IDE arrangement for video editting?

[spodosaurus]

Hi all,

My wife is going to be taking video clips from VHS and DVD and editting
them into compilations for lectures (output to DVD, VHS, and for
playback from a laptop, depending on what AV equipment the lecture
theatres have). I'm wondering how I should arrange her IDE drives for
best performance:
1x 40GB Seagate HDD
1x 120GB Western Digital HDD (about to be installed so she can work on
the video files on this drive)
1x CDROM
1x Pioneer DVR107D DVD burner

What are your thoughts on which IDE ribbons these drives should be
placed on? I was thinking about a hard drive and an optical drive on
each ribbon but realised that the ribbons probably wouldn't reach. I
could try and add a PCI IDE expansion card and see how that goes (I have
one that was going to go into our backup/file server, but it could go
into her computer).

TIA,

Ari

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[Old Bugger]

Hi all,

My wife is going to be taking video clips from VHS and DVD and editting
them into compilations for lectures (output to DVD, VHS, and for
playback from a laptop, depending on what AV equipment the lecture
theatres have). I'm wondering how I should arrange her IDE drives for
best performance:
1x 40GB Seagate HDD
1x 120GB Western Digital HDD (about to be installed so she can work on
the video files on this drive)
1x CDROM
1x Pioneer DVR107D DVD burner

What are your thoughts on which IDE ribbons these drives should be
placed on? I was thinking about a hard drive and an optical drive on
each ribbon but realised that the ribbons probably wouldn't reach. I
could try and add a PCI IDE expansion card and see how that goes (I have
one that was going to go into our backup/file server, but it could go
into her computer).

It really doesn't matter these days.

 

[Mark Bedingfield]

Hi all,

My wife is going to be taking video clips from VHS and DVD and editting
them into compilations for lectures (output to DVD, VHS, and for
playback from a laptop, depending on what AV equipment the lecture
theatres have). I'm wondering how I should arrange her IDE drives for
best performance:
1x 40GB Seagate HDD
1x 120GB Western Digital HDD (about to be installed so she can work on
the video files on this drive)
1x CDROM
1x Pioneer DVR107D DVD burner

What are your thoughts on which IDE ribbons these drives should be
placed on? I was thinking about a hard drive and an optical drive on
each ribbon but realised that the ribbons probably wouldn't reach. I
could try and add a PCI IDE expansion card and see how that goes (I have
one that was going to go into our backup/file server, but it could go
into her computer).

Get an IDE controller and separate all the drives. I.e. one drive per
channel. A small boot drive is not always the best as alot of apps use
it for temp/work/swap files. If the WD is an 8 meg cache model it would
be a better candidate for a boot drive as Windows will run a little faster.
At worst I would set it up as 120g primary master, 40g primary slave and
Pioneer 107 as secondary master. The cdrom is probably not going to be
much use to you anyway, so probably best just to ditch it.

Mark

 

[John Howells]

My wife is going to be taking video clips from VHS and DVD and editting
them into compilations for lectures (output to DVD, VHS, and for
playback from a laptop, depending on what AV equipment the lecture
theatres have). I'm wondering how I should arrange her IDE drives for
best performance:
1x 40GB Seagate HDD
1x 120GB Western Digital HDD (about to be installed so she can work on
the video files on this drive)
1x CDROM
1x Pioneer DVR107D DVD burner

It does not really matter very much, *EXCEPT*

o arrange things when editing so that the source and destination are on
different hard drives.
o arrange things so that when creating the DVD files from the edited
video the source and destination are on different hard drives.

For example:

o use the 120GB drive for the initial capture
o edit from that to the 40GB drive when assembling the clips
o create the DVD image on the 120GB drive from the clips assembled on the
40GB drive

This should make things *VERY* much faster (five times or more) than reading
and writing large files using the same drive. To see how much, just try
copying a 1GB file within each of the hard drives, and then see how very
much faster it is when one disk is the source and the other is the
destination.

Then it's probably better if the DVD image drive is on a different cable
from the DVD writer, in which case put both hard disks on the first
controller and both optical drives on the second.

