPED the rant filled largely with insults as well as off topic.
Surely you can locate a copyright forum to post this.
Or do they see the truth differently than you?

 

[kurttrail]

Kurt;
Now you need to insult those who disagree with you in the subject.

Billy G. started the name-calling, Juppy.

You are getting worse with your need to start insulting from the
beginning.

And you didn't read Billy G's insult, or are you just ignoring that?
And I can't help it that I'm better at it than he is.

If you can make your point on the merits of the issue, go
ahead.

I did, you ignored.

If you need to insult those who disagree with you in an attempt to
bring them down to your level, you lack the resources or ability to
defend your point on its own merits.

This time Juppy, I sunk to Billy G's level. He is the one that started
the name-calling.

SNIPPED the rant filled largely with insults as well as off topic.

Nope, I explained what it had to do with Windows XP.

Surely you can locate a copyright forum to post this.

Why? This is MS Windows XP general newsgroup.

Or do they see the truth differently than you?

Some, like you, apologists for the corporate copyright elite, would
disagree with me. More sane individuals that have a mind of their own,
would agree.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx!

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[Algernon]

He's not using the term 'communism' as a slur, as you seem to think he is.
There is an actual socio-political system called communism, and it is not
inherently evil. In fact, communism is probably better suited to your
particular view of intellectual property ownership rights. Take a look at
this:

http://www.britannica.com/ebc/article?tocId=9361263&query=communism&ct=

It's just a blurb, but it gives a good idea. It's important to note that
the idea of communism as an ideology was sort of commandeered by Stalin and
Mao and turned into something almost entirely different.

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

"I sunk to Billy..."
Is that what you really want?
To lower your self to the perceived level of those you despise and therefore
need to despise yourself?

You did not make a point, you threw insults, they are not the same.

"He is the one that started..."
My kids use this excuse.

If you can make a point without insults, do so, otherwise your own character
shortcomings outshine the points you attempt to make.

 

[kurttrail]

He's not using the term 'communism' as a slur, as you seem to think
he is.

When an American big businessman uses the term, you can bet he is using
it as a slur.

There is an actual socio-political system called communism,
and it is not inherently evil.

The theory of communism is not inherently evil, however, in practice,
what is called communism, by those in the US, usually is.

In fact, communism is probably better
suited to your particular view of intellectual property ownership
rights. Take a look at this:

http://www.britannica.com/ebc/article?tocId=9361263&query=communism&ct=

It's just a blurb, but it gives a good idea. It's important to note
that the idea of communism as an ideology was sort of commandeered by
Stalin and Mao and turned into something almost entirely different.

LOL! That is nothing close to my view of Copyright. Like the Founding
Father's of the US, I believe that copyright should be of a limited
duration, not what it has become through the lobbying efforts of the
corporate copyright owners.

Want to know my view of Copyright?

"The limited scope of the copyright holder's statutory monopoly, like
the limited copyright duration required by the Constitution, reflects a
balance of competing claims upon the public interest: Creative work is
to be encouraged and rewarded, but private motivation must ultimately
serve the cause of promoting broad public availability of literature,
music, and the other arts. The immediate effect of our copyright law is
to secure a fair return for an 'author's' creative labor. But the
ultimate aim is, by this incentive, to stimulate artistic creativity for
the general public good. 'The sole interest of the United States and
the primary object in conferring the monopoly,' this Court has said,
'lie in the general benefits derived by the public from the labors of
authors' . . . . When technological change has rendered its literal
terms ambiguous, the Copyright Act must be construed in light of this
basic purpose." - http://laws.findlaw.com/us/422/151.html

And that ain't from no "Communist" theory, that is the words of the US
Supreme Court!

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[kurttrail]

"I sunk to Billy..."
Is that what you really want?

LOL! I ain't afraid of a little mud.

To lower your self to the perceived level of those you despise and
therefore need to despise yourself?

Did I say I despised him? You assume much more than I said.

You did not make a point, you threw insults, they are not the same.

Sure I did, go back and read what I wrote. I explain myself more the
Billy G did. I explained why MS is a corporate copyright fascist, while
Bill didn't explain why he thought those calling for copyright reform
are "communists. I am much bigger man than he is, as I explain my
name-calling.

"He is the one that started..."
My kids use this excuse.

Yeah, you are teaching a new generation of conformists. I understand,
you want them to grow up just like dear old dad.

