I'd Like To Apologize To Several In the Group

[Talahasee]

I'd Like To Apologize To Several In the Group

Within the past few weeks, I have managed to piss several
people off in here.

Such was not my intent.

I had hoped it would not come to this, but after having a
discussion with a close friend this AM, I have decided that
the people in here have enough character and enough maturity
(not all groups are like this one), that a simple apology,
with a simple explanation, would probably be well-received.

I am a mental patient. Not confined in any way, but I know I
can be abrasive.

I usually don't realize that I've been abrasive until I'm
told. I apologize.

I don't need to go into all the nooks and crannies. You
don't need to know my "diagnosis", though if anyone asks,
I'll likely tell you.

Suffice it to say that I am aware of it, I am in treatment,
and I wish only the very best to everyone in here.

Some have commented that my advice is at times "crap."

I agree. But I don't always know that it is when I give it.
However, I DO hover to see what OTHERS say, and then I
realize, "boy, I sure missed it THAT time."

What I have decided to do, if the situation isn't crystal
clear. I will state UP FRONT, that I am not technically
oriented or qualified. I will state up front that the person
should probably hang out a day or two and get the best
advice that is given.

But-- on the other hand-- should no one else bother (I've
had to ask a question 3 or 4 times to get an answer, and
sometimes have never gotten one)

I don't feel that-- if I have A solution, or a "near-guess"
that I should keep quiet merely because there's no "AS"
(Associates) after my name.

That said, AGAIN, apologies to any I've offended or pissed
off.

I mean well.

And thanks a GAZILLION to the MANY in here who have saved MY
bacon this past month!

Someone told me how to edit my registry yesterday, I tried
it, "with fear and trembling", and was

SUCCESSFUL!

( I JUST L O V E learning new stuff about this computer!)


Good luck!


Tallahassee

 

[George Hester]

Well said. We all hope to give the right answers and wish we had when we
don't. It's a learning experience for many of us. As for making people in
this newsgroup upset listen man don't worry about it. You never know what
is going to rock someone's cradle.

 

[Talahasee]

Well said. We all hope to give the right answers and wish we had when we
don't. It's a learning experience for many of us. As for making people in
this newsgroup upset listen man don't worry about it. You never know what
is going to rock someone's cradle.

Thanks for understanding.

My momma used to say, "All you can give is your best, but
you better DARN sight give THAT!"


Tallahassee

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

I'd Like To Apologize To Several In the Group

Within the past few weeks, I have managed to piss several
people off in here.

Such was not my intent.

I had hoped it would not come to this, but after having a
discussion with a close friend this AM, I have decided that
the people in here have enough character and enough maturity
(not all groups are like this one), that a simple apology,
with a simple explanation, would probably be well-received.

Assuming that I'm one of the people you're apologizing to, thank you, and
I'm happy to accept your apology.

Some have commented that my advice is at times "crap."

I agree. But I don't always know that it is when I give it.

That's because many of your answers have been guesses. Guesses are more
often wrong than right. Guessing at answers is more likely to harm people
than help them. Surely you know when you're guessing. Don't guess, provide
advice only when you know the answer, and your advice won't be crap. See
below.

However, I DO hover to see what OTHERS say, and then I
realize, "boy, I sure missed it THAT time."

What I have decided to do, if the situation isn't crystal
clear. I will state UP FRONT, that I am not technically
oriented or qualified. I will state up front that the person
should probably hang out a day or two and get the best
advice that is given.

But-- on the other hand-- should no one else bother (I've
had to ask a question 3 or 4 times to get an answer, and
sometimes have never gotten one)

I don't feel that-- if I have A solution, or a "near-guess"
that I should keep quiet merely because there's no "AS"
(Associates) after my name.

You certainly don't need any letters after your name to give an answer. Lots
of people without titles know lots of things, and everyone with a title
didn't suddenly start giving good advice the day he got the title. And I've
also seen lots of people with titles who knew next to nothing.

None of us here, with or without a title, knows everything and we all are
better in some areas that in others. That's why none of us answers every
question. We choose to answer only the questions where we know (or are
pretty darn sure we know) the answer.