John Howells

 

[TT]

Hi all,

My wife is going to be taking video clips from VHS and DVD and editting
them into compilations for lectures (output to DVD, VHS, and for
playback from a laptop, depending on what AV equipment the lecture
theatres have). I'm wondering how I should arrange her IDE drives for
best performance:
1x 40GB Seagate HDD
1x 120GB Western Digital HDD (about to be installed so she can work on
the video files on this drive)
1x CDROM
1x Pioneer DVR107D DVD burner

What are your thoughts on which IDE ribbons these drives should be
placed on? I was thinking about a hard drive and an optical drive on
each ribbon but realised that the ribbons probably wouldn't reach. I
could try and add a PCI IDE expansion card and see how that goes (I have
one that was going to go into our backup/file server, but it could go
into her computer).

TIA,

Ari

OT a little. My wife is a lecturer at a local uni and we
have done this sort of thing for her. Now the good bit.

**YOU CAN'T DO IT" legally. You are in breach of copyright
and the Unis in this part of the World are shit scared about
being sued. I have had this conversation with my wife that
just had the head of their legal dept go right through it.
Apparently (this is from the wife) you breach copyright the
moment you use a machine equipped with *RAM* memory. You
can tape a TV program and replay it on VHS or DVD-R *BUT*
the moment it comes in contact with a computer (laptop) the
legal hounds are set loose. "Shrug" I'm only relaying the
story. My wife (lectures nursing) would often tape shows
like ER and use bits as teaching aids. Now since her laptop
is already hooked up to a projector it would make sense to
me to have the stuff stored on the HD or on DVD-R in her
drive for replay. Apparently not! Must use a separate
machine with out RAM. This is **STUPID**!!!!

Please check first before you get too carried away. You
just may be making a very big (legal) mistake.

Cheers TT

The uni in question here is Edith Cowan University.

 

[spodosaurus]

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OT a little. My wife is a lecturer at a local uni and we
have done this sort of thing for her. Now the good bit.

**YOU CAN'T DO IT" legally. You are in breach of copyright
and the Unis in this part of the World are shit scared about
being sued. I have had this conversation with my wife that
just had the head of their legal dept go right through it.
Apparently (this is from the wife) you breach copyright the
moment you use a machine equipped with *RAM* memory. You
can tape a TV program and replay it on VHS or DVD-R *BUT*
the moment it comes in contact with a computer (laptop) the
legal hounds are set loose. "Shrug" I'm only relaying the
story. My wife (lectures nursing) would often tape shows
like ER and use bits as teaching aids. Now since her laptop
is already hooked up to a projector it would make sense to
me to have the stuff stored on the HD or on DVD-R in her
drive for replay. Apparently not! Must use a separate
machine with out RAM. This is **STUPID**!!!!

Please check first before you get too carried away. You
just may be making a very big (legal) mistake.

Cheers TT

The uni in question here is Edith Cowan University.

For academic purposes fair use applies. This permits reproduction for
the course of 10% of the material of the original work. The copyright
act makes no mention of RAM and if there are any legal precedents in
this matter I'd love to read them, AFAIK there are none.

--
spammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo

I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
http://www.abmdr.org.au/
http://www.marrow.org/

 

[spodosaurus]

For academic purposes fair use applies. This permits reproduction for
the course of 10% of the material of the original work. The copyright
act makes no mention of RAM and if there are any legal precedents in
this matter I'd love to read them, AFAIK there are none.

PS - I'd love a contact email for the person that in ECU's legal that
came to this conclusion. I'd be interested to hear more, as I'm worried
that I'm missing something about this important subject with third hand
info.

--
spammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo

I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
http://www.abmdr.org.au/
http://www.marrow.org/

 

[spodosaurus]

PS - I'd love a contact email for the person that in ECU's legal that
came to this conclusion. I'd be interested to hear more, as I'm worried
that I'm missing something about this important subject with third hand
info.

I also should have been more specific: the clips are from recordings of
broadcasts. Most unis pay a fee to a copyright umbrella organisation for
this purpose.

--
spammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo

I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
http://www.abmdr.org.au/
http://www.marrow.org/

 

[Shep©]

It does not really matter very much, *EXCEPT*

o arrange things when editing so that the source and destination are on
different hard drives.
o arrange things so that when creating the DVD files from the edited
video the source and destination are on different hard drives.

For example:

o use the 120GB drive for the initial capture
o edit from that to the 40GB drive when assembling the clips
o create the DVD image on the 120GB drive from the clips assembled on the
40GB drive

This should make things *VERY* much faster (five times or more) than reading
and writing large files using the same drive. To see how much, just try
copying a 1GB file within each of the hard drives, and then see how very
much faster it is when one disk is the source and the other is the
destination.