If you can make a point without insults, do so, otherwise your own
character shortcomings outshine the points you attempt to make.

I can and do both. Let's hear you get on Billy G's ass about calling
Copyright reformers "communists" without explaining himself. That will
be a the day that hell freezes over!

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx! I suppose you are teaching your little
brats to hide cross out what they don't want to see too!

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[xfiler]

Although I don't agree with kurttrail's angry and
unproductive tone, I do agree with him that copyright law
has become ridiculous, we keep extending copyrights in
perpetuity - that's just wrong.

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For those who don't, no answer will suffice.

 

[Tom]

Exactly how did Moses really give some explanation, on why he disagrees with
kurt, other than attacking his persona, as known here. It certainly doesn't
reflect well on him, since he posted no merit in what BG had to say, or what
was wrong with kurt's thinking to BG's remarks.

You simply chime in to defend a post of a guy who didn't offer anything of
value to debate kurt's thoughts Kurt in no way attacked the Moses, rather
gave him advice on what "NOT" to read, and to block him out He did point out
close mindedness to Moses, as he didn't really offer any defense or
explanation, other than what I noted here already..

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Tom;
I never said anything about Moses.
If you thought I did, you need to read the post again paying particular
attention to the threading.

 

[Algernon]

When an American big businessman uses the term, you can bet he is using
it as a slur.

That seems a gross generalization to me.

The theory of communism is not inherently evil, however, in practice,
what is called communism, by those in the US, usually is.

Americans' perception of communism as evil (and you're right, that
perception is prevalent) is only a result of their ignorance.

LOL! That is nothing close to my view of Copyright. Like the Founding
Father's of the US, I believe that copyright should be of a limited
duration, not what it has become through the lobbying efforts of the
corporate copyright owners.

Copyright of limited duration, after which it becomes public domain, i.e.
owned by the community, otherwise known as communism.

Want to know my view of Copyright?

Not particularly.

 

[Michael Stevens]

In

Exactly how did Moses really give some explanation, on why he
disagrees with kurt, other than attacking his persona, as known here.
It certainly doesn't reflect well on him, since he posted no merit in
what BG had to say, or what was wrong with kurt's thinking to BG's
remarks.
You simply chime in to defend a post of a guy who didn't offer
anything of value to debate kurt's thoughts Kurt in no way attacked
the Moses, rather gave him advice on what "NOT" to read, and to block
him out He did point out close mindedness to Moses, as he didn't
really offer any defense or explanation, other than what I noted here
already..

You need to comprehend what you are reading, Moses is not a factor in any of
these posts but his own and kurts reply.
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[kurttrail]

That seems a gross generalization to me.

It is a generalization, but not one you that can demonstrate is wrong
though.

Here's another one for you, most Americans only think of communism as
the kind of gov't that the USSR had, and China still kinda has, and they
demonize the theory as well of its practice.

Americans' perception of communism as evil (and you're right, that
perception is prevalent) is only a result of their ignorance.

LOL! Duh! And what makes you think that Billy G talking out of his
ignorance?

Copyright of limited duration, after which it becomes public domain,
i.e. owned by the community, otherwise known as communism.

Stolen by the communists. ;-) English Common Law, from whence the
concept of Copyright derives, and predates the theory of communism, and
so does its the US Constitution from

Of course communism wouldn't ever have copyright of even a limited
duration at all, since all property, real or intellectual, is the
property of the community as a whole, which really means, in practice,
that it is owned by the State.

I suppose you think that Free Public Libraries are a communist concept
also.

Not particularly.

Figures. Are you a real commie? Because if that's what you are all
about, we should take this argument to email, and I'll explain to you
the flaws of communism as a theory.

http://microscum.com/contactus

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[Algernon]

It is a generalization, but not one you that can demonstrate is wrong
though.

An interesting paradox: "Universals are never true."

I suppose you think that Free Public Libraries are a communist concept
also.

I suppose they could be thought of as communist in a fashion, though that
is --again-- an oversimplification.

Figures. Are you a real commie? Because if that's what you are all
about, we should take this argument to email, and I'll explain to you
the flaws of communism as a theory.

I am not a communist but a professor of political science and sociology, and
as such I am well-enough acquainted with the system. And I appreciate your
offer to "explain" the flaws of communism, but I think I get enough of that
from my students.

