If a college offers Norton AV Corporate Edition to its students...

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are the students capable of understanding how it works? This stuff just seems
like over-kill ware that nobody is to be expected to understand. Do students
just get a different AV program, or do colleges require the NAV Corporate
Edition to be used by all college students?
 
Cymbal said:
are the students capable of understanding how it works?
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I don't see why not. After all, it's hardly rocket science, and they
are college students.

This stuff just seems
like over-kill ware that nobody is to be expected to understand.
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Who expects nobody to understand SAVCE?

Do students
just get a different AV program, or do colleges require the NAV Corporate
Edition to be used by all college students?
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I imagine that would depend on each individual school, now wouldn't it?


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Cymbal said:
are the students capable of understanding how it works? This stuff just seems
like over-kill ware that nobody is to be expected to understand. Do students
just get a different AV program, or do colleges require the NAV Corporate
Edition to be used by all college students?
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Students are pretty intelligent or they would not be there, and
accept the reasoning. The rationale for releasing any corporate
(or volume) licensed program to students is not for convenience
of the student but to protect its IT infrastructure from malware.
In some instances, especially with medical schools in the US, the
offer fulfils the conditions of a mandated, compliance requirement.
 
GHalleck said:
Students are pretty intelligent or they would not be there, and
accept the reasoning. The rationale for releasing any corporate
(or volume) licensed program to students is not for convenience
of the student but to protect its IT infrastructure from malware.
In some instances, especially with medical schools in the US, the
offer fulfils the conditions of a mandated, compliance requirement.
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Ignoring, for the moment at least, the many virus-like behaviors and
other frequent malfunctions that plague all Norton/Symantec products
in recent years.
Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP (1997 - 2006)
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca
Syberfix Remote Computer Repair

"Anyone who thinks that they are too small to make a difference
has never been in bed with a mosquito."
 
Cymbal said:
are the students capable of understanding how it works? This stuff
just seems like over-kill ware that nobody is to be expected to
understand. Do students just get a different AV program, or do
colleges require the NAV Corporate Edition to be used by all college
students?
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The world is full of people who *insist* that they are utterly incapable
of understanding even the simplest of tasks - because they have
already decided before they even attempt to do something that they
are incapable.

You are one of them.




Fortunately, the world is also full of people who ignore people like
you. These people investigate, do the work, figure out what's going
on, make mistakes, learn from their mistakes, and thereby become
competent at learning. That's one of the things school is for - you've
forgotten that or never learned it in the first place.



If we as North Americans continue to mollycoddle a larger and
larger portion of our population as incapable cretins - we sentence
ourselves to fall into irrelevance and idiocy as a third-rate society
as a result. Furthermore, it will be nobody's fault but our own.



Using an antivirus program is not rocket science. It is a *requirement*
for any school environment because of the numbers of people there
who *don't* know what they're doing - because they're learning.

It just so happens that NAV is a very competent product for precisely
the kind of environment that universities deal with. And even more
fortunately, that university's faculty and staff are dealing with the
virus problem *proactively* - rather than burying their heads in the
sand and expecting somebody else to handle their problem for them.


These kids will graduate *already knowing* that they have to work
with a competent antivirus product on their machines as their *default*
computing environment. That experience alone will make them much
more competent workers - and they will be avidly sought-after by the
job market as a result.


Bravo to a university that thinks - it's actually not that common... <frown>




Best I can do for now... <tm>


Bill
 
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| >
| >Cymbal Man Freq. wrote:
| >
| >> are the students capable of understanding how it works? This stuff just
seems
| >> like over-kill ware that nobody is to be expected to understand. Do
students
| >> just get a different AV program, or do colleges require the NAV Corporate
| >> Edition to be used by all college students?
| >>
| >>
| >
| >Students are pretty intelligent or they would not be there, and
| >accept the reasoning. The rationale for releasing any corporate
| >(or volume) licensed program to students is not for convenience
| >of the student but to protect its IT infrastructure from malware.
| >In some instances, especially with medical schools in the US, the
| >offer fulfils the conditions of a mandated, compliance requirement.
|
| Ignoring, for the moment at least, the many virus-like behaviors and
| other frequent malfunctions that plague all Norton/Symantec products
| in recent years.
| Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
| --
| Microsoft MVP (1997 - 2006)
| On-Line Help Computer Service
| http://onlinehelp.bc.ca
| Syberfix Remote Computer Repair
|
| "Anyone who thinks that they are too small to make a difference
| has never been in bed with a mosquito."


Yeah, there were no usable computers when I went to college.

My father got a 733 Mhz computer gratis of the college he has an account with (a
few months ago), but the computer doesn't even meet the colleges' own minimum
system requirements, much less the recommended requirements. It's too slow to
hook up wi-fi to according to the IT professional. There is no burner in the
machine, and no burning program. I was trying to update Windows (XP SP2) and
found I couldn't even open any windows because NAV Corp. Ed. was running a
startup scan constantly. I could not turn off the AV startup scanning feature,
it was locked "on" by the guy who gave him the computer. So, while my dad is on
vacation, I just spent 18 hours doing dial-up downloads, and the college
connection went down to 28.8 kbps, and then the college connection would just
hang up on me immediately during day 2 (the college may have a time limit on how
much time the connection can be on each day, because it came right back at 48.0
kbps on day 3).