Then it's probably better if the DVD image drive is on a different cable
from the DVD writer, in which case put both hard disks on the first
controller and both optical drives on the second.

John Howells

So rare to see an accurate post on this subject.
Kudos
What he said

 

[TT]

::
: I also should have been more specific: the clips are from
recordings of
: broadcasts. Most unis pay a fee to a copyright umbrella
organisation for
: this purpose.
:
This is what we were specifically warned about. I have sent
an email off and I will see what I can do. Actually it all
started because the lecturers were not taping enough. ECU
apparently pays some huge fee for the privilege. The
problem arises (apparently) when computers get involved. -
shrug!

IMHO it is very silly and just *may* be the interpretation
of some idiot legal eagle.

I will post more when I get a reply.

Cheers TT

 

[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Je=DFus?=]

Hi all,

My wife is going to be taking video clips from VHS and DVD and editting
them into compilations for lectures (output to DVD, VHS, and for
playback from a laptop, depending on what AV equipment the lecture
theatres have). I'm wondering how I should arrange her IDE drives for
best performance:
1x 40GB Seagate HDD
1x 120GB Western Digital HDD (about to be installed so she can work on
the video files on this drive)
1x CDROM
1x Pioneer DVR107D DVD burner

What are your thoughts on which IDE ribbons these drives should be
placed on? I was thinking about a hard drive and an optical drive on
each ribbon but realised that the ribbons probably wouldn't reach. I
could try and add a PCI IDE expansion card and see how that goes (I have
one that was going to go into our backup/file server, but it could go
into her computer).

I don't think any given combo will make a huge difference...
Although I would try to keep the two HDDs on separate channels if practical.
As you say though, the ribbons may not be long enough.
I wouldnt worry about it too much.

 

[Rod Speed]

My wife is going to be taking video clips from VHS and DVD and
editting them into compilations for lectures (output to DVD, VHS, and for
playback from a laptop, depending on what AV equipment the lecture theatres
have). I'm wondering how I should arrange her IDE drives for best performance:
1x 40GB Seagate HDD
1x 120GB Western Digital HDD (about to be installed so she can work on the
video files on this drive)
1x CDROM
1x Pioneer DVR107D DVD burner

What are your thoughts on which IDE ribbons these drives should be placed on?

It doesnt normally matter much, essentially because
ops are normally limited by the speed of the burner.

I was thinking about a hard drive and an optical drive on each ribbon but
realised that the ribbons probably wouldn't reach.

Yeah, thats the main reason for the allocation to ribbons,
what works best physically. And that normally means the
optical drives on one ribbon and the hard drives on the other.

I could try and add a PCI IDE expansion card and see how that goes (I have one
that was going to go into our backup/file server, but it could go into her
computer).

No point, complete waste of time unless you have no IDE ports left.

 

[Rod Speed]

spodosaurus wrote

Get an IDE controller and separate all the drives. I.e. one drive per channel.

Complete waste of time and money. Wont achieve
a damned thing with the way that PC will be used.

A small boot drive is not always the best as alot of apps use it for
temp/work/swap files.

If the WD is an 8 meg cache model it would be a better candidate for a boot
drive as Windows will run a little faster.

Can be noticeably faster.

At worst I would set it up as 120g primary master, 40g primary slave
Fine.

and Pioneer 107 as secondary master. The cdrom is probably not going to be
much use to you anyway, so probably best just to ditch it.

No need, it wont have any effect being there.

 

[Rod Speed]

It does not really matter very much, *EXCEPT*

o arrange things when editing so that the source and destination
are on different hard drives.
o arrange things so that when creating the DVD files from the
edited video the source and destination are on different hard drives.

For example:

o use the 120GB drive for the initial capture
o edit from that to the 40GB drive when assembling the clips
o create the DVD image on the 120GB drive from the clips assembled
on the 40GB drive

This should make things *VERY* much faster (five times or more) than
reading and writing large files using the same drive. To see how
much, just try copying a 1GB file within each of the hard drives, and
then see how very much faster it is when one disk is the source and
the other is the destination.

