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robinb
that is exactly what it does as you see by my reply to Bill
robin
robin
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Pat Willener
Ok, since it was offered to me, I clicked on Download. The updater
minimized, then completely disappeared, and I never heard from it again.
So I am going to wait too...
Anyway, I haven't used IE in ages.
minimized, then completely disappeared, and I never heard from it again.
So I am going to wait too...
Anyway, I haven't used IE in ages.
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Dave M
Oh, this is real cute item for all the new IE7 installs. How did I miss
this before now? I'm sure everyone else must have seen it, right?
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=917964
....and then all the not-so-advanced users need to read the follow on linked
KB:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307654/
this before now? I'm sure everyone else must have seen it, right?
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=917964
....and then all the not-so-advanced users need to read the follow on linked
KB:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307654/
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Dave M said:
Well, my sympathies to Paul. But just read this part of his post:
"What really disturbs me is that you cannot repair Windows using the SP2 CD
if IE7
is installed. This is a PITY, especially since uninstalling IE7 leaves IE6
messed up. I haven't found any solution that works other than complete
reformat of Windows. "
Is this true? You can no longer repair Windows with the CD? You can't get
back to IE6 if there's a problem with IE7? If that's true, then why on earth
would anyone in their right mind risk installing such a piece of software?
Who needs malware when you can have this?
Bargepole job. No way am I touching this.
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Dave M said:
Thanks Dave - and Ye Gods! Well, I say again: no way am I getting involved
in any of this.
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Bitman said:
The only browser I've tried is Firefox - but the main difference I noticed
was that it made everything harder to find and stopped me from doing
anything, so I went back to IE6. So even if there were no other problems, my
guess is that I'd regret installing IE7 as soon as I'd done it.
For you, yes. For me, it takes much longer to feel at ease with a major
software change, because there's always the lurking suspicion that I've
overlooked something..
This is a commonly used bit of shorthand but I've no idea what it means.
Could someone explain, please?
Now you're talking! Except that's how I feel about this PC, not my next one!
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plun
Alan D skrev:
Hi Alan
Well, I believe the probability is much lower for disc
crasch then
a messed up PC because of IE7.
Every user MUST have backups for personal files. It´s even
more important today
because of all malware.
But... "the AOL mess" is also involved in this and thats
maybe the biggest challenge...
regards
plun
Hi Alan
Well, I believe the probability is much lower for disc
crasch then
a messed up PC because of IE7.
Every user MUST have backups for personal files. It´s even
more important today
because of all malware.
But... "the AOL mess" is also involved in this and thats
maybe the biggest challenge...
regards
plun
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kes
Alan said:
What Paul said was
PITA = Pain In The Ass
Agree with your bargepole policy.
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plun said:
Well, out of the relatively small number of people posting here, it's
already happened to Paul. That tells me all I need to know about the
probabilities.
I do make backups. But that doesn't mean I want to be pushed into a position
where I have to use them.
But... "the AOL mess" is also involved in this and thats
maybe the biggest challenge...
Well, here again - I've been using AOL happily enough for ages. It doesn't
make sense to me, to change something that has worked perfectly well for
years merely to decrease the chances of IE7 messing up my system, when I
don't want IE7 in the first place. I'm simply not interested in messing about
with browsers. If someone is a writer, that doesn't mean he wants to keep
fiddling about with his pen.
The danger here - I can already feel it happening - is that more and more of
my time will get swallowed up in trying to change more and more aspects of my
system to improve its security, until I end up doing nothing else. That's
madness.
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Dave M
GUI - Graphical User Interface
Before Windows existed on the IBM PC there were no pretty screens that
interfaced between the user and the program code. You typed text commands
much like you see when we refer to the Defender MpCmdRun.exe in XP's
command prompt... that was it, text in and text out. Windows was
developed by Ms to create an Operating System that could avoid all the
typing and instead use graphics as a two way interface to not only the OS
but also to applications that run on that system in a manner similar to
what Apple was already doing on the Mac. The advantage being that it was
intended to sell more PCs relative to Macs by making things more user
friendly... and to this day it occasionally still is. ;-)
Before Windows existed on the IBM PC there were no pretty screens that
interfaced between the user and the program code. You typed text commands
much like you see when we refer to the Defender MpCmdRun.exe in XP's
command prompt... that was it, text in and text out. Windows was
developed by Ms to create an Operating System that could avoid all the
typing and instead use graphics as a two way interface to not only the OS
but also to applications that run on that system in a manner similar to
what Apple was already doing on the Mac. The advantage being that it was
intended to sell more PCs relative to Macs by making things more user
friendly... and to this day it occasionally still is. ;-)
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*************
Hi Robin,
Perhaps you have seen this article by now but it was a help to me a while
back when I first had a look at clear type. Check out info on the links as
well.
http://research.microsoft.com/~jplatt/cleartype/
*************
Hi Robin,
Perhaps you have seen this article by now but it was a help to me a while
back when I first had a look at clear type. Check out info on the links as
well.
http://research.microsoft.com/~jplatt/cleartype/
*************
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kes said:
My apologies to Paul. I've never seen this expression before and assumed it
must be a typo.
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Dave M said:
Ah! So it's almost as useful, then, as the DJBS? (Dave's Jargon Buster
Service)
Many thanks!
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robinb
actually i do not think you will regret IE7.
Actually it clones firefox in design- like the tabs for example.