I uninstalled NAVCE from Add/Remove programs because of the constant scanning
problem but there are still a couple of unchecked remnants of NAVCE in msconfig.
I downloaded AVG7.1 before uninstalling Norton and installed AVG after
uninstalling Norton, but the college wouldn't let me dial-in (maybe because the
AVG program was not updated?) so that is where the signing up for 10 hours per
month of free NetZero came in to help with downloading AV defs.

We have NSW 2005 (with AV) on the Dell 1.6 Ghz machine downstairs, but my dad
won't use the Dell. So, I am familiar with a lot of Norton stuff, but this
Corporate Edition stuff blew me away and I don't have a manual for it. Since I
installed the AVG 7.1 and downloaded more M$ critical updates for the modem, the
sound card, and the NET Framework 1.1 SP1, and a few other Windows Critical
Updates, & the latest Java version, the college connection let me on without
complaint on Day 3 (they didn't disconnect me with a notice about using the
wrong AV product.)

My parents refuse to know anything at all about anti-virus or firewalls or the
XP Operating System, so I am the default lifeguard of their machines over their
objections. They won't work with me at all, and they won't follow any
assignments I've given them in lieu of time they should spend with me. These two
do NOT deserve to be on a computer for all of the time they spend refusing to
lift a finger for their own benefit. Colleges, this is what we get, they were
straight A students in their day.

So, I'm in deep doo-doo when they get back for messing with his crap computer.

What I wonder, is, will the college give him a NAVCE disc and demand it be
reinstalled? It seems the answer is a toss-up for now.
I will refuse to reinstall that Norton crap on his underpowered machine. I've
been telling him for 2 years he needs a new computer up there, not the colleges'
aged out rejects.
 
Ron said:
Ignoring, for the moment at least, the many virus-like behaviors and
other frequent malfunctions that plague all Norton/Symantec products
in recent years.
Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
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That's part of life and I really feel like retiring and going
home to B.C., to ski in Winter and fish trout in Summer. The
opportunity may present since I do not support NAV, in defiance
of "corporate" policy, but I substitute another AV program in its
place, just to be "in compliance" and operational.
 
"Cymbal Man said:
are the students capable of understanding how it works?
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The Corp edition is really nice, and it's simple to use. It doesn't have
all the GUI crap that the residential version does, and it's very light
on system resources.
This stuff just seems
like over-kill ware that nobody is to be expected to understand.
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The only thing you need to understand is the "Virus Definition File"
date - it should be some date in the last two weeks in most cases, most
times it will be in the last couple days.
Do students
just get a different AV program, or do colleges require the NAV Corporate
Edition to be used by all college students?
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I would use Corp Symantec AV over all others.

We have three Sororities that we manage, not one user in any of the
houses running Corp Symantec AV (even as old as version 8) have
experienced any malware infection in 3 years.
 
Ignoring, for the moment at least, the many virus-like behaviors and
other frequent malfunctions that plague all Norton/Symantec products
in recent years.
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And the same is true of all other vendors AV products that are worth
using. Of the major 5, all of them have had problems, but, how quickly
are they actually resolved, how many systems were (if any) compromised
between the finding/patching, and how well has it protected the user
base.

Symantec Corporate edition AV is #1 in my books for
Workstations/Servers.
 
Haggis said:
Symantec Anti Virus Corp Edition ....btw I use it and like it :> lot less
overhead than the retail versions
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That's right...because the IT staff is expected to provide
more support to run it than the standalone, retail units.
 
Ron said:
Ignoring, for the moment at least, the many virus-like behaviors and
other frequent malfunctions that plague all Norton/Symantec products
in recent years.
Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
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IMO, the problem appears to rest more with Symantec LiveUpdate
than the actual product itself. It seems to update all Symantec
products willy-nilly, at the scheduled time of any one product.
And then there are issues with the LiveUpdate engine itself, as
might occur when one product is not sync'd to the same revision
of the engine as another. More work for IT.
 
[email protected] said:
That's right...because the IT staff is expected to provide
more support to run it than the standalone, retail units.
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Actually it's about updates - as with CA provided on some campus
locations, it will be setup to pull updates from the campus AV server,
other locations may install stand-alone, but the ones I've seen all pull
from the Campus server when connected.
 
Each years products get worse and worse. I recently downloaded &
tested Norton Internet Security 2007. As far as I can tell, no real new
code or rework - just more services, more Registry keys......
However, they did take the time to create a new Installer interface,
very important to have Fluff/GUI over substance.

One other Symantec "Poke-in-the-Eye". I saw their product line at the
neighborhood Office Depot the other day. Found something called
"Save and Restore" - seems the Ghost name has been retired to this
really snappy/descriptive title. Wonder how many Symantec Managers
it took to decide on that one.

As Dean Wormer said in "Animal House" - 'Jeez, I hate those guys.'
 
Cymbal said:
are the students capable of understanding how it works? This stuff just seems
like over-kill ware that nobody is to be expected to understand. Do students
just get a different AV program, or do colleges require the NAV Corporate
Edition to be used by all college students?
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Then remove it ASAP.
 
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