Then it's probably better if the DVD image drive
is on a different cable from the DVD writer,

It makes no difference, essentially because the speed of
burning is completely limited by the speed of the DVD writer.

in which case put both hard disks on the first
controller and both optical drives on the second.

And that's normally the best mechanically, anything
else will often see the ribbon cables not long enough.

 

[Rod Speed]

OT a little. My wife is a lecturer at a local uni and we
have done this sort of thing for her. Now the good bit.

**YOU CAN'T DO IT" legally.

Wrong. That depends entirely on whether the material is
copyrighted and whether she has permission to use it,
and even if she doesnt, the copyright act allows limited
copying of small bits of the original in some situations too.

You are in breach of copyright

You dont know that.

and the Unis in this part of the World are shit scared about
being sued. I have had this conversation with my wife that
just had the head of their legal dept go right through it.
Apparently (this is from the wife) you breach copyright the
moment you use a machine equipped with *RAM* memory.
Wrong.

You can tape a TV program and replay it on VHS
or DVD-R *BUT* the moment it comes in contact with
a computer (laptop) the legal hounds are set loose.
Wrong.

"Shrug" I'm only relaying the story.

You've mangled it utterly.

My wife (lectures nursing) would often tape
shows like ER and use bits as teaching aids.

Even that may be legal in some circumstances.

Now since her laptop is already hooked up to a projector
it would make sense to me to have the stuff stored on the
HD or on DVD-R in her drive for replay. Apparently not!
Must use a separate machine with out RAM.
Wrong.

This is **STUPID**!!!!

Its just plain WRONG.

Please check first before you get too carried away.
You just may be making a very big (legal) mistake.

Its unlikely anyone would do anything except say stop doing it.

 

[Rod Speed]

PS - I'd love a contact email for the person that in ECU's legal that
came to this conclusion. I'd be interested to hear more, as I'm
worried that I'm missing something about this important subject with
third hand info.

You arent missing anything, you have got it right.

 

[Rod Speed]

This is what we were specifically warned about.

Then you either totally mangled what you
were told or that fool who claimed it did.

I have sent an email off and I will see what I can do.

You could read the copyright act, its
quite readable on that fair use question.

Actually it all started because the lecturers were not
taping enough. ECU apparently pays some huge fee
for the privilege. The problem arises (apparently)
when computers get involved. - shrug!

Wrong. There is nothing in the copyright
act that says anything like what you claim.

IMHO it is very silly and just *may* be
the interpretation of some idiot legal eagle.

No maybe about it, its utterly wrong.

The copyright act does in fact now make explicit
provision for caching copyright material. That does
not breach copyright. In spades when you are
paying royaltys to the copyright owner.

 

[spodosaurus]

::
: I also should have been more specific: the clips are from
recordings of
: broadcasts. Most unis pay a fee to a copyright umbrella
organisation for
: this purpose.
:
This is what we were specifically warned about. I have sent
an email off and I will see what I can do. Actually it all
started because the lecturers were not taping enough. ECU
apparently pays some huge fee for the privilege. The
problem arises (apparently) when computers get involved. -
shrug!

IMHO it is very silly and just *may* be the interpretation
of some idiot legal eagle.

I will post more when I get a reply.

Cheers TT

Hopefully in order to come into compliance with the FTA with the USA
we'll start getting some more flexible copyright laws with better fair
use provisions. Thanks for looking into this further for me, it's much
appreciated.

Ari

--
spammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo

I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
http://www.abmdr.org.au/
http://www.marrow.org/

 

[TT]

Hopefully in order to come into compliance with the FTA with the USA
we'll start getting some more flexible copyright laws with better fair
use provisions. Thanks for looking into this further for me, it's much
appreciated.

Ari

Send me an email with a valid address and I will send you
what I have. The answer is copyrighted!!!! So I can't post
to a public forum. I can also give you the ECU official
that gave the information.

Cheers TT

 

[T Shadow]

I don't think any given combo will make a huge difference...
Although I would try to keep the two HDDs on separate channels if practical.
As you say though, the ribbons may not be long enough.
I wouldnt worry about it too much.

I think you are correct about HDDs on separate channels . When I had my
system just doing analog capture I didn't notice having a problem with both
drives on the same channel but when I added a HDTV card it couldn't keep up.
Putting the "capture" drive on it's own channel rectified the situation. IOW
you don't want the O/S and capture competing for the channel.
YMMV