IE, Virtual Swiss Cheese?

[kurttrail]

http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1105_2-5259374.html

I'd like my slice of virtual cheese without the holes, please!

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[CZ]

http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1105_2-5259374.html

I'd like my slice of virtual cheese without the holes, please!

Kurt:

What have you found that is better?

I have been testing Firefox v0.9.1 and I am not impressed.

MSIE set to High for Internet zone, and with PopUpCop, is much better at
controlling what web sites can do.

TIA

 

[davetest]

http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1105_2-5259374.html

I'd like my slice of virtual cheese without the holes, please!

Well MS made IE a part of the OS itself, rather than leaving it
as an application. This gave MS an advantage over other
browsers and extended their monopoly.
On the other hand, it made it harder to fix, because it was no longer
a standalone design - hence the slew of security issues, lack of
any new innovations in IE, etc,etc,etc.

All the buzz about Firefox, has an excitement that to me,
is reminiscent of the old Netscape 2.x days.
Go Mozilla !

Dave (just my opinion, of course)

 

[RA]

I just started using Enigma and I think I like it. It seems to work pretty
well for sites that only work with IE. We'll see how it goes for a few
weeks.

 

[kurttrail]

I'd like my slice of virtual cheese without the holes, please!

Kurt:

What have you found that is better?

I have been testing Firefox v0.9.1 and I am not impressed.

Why because it has problems with web sites designed for IE, especially
those on windows servers with FP extensions? I know because my own
personal web page, kurttrail.com, has problems with every browser
other than IE. microscum.com is more Mozilla friendly

MSIE set to High for Internet zone, and with PopUpCop, is much better at
controlling what web sites can do.

LOL! Tell that to my users at work! I can stand the bitchin', that
I'm just about to the point of installing FireFox on all their
computers as the default browser.

Peace!
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[FUD]

I just started using Enigma and I think I like it. It seems to work pretty
well for sites that only work with IE. We'll see how it goes for a few
weeks.

Isn't that just using the IE engine underneath it?

Peace!
Kurt
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[CZ]

CZ wrote: I have been testing Firefox v0.9.1 and I am not impressed.

Kurt wrote: Why because it has problems with web sites designed for IE,
especially
those on windows servers with FP extensions?

Kurt:

No, because the security over a securely setup MSIE is not impressive (or
even better?).

IMO, Firefox is like SP2 for XP: a user who can setup MSIE and XP Pro with
strong security, will not be very impressed with either Firefox or SP2 in
terms of security "improvements". Users who cannot do a strong security
setup, may be impressed with Firefox &/or SP2.

From a recent CNET article:
"Mozilla acknowledged that much of the value of using its software, or that
of Opera, stemmed from the hazards of monoculture rather than any inherent
security superiority."

"Internet Explorer is a fat target for attackers, in large part because it
supports powerful, propriety Microsoft technologies that are notoriously
weak on security, like ActiveX." [CZ: so, just disable ActiveX]

 

[kurttrail]

CZ wrote: I have been testing Firefox v0.9.1 and I am not impressed.

Kurt wrote: Why because it has problems with web sites designed for IE,
especially
those on windows servers with FP extensions?

Kurt:

No, because the security over a securely setup MSIE is not impressive (or
even better?).

IMO, Firefox is like SP2 for XP: a user who can setup MSIE and XP Pro with
strong security, will not be very impressed with either Firefox or SP2 in
terms of security "improvements". Users who cannot do a strong security
setup, may be impressed with Firefox &/or SP2.

From a recent CNET article:
"Mozilla acknowledged that much of the value of using its software, or that
of Opera, stemmed from the hazards of monoculture rather than any inherent
security superiority."

"Internet Explorer is a fat target for attackers, in large part because it
supports powerful, propriety Microsoft technologies that are notoriously
weak on security, like ActiveX." [CZ: so, just disable ActiveX]

And running scripts, and what else that we don't know about yet?

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[RA]

Looks like I will stay with Firefox. I really hate IE and websites that
require it. Aside from being insecure, it is just plain clunky. Enigma
looked promising, but whether or not it has the insecurities of IE at the
moment, I imagine it soon will. I read that the Enigma developer died and
there will be no revisions.

 

[CZ]

CZ wrote:
What have you found that is better?
I have been testing Firefox v0.9.1 and I am not impressed.
MSIE set to High for Internet zone, and with PopUpCop, is much better at
controlling what web sites can do.

Kurt wrote:
Why because it has problems with web sites designed for IE,
especially those on windows servers with FP extensions?

CZ wrote:
No, because the security over a securely setup MSIE is not impressive (or
even better?).
IMO, Firefox is like SP2 for XP: a user who can setup MSIE and XP Pro with
strong security, will not be very impressed with either Firefox or SP2 in
terms of security "improvements". Users who cannot do a strong security
setup, may be impressed with Firefox &/or SP2.
From a recent CNET article:
"Mozilla acknowledged that much of the value of using its software, or that
of Opera, stemmed from the hazards of monoculture rather than any inherent
security superiority."
"Internet Explorer is a fat target for attackers, in large part because it
supports powerful, propriety Microsoft technologies that are notoriously
weak on security, like ActiveX." [CZ: so, just disable ActiveX]

Kurt wrote:
And running scripts, and what else that we don't know about yet?

Kurt:

Items that PopUpCop can disable:
Popups
Scripts
Images
Image animation
Background sounds
Flash movies
ActiveX controls
Text marquees
Java applets
Script timers
Script mouse ticks
Useless warning dialogs
Cookie settings
Meta refresh
Resize
Eyelets

It is quite a product.
http://www.popupcop.com

 

[Plato]

Looks like I will stay with Firefox. I really hate IE and websites that
require it. Aside from being insecure, it is just plain clunky. Enigma

My take on that is this. If you have a business website one should NEVER
design it for just one brand of browser. If you're a webmaster, you
should really test your page out with a half dozen browsers to at least
to make sure it works OK for the most part.

Heck folks will say. As 90%+ are using IE. Heck I say, why piss off the
Netscape user who just might have a checkbook in hand for that $100,000
contract.

Even Microsoft has come around. I can now read their KB articles with a
browser as primitive as NS3.

 

[RA]

I agree.

My take on that is this. If you have a business website one should NEVER
design it for just one brand of browser. If you're a webmaster, you
should really test your page out with a half dozen browsers to at least
to make sure it works OK for the most part.

Heck folks will say. As 90%+ are using IE. Heck I say, why piss off the
Netscape user who just might have a checkbook in hand for that $100,000
contract.

Even Microsoft has come around. I can now read their KB articles with a
browser as primitive as NS3.