Stating that you are "not technically oriented or qualified" is not the
thing to do. If you are not qualified to answer a question, nobody wants to
read your answer, so that's a self-defeating approach. Instead what you
should do is answer questions just as anyone else does, but *only* those
questions where you sure you know the correct answer.

Don't guess at the answer. Someone who follows your guess can easily end up
in more trouble than he started with. And if you are almost sure, but not
quite absolutely sure, that what you are saying is correct, you might want
to preface a reply with something like "I'm not absolutely sure, but I think
that..."

Most of all, if you're not technically-oriented, but want to become such,
spend much more time here reading answers, and learning from them, than
providing answers yourself.Especially learn who are the people whose advice
can be trusted and learn from them, and it won't be very long before you too
can start providing good advice.

 

[Guest]

Hi Tal,
Also Geo, Ken:
In reading this post I have found it to be very informative, not only in the
technical sense but more importantly in the human interest sense. Thanks for
"WAKING" some of us up.
Franktee

 

[Guest]

It takes one helluva person to admit when they are wrong or to apoligise if
they think they have been. Maybe it is many of us in here that owe the
apologies to others. You have shown a quality that is very rare in people,
today. You have shown the ability to apologize, admit wrong and offer to
change. I salute you for a very OUTSTANDING CHARACTER.
Good Luck

The first step in success is knowing where you went wrong

 

[Talahasee]

It takes one helluva person to admit when they are wrong or to apoligise if
they think they have been. Maybe it is many of us in here that owe the
apologies to others. You have shown a quality that is very rare in people,
today. You have shown the ability to apologize, admit wrong and offer to
change. I salute you for a very OUTSTANDING CHARACTER.
Good Luck

The first step in success is knowing where you went wrong

I don't know what to say!

I am humbled!

Thank you.




Good luck!


Tallahassee

 

[Talahasee]

Assuming that I'm one of the people you're apologizing to, thank you, and
I'm happy to accept your apology.

Can't say you are; can't say you aren't.

As my background is writing,
(one of my lifelong PASSIONS, and I have a BA in Journalism)

I study writing styles. Your style is familiar and suggests
that you are one I am apologizing to.

My mental infirmity, however, is such that I have little/no
memory for NAMES, so it's just a "good guess."

That's because many of your answers have been guesses. Guesses are more
often wrong than right.

I didn't know that. However, I didn't offer an apology to
then argue about it.

That said, I am not the only one in here who is abrasive.

Guessing at answers is more likely to harm people

than help them.

I'd have to agree for the most part, but I BELIEVE (could be
wrong) that my guesses have been -- for the most part--
pretty good.

This apology/explanation/plan of action was intended to
convey that I don't intend to guess so much in the future,
and even if I have a BEST GUESS, I will CLEARLY say so.

Kindly give me THAT much credit. I have certainly bowed to
your knowledge on more than one occasion, if not your
approach.


Surely you know when you're guessing.

Again, with my mental impairment, that is not a good
judgment. Another of my impairments is that I don't have the
very best judgment in some areas.

I have NUMEROUS times only fixed a computer (LONG before I
discovered this group/we're talking 10 YEARS ago) only by
trial and error, and likely did more harm to the system than
good before I FINALLY figure it out.

I have many times had NO CLUE what I "finally did right"
except that after I did half-a-dozen things, and the
computer FINALLY worked, I realized, "one of the things it
took me 5 hours to do, WORKED!"

I am hereby pledging to NOT give people the 5-hour approach.

Parts of your 'mini-lecture' seem to have overlooked that I
just covered that in my new plan of action.

Perhaps you like not only to spank the puppy, but also to
rub his nose in his mess?

I'm not a puppy! I will therefore try to treat you with
respect if you will return the favor.

Nor am I a 10 year old you need to talk down to.


Don't guess,

As stated, I don't always know it's a guess.

If you know anything about bi-polar disorder, our judgment
isn't always at "100 %".

That is why I suggested that I would CLEARLY mark my "best
GUESS" as exactly that in the future.

