IE still horribly insecure

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IFYPFY.
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Funny, I don't remember making any harsh criticism of FF. My worst criticism
is having to do a very tedious search for extensions to make it to my
liking. I even admit that's a personal criticism, and others may not find it
a problem.

-- Bob
 
(e-mail address removed) wrote in @g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
I still have no idea why anyone in their right mind would prefer IE
over FF?
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If security was everything we would all be driving Volvos!

Many people including myself do not like the FF interface. Also FF doesn't
work with many sites including Windows Update.
 
Funny, I don't remember making any harsh criticism of FF.
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Funny, I don't remember saying that you had.
My worst criticism is having to do a very tedious search for
extensions to make it to my liking. I even admit that's a personal
criticism, and others may not find it a problem.
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You erroneously claimed that Firefox is "in constant beta" in this very
thread. That's FUD, yet you call it "taking a poke".
 
Here's one example of what drives people away from FF and back
to using IE:

http://www.av-comparatives.org/seiten/ergebnisse_2005_02.php

K-M and FF render a real mess on this. At least they do for me.
Haven't tried disabling Proxo though.
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http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.av-comparatives.org%
2Fseiten%2Fergebnisse_2005_02.php

<meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Excel 11">

I'm not going to change my browser because some idiot built a page using
Microsoft Excel. Excel is NOT a web page builder.
 
(e-mail address removed) wrote in
Here's one example of what drives people away from FF and back
to using IE:

http://www.av-comparatives.org/seiten/ergebnisse_2005_02.php

K-M and FF render a real mess on this. At least they do for me.
Haven't tried disabling Proxo though.
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Looks fine here with the default Firefox 1.0.4 configuration on WinXP.
Fine for me with K-Meleon also.

Firefox screenshot:
<http://www.cotse.net/users/putty/images/av.omparatives.org-table.png>
(90 kb interlaced - no judging before fully loaded ;)

K-Meleon screenshot:
<http://www.cotse.net/users/putty/images/av-comparatives.org-table2.png>

That said, anything that overrides the fonts and/or font sizes on that
page messes it up pretty badly. It looks bad in IE when I check the
box to ignore font stuff a page specifies. Opera is the only browser
I can get to resize the page ok.
 
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Looks fine here with the default Firefox 1.0.4 configuration on WinXP.
Fine for me with K-Meleon also.
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I'm using FF 1.04 and K-M 0.9 on Win 98 SE and Win ME. Temporarily
disabling Proxomitron and resetting the browser proxy settings had no
effect. The rendering is still a unreadable mess. I wonder why it
works for you and not me.
Firefox screenshot:
<http://www.cotse.net/users/putty/images/av.omparatives.org-table.png>
(90 kb interlaced - no judging before fully loaded ;)
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Permission denied on that one.
K-Meleon screenshot:
<http://www.cotse.net/users/putty/images/av-comparatives.org-table2.png>
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I can see that one.
That said, anything that overrides the fonts and/or font sizes on that
page messes it up pretty badly. It looks bad in IE when I check the
box to ignore font stuff a page specifies. Opera is the only browser
I can get to resize the page ok.
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I tried a older version of Opera and it's better, but there's enough
distortion to make some of the text unreadable.

My wife had a terrible time with a genealogy site she paid $35 for.
I tried everying I could think of, but IE was the only browser that
works correctly.

She uses IE 6 regularly now with just default medium security setting.
No problems at all after several weeks of intensive use. I suspect
most all IE related problems arise when people aren't using a browser
for research. Porn sites, warez, crack sites and vx sites are probably
the main problem.

Art

http://home.epix.net/~artnpeg
 
(e-mail address removed) wrote in
I'm using FF 1.04 and K-M 0.9 on Win 98 SE and Win ME. Temporarily
disabling Proxomitron and resetting the browser proxy settings had no
effect. The rendering is still a unreadable mess. I wonder why it
works for you and not me.
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I don't have any idea. I'll try to remember to give it a look next
time I boot Win98se, but I can't see why the OS should matter.
Permission denied on that one.
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My typo, sorry.

<http://www.cotse.net/users/putty/images/av-comparatives.org-table.png>
 
Aaron said:
updates >> to >> fix security flaws, as if the browser is suddenly
not to be >> trusted, >> here's a read that hopefully will open your
eyes. >> >
It's a >> > piece of software, and as such it may have flaws! Period!
You want a >> > read that should open your eyes? Check out Secunia
this week, there >> > were a few others reported! Yes, IE can be very
unsafe (insecure is >> > about a person), but so can FF, Opera, etc.
is >> unsafe compared to firefox/opera whatever, somehow the listener
(you >> in this case) seems to hear it as "firefox/opera is perfect
and >> bulletproof".

Dick, I'm afraid I will have to demand some proof of this claim.
Where exactly on the firefox official site, does it say it is safest?
I see "safer", " more safely" no safest.
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I have to withdraw that comment, simply because I don't "snapshot"
every page that I visit (I would need a terabyte computer for that
Anyhow, even the "safest" browser is not 100% bulletproof, I'm sure
you agree.

Absolutely!


If by unsafe you mean it is not 100% bulletproof, I agree, so does
any reasonable person. The fustrating thing is that this invariably
leads some to concludes hence firefox is not safer. I just can't
understand this kind of logic.
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That is exactly what I mean: FF is safer, but not 100% bulletproof. If
only people would understand that HOW safe a browser is, there never
will be a guarantee that it will be 100% safe!

I have nothing against disclosure of the exploit. I think it's a good
thing.
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Uhm... that part was not aimed at you, but at the OP!
Do calm down Dick. Believe it or not I was not referring to you. I
was referring to the people that the OP's original post was meant to
forstall. You already agreed that firefox is probably safer even with
this flaw, so you are hopefully not one of those.
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<grin> I was (and am) perfectly calm; I just can't stand it when people
put words in my mouth (or keyboard) that I haven't used. Problem with
written communication: You never know what the tone was the poster had
in mind when writing something.

FTR: FF is safer.

Regards, and apologies for the late reply... other matters demanded my
attention.

Dick
 
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