 

[kurttrail]

An interesting paradox: "Universals are never true."

A generalization is not a "Universal," what ever the hell that is.

Generaliztion - A principle, statement, or idea having general
application.

Not a universal application. Nice try at bullsh*t, though.

I suppose they could be thought of as communist in a fashion, though
that is --again-- an oversimplification.

Very much so.

I am not a communist but a professor of political science and
sociology, and as such I am well-enough acquainted with the system.
And I appreciate your offer to "explain" the flaws of communism, but
I think I get enough of that from my students.

Obviously, since you seem to be so parental about the concept.

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[BBUNNY]

Very few people realize this truth...

Algernon wrote:
| He's not using the term 'communism' as a slur, as you seem to think
| he is. There is an actual socio-political system called communism,
| and it is not inherently evil. In fact, communism is probably better
| suited to your particular view of intellectual property ownership
| rights. Take a look at this:
|
|
http://www.britannica.com/ebc/article?tocId=9361263&query=communism&ct=
|
| It's just a blurb, but it gives a good idea. It's important to note
| that the idea of communism as an ideology was sort of commandeered by
| Stalin and Mao and turned into something almost entirely different.
|
|
| message || http://software.silicon.com/os/0,39024651,39126890,00.htm
||
|| Q: In recent years, there's been a lot of people clamouring to reform
|| and restrict intellectual-property rights. What's driving this, and
|| do you think intellectual-property laws need to be reformed?
||
|| Billy G: No, I'd say that of the world's economies, there's more that
|| believe in intellectual property today than ever. There are fewer
|| communists in the world today than there were. There are some new
|| modern-day sort of communists who want to get rid of the incentive
|| for musicians and moviemakers and software makers under various
|| guises. They don't think that those incentives should exist.
||
|| Thanks Billy G! Under our Founding Fathers, the limited duration of
|| Copyright protection was just that of 13 years. Windows 3.1 would be
|| going into the public domain next month, if we were operating under
|| the traditional values of our Founding Fathers. But I guess that
|| anyone that believes that the duration of Copyrights should outlive
|| the author in perpetuity is a communist!
||
|| Thanks for clearing that up for all of us, you god-damned Copyright
|| Nazi! I'm glad that the Führer of a proven Copyright and Patent
|| infringing corporation is on the frontlines of fighting for
|| Copyrights lasting in perpetuity. The 1000 year Copyright Reich!
|| Zieg Heil!
||
|| "The Congress shall have Power . . . . To promote the Progress of
|| Science and useful Arts, by securing for *limited* *Times* to Authors
|| and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and
|| Discoveries." - US Constitution
||
|| What's all this have to do with Windows XP? Well I'll tell you, so
|| that the server boys have NO *real* reason to pull this post. ;-)
||
|| MS, in its WinXP EULA avails its self all the protections under
|| Copyright Law, but then rewrites the Limitations that Congress has
|| placed on Copyright Owners in Copyright Law. MS is the proven
|| infringer, yet they want you to believe that you, the paying
|| customer, is infringing on their Copyright when installing Windows
|| XP on more than one computer for your private non-commercial use,
|| yet not ONE person has EVER been found to have done ANYTHING wrong
|| for copying and using Copyrighted Material that was legally sold to
|| them for their own private non-commercial use. Microsoft and their
|| Führer are either unwilling or unable to prove this is illegal under
|| the law, so they use their EULA, and the behavior modification
|| tactics of PA and WGA, and outright propaganda to try to convince
|| you that your RIGHT to "fair use" is wrong and legal.
||
|| Make MS legally prove their nonsense, before you believe their
|| propaganda! The MicroReich will not last forever, if you stand up
|| against their Copyright fascism!
||
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[Algernon]

A generalization is not a "Universal," what ever the hell that is.

Actually, it is. The term "universal" is a synonym for "generalization."
It's a noun, not an adjective.

 

[kurttrail]

Actually, it is. The term "universal" is a synonym for
"generalization."

Universal - n. - A general or abstract concept or term considered
absolute or axiomatic.

Not all generalizations are Universals, though all Universals may be
generalizations.

It's a noun, not an adjective.

And I used it as a noun.

So now that we straightened out all this out, and I humored all you
off-topic nonsense for this long, what the HELL does any of it have to
do with my original post, Prof.?

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