And I HAVE been there and given advice when no one else
bothered, for several days.

That is equally inexcusable.

I have read MULTIPLE pleas from people who proclaim "this is
my 4th post! Please, someone help!" And no one does.

I am one who will not ignore it if I have a "best guess."

If you don't want me "trashing someone's machine," step in
before I must.

provide

advice only when you know the answer, and your advice won't be crap. See
below.

Perhaps my apology to YOU was a bit premature.

We shall see.

You certainly don't need any letters after your name to give an answer. Lots
of people without titles know lots of things, and everyone with a title
didn't suddenly start giving good advice the day he got the title. And I've
also seen lots of people with titles who knew next to nothing.

And I have seen folks with titles who didn't know much about
how to handle people.

I'm mentally ill, which I stated OPENLY.

That's MY excuse. Do YOU have one?


Good luck!


Tallahassee

 

[Talahasee]

Hi Tal,
Also Geo, Ken:
In reading this post I have found it to be very informative, not only in the
technical sense but more importantly in the human interest sense. Thanks for
"WAKING" some of us up.
Franktee

Thank YOU!

And from reading all the replies, I see that I have woken
SOME of you up, but not all.

There remain some who feel it is their moral obligation to
kick you in the stones or slap your tits to get your
attention.

At least I know I have issues.


Good luck!


Tallahassee

 

[Jonny]

People provide an informational solution based on information provided
regarding the problem. If something is left out, its usually guessed at
here with best guess based on what's common. A rare few may ask the
question regarding missing information. That is this group's major problem.
And not your fault.
Voiced/written/acted-out anger, whether due to an emmotional state, drugs,
alcohol, or whatever is not usually excusable in today's society but is
tolerated in minor cases.
A long, drawn out line of excuses is boring, and begs for plausability.

 

[Talahasee]

People provide an informational solution based on information provided
regarding the problem. If something is left out, its usually guessed at
here with best guess based on what's common. A rare few may ask the
question regarding missing information. That is this group's major problem.
And not your fault.
Voiced/written/acted-out anger, whether due to an emmotional state, drugs,
alcohol, or whatever is not usually excusable in today's society but is
tolerated in minor cases.
A long, drawn out line of excuses is boring, and begs for plausability.

Was that an "attaboy", a "you're forgiven", a "it's ok", or
a "you gotta be kidding" ?

Your verbosity lost me.

Tallahassee

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

Parts of your 'mini-lecture' seem to have overlooked that I
just covered that in my new plan of action.

Perhaps you like not only to spank the puppy, but also to
rub his nose in his mess?

I'm not a puppy! I will therefore try to treat you with
respect if you will return the favor.

Nor am I a 10 year old you need to talk down to.

I was trying to give you helpful constructive advice for posting in the
future. If you would like to take that as treating you as puppy or a
ten-year-old, so be it.

 

[Talahasee]

I was trying to give you helpful constructive advice for posting in the
future. If you would like to take that as treating you as puppy or a
ten-year-old, so be it.

You have given your holier than thou, nobler than thou
opinion from the mountain top.

Fine. So be it.

I have tried to be nice.

As I have stated, you are not only responsible for what you
communicate, but how.

I guarantee you, any wife would not put up with it.

AGAIN, you prefer being a total jerk to being nice.

And if you prefer being nasty, I can out-nasty you (which is
utterly ridiculous), or I can choose to do more of the
things you HATE very deliberately just to bug you.

Or I can choose to ignore you.

As I have repeatedly stated, I am not the only one who has
intimated that you are a total ass. I am perhaps the only
one who has dared to say so.

I DO have at the other end of my telephone a computer
engineer who could run circles around you in his sleep on a
bad day.

To quote the famous Paul Harvey, Ken,

"I truly wish I could buy you for what you are worth, and
then sell you for what you THINK you are worth. And then I
could retire a VERY rich man!"

You types who think you can throw sulphuric acid and then
exclaim "It wasn't ME!"

the world could do without.