It actually is faster than ie6 (so far anyway)
and easier on the eyes.
I am still more inclined to use firefox but MS did make alot of improvements
with this browser.
I already installed it on 3 computers. The only hitch I had was Windows
Defender thought it was spyware on one of my computers and once I got WD to
behave, all was well.
To be sure the installation goes smooth, this is what you should do:
Set a System Restore point before you do the install.
Exist out of AVG and AVG Antispyware (if you are running them seperate)
Exist out of any start programs that load on the right side of the task bar-
that allow you to click on exist.
Do not use the yellow shield to install IE7- go to the Windows Update site
instead and install it from there.
If you follow these instructions it should load fine.
You might want to go to the IE7 official page first to read about and see
the graphics there that show you wat ie7 is about first.
Robin
Actually it clones firefox in design- like the tabs for example.
It actually is faster than ie6 (so far anyway)
and easier on the eyes.
I am still more inclined to use firefox but MS did make alot of improvements
with this browser.
I already installed it on 3 computers. The only hitch I had was Windows
Defender thought it was spyware on one of my computers and once I got WD to
behave, all was well.
To be sure the installation goes smooth, this is what you should do:
Set a System Restore point before you do the install.
Exist out of AVG and AVG Antispyware (if you are running them seperate)
Exist out of any start programs that load on the right side of the task bar-
that allow you to click on exist.
Do not use the yellow shield to install IE7- go to the Windows Update site
instead and install it from there.
If you follow these instructions it should load fine.
You might want to go to the IE7 official page first to read about and see
the graphics there that show you wat ie7 is about first.
Robin
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robinb
from what I am hearing ie7 is more secure than ie6 and eventually ie6 will
be phased out. To install the security updates (unless you go to tech net
and install them manually) you will need ie7 to pick up the security
updates, so Alan you might not have a choice not to install ie7
robin
be phased out. To install the security updates (unless you go to tech net
and install them manually) you will need ie7 to pick up the security
updates, so Alan you might not have a choice not to install ie7
robin
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robinb said:
Well, I imagine Paul (Old Rebel) is regretting it as we speak - and I use
AOL, like him, so the signs are not good.
There is every reason for me to wait this out until all these issues are
resolved, Robin, and no reason at all for me to rush into it. One day, it
will have to happen. But not one day soon.
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robinb said:
But by then installing IE7 will hopefully be less likely to create havoc
than it is at present.
I'll cross that bridge when I get to it. Here and now I DO have a choice.
I'll wait.
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Guest
Actually, Paul is posting in several places trying to figure this out. InAlan D said:
the Windows Live OneCare forums he's realized that his problem may be related
to his use of registry cleaner or other programs. Since no one else has ever
reported such problems with this combination (IE 7, WLOC/Defender) this seems
much more likely.
Understood, but backups are really far more valuable than all of the repair
tools, since they can't protect from hardware failure. Personally I'd never
trust the results of any 'repair' and would only use it to get me by
temporarily until I had time to completely reinstall Windows. Fortunately
I've never had to use any Windows repair or even System Restore, though I
have had two hard drives fail requiring reinstall.
From my point of view these two reinstalls on my laptop were opportunities
to start fresh, applying what I'd learned from my previous use and only
re-installing the programs and data I really used. One even cleared the way
to install Vista since that would have seemed a hassle otherwise.
I don't think AOL is an issue here, since this was based on Paul's possibly
self inflicted problems Though AOL is really simply overpriced low speed
access now, some are stuck with dial-up due to location.
I will agree, however, with the issue of time spent managing your system vs
using it. I've spent lots of time over the last three years helping people in
forums and newsgroups deal with these issues and I'm finally ready for it to
be over. That's why I chose to help with WLOC and here, since these are the
most likely to succeed basic applications that everyone needs.
However, if you leave out an item like IE 7 you are denying yourself an
important component of the protection as it was designed. You'll never be
able to duplicate the protection provided by IE 7 with any number of other
security applications. There's no need to do it this week, but just make
plans for it at some point in the near future so you can take benefit from
its improvements.
I'd also recommend that you look at complete maneged suites of protection
like WLOC and others, since you would really benefit from protection that
keeps itself up to date and simply notifies you when it needs attention, this
is who it was designed for.
Bitman
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plun
Bitman skrev:
Thumbs up for that.....
Nearly all cleaning forums recommends strange combinations
with security applications.
The majority cannot handle these combinations.
Maybe Symantec/Njorton and McAfee ruined a security package
reputation but todays
packages from F-Secure, TrendMicro and Panda are really good.
So for the majority of users a complete security package
from a vendor with a good reputation is the best choice.
About IE7 and Pauls challenge it´s maybe better that he
comments this himself.
I havent seen AOLs software lately beacuse they where "out
of business" within
my country.
regards
plun
Thumbs up for that.....
Nearly all cleaning forums recommends strange combinations
with security applications.
The majority cannot handle these combinations.
Maybe Symantec/Njorton and McAfee ruined a security package
reputation but todays
packages from F-Secure, TrendMicro and Panda are really good.
So for the majority of users a complete security package
from a vendor with a good reputation is the best choice.
About IE7 and Pauls challenge it´s maybe better that he
comments this himself.
I havent seen AOLs software lately beacuse they where "out
of business" within
my country.
regards
plun
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Guest
Hey Robin !! You didn`t get back to us yet! Did something go wrong or are you
still working on it?
Stu
still working on it?
Stu