And has it occurred to you YET that NO ONE-- I repeat NO ONE
in here has risen to YOUR defense?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..


You obviously believe a kick in the balls is being nice.

Does the old Marine acronym "GFY" mean anything to you?

Good luck!


Tallahassee

 

[Talahasee]

I was trying to give you helpful constructive advice for posting in the
future. If you would like to take that as treating you as puppy or a
ten-year-old, so be it.

Apologies again!

I let myself get dragged down to your mud-slinging,
infantile, "King of the molehill" level!

I am bigger than that!

I will not be controlled by those who are never wrong about
anything, and for whom giving an apology is like having an
appendectomy.


Good luck!


Tallahassee

 

[Leythos]

Was that an "attaboy", a "you're forgiven", a "it's ok", or
a "you gotta be kidding" ?

Your verbosity lost me.

what he's saying is that your actions speak louder than your words - if
you are responsible and polite, even though there is a very rare
outburst, you will be forgiven, if you are rude / nasty and provide
excuses for it, well, you will be shunned / ignored by the community.

 

[Talahasee]

what he's saying is that your actions speak louder than your words - if
you are responsible and polite, even though there is a very rare
outburst, you will be forgiven, if you are rude / nasty and provide
excuses for it, well, you will be shunned / ignored by the community.

Gotcha! Thanks!



I think you / the group will note that I don't shriek much.
I do defend myself when I believe I am being unnecessarily
attacked / provoked.

As I have said elsewhere, it's one thing to say, "That is
inappropriate." Or "kindly don't do that."

It's another thing entirely to say, "That was REALLY stupid,
you MORON!"

or
to walk up to someone, slap them upside the head with a
brick, and when they're laying there on the ground,
bleeding, you say, "Now that I have your attention, "Don't
do that!"


"It's kinda the approach!"

Good luck!


Tallahassee

 

[Steve N.]

I'd Like To Apologize To Several In the Group

Within the past few weeks, I have managed to piss several
people off in here.

Such was not my intent.

I had hoped it would not come to this, but after having a
discussion with a close friend this AM, I have decided that
the people in here have enough character and enough maturity
(not all groups are like this one), that a simple apology,
with a simple explanation, would probably be well-received.

I am a mental patient. Not confined in any way, but I know I
can be abrasive.

I usually don't realize that I've been abrasive until I'm
told. I apologize.

I don't need to go into all the nooks and crannies. You
don't need to know my "diagnosis", though if anyone asks,
I'll likely tell you.

Suffice it to say that I am aware of it, I am in treatment,
and I wish only the very best to everyone in here.

Some have commented that my advice is at times "crap."

I agree. But I don't always know that it is when I give it.
However, I DO hover to see what OTHERS say, and then I
realize, "boy, I sure missed it THAT time."

What I have decided to do, if the situation isn't crystal
clear. I will state UP FRONT, that I am not technically
oriented or qualified. I will state up front that the person
should probably hang out a day or two and get the best
advice that is given.

But-- on the other hand-- should no one else bother (I've
had to ask a question 3 or 4 times to get an answer, and
sometimes have never gotten one)

I don't feel that-- if I have A solution, or a "near-guess"
that I should keep quiet merely because there's no "AS"
(Associates) after my name.

That said, AGAIN, apologies to any I've offended or pissed
off.

I mean well.

And thanks a GAZILLION to the MANY in here who have saved MY
bacon this past month!

Someone told me how to edit my registry yesterday, I tried
it, "with fear and trembling", and was

SUCCESSFUL!

( I JUST L O V E learning new stuff about this computer!)


Good luck!


Tallahassee

Don't worry about it too much, Tallywacker . You're obviously able to
learn, and this is a good thing. Take the criticisms as best you can,
and learn from it when you can. That's the point, right? No one here
knows it all, we're all peers and (hopefully) learn from each other.

3 day weekend - YAY-YEAH! Cheers!

Steve N.

 

[Paul Knudsen]

I am a mental patient. Not confined in any way, but I know I
can be abrasive.

Don't worry overmuch. I'm not a mental patient (yet) but I can get
abrasive too.