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Herb Fritatta
Thanks, I'll look it over. Check back for a response.
Although I couched the question in a general way, this
would have no effect on me because I don't use IE.
Thanks, I'll look it over. Check back for a response.
Although I couched the question in a general way, this
would have no effect on me because I don't use IE.
J
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
This is what it should have said:
Patches will most likely come out, at least one has been out for
several weeks.
But if people want to install SP-2 later after having problems now,
they MUST research since most issues already have a resolution either
through a simple reconfiguration or an update from manufacturer.
Very few existing issues are Microsoft problems.
Patches will most likely come out, at least one has been out for
several weeks.
But if people want to install SP-2 later after having problems now,
they MUST research since most issues already have a resolution either
through a simple reconfiguration or an update from manufacturer.
Very few existing issues are Microsoft problems.
J
Jack
Allow me a quote from you, and from the message you reply to:
<Quote> Very few existing issues are Microsoft problems.</Quote>
<Quote> While waiting you also need to research your specific hardware and
software for SP-2 compatibility issues: Quote>
1 - If we are installing a Microsoft patch (SP) to a Microsoft product
(XP -IE) just who's problem is it?
2 - Why, pray tell, do we need to have our systems compatible to the service
pack. If they are compatible with our current version of XP then the SP
damx well should be compatible with our system!
Scenario/metaphor: (The item could be ANY device and/or software - I'll use
a printer)
I have a 6 month old, near top of the line, computer. I install a new, well
known mfg.'s, printer. I go to the windows update and it tells me there are
no newer drivers for it. NOW, 6 months later, I install SP2 and, say, my
printer malfunctions upon installing SP2. What you, and some others, are
trying to have us believe is that the problem is with our computer and or
printer. I, strongly, suggest the problem is with the SP! If my OS (XP) is
perfectly happy with my hardware/software configuartion, is functioning just
fine and then the SP renders part or all of the system unusable guess
who/what is going to be left standing when the music stops . . . - YEP
the SP!
The arguments I hear being made on the pro SP side of this issue are STRONG
evidence that we need a standalone, unbundled, unintigrated operating
system!
<Quote> Very few existing issues are Microsoft problems.</Quote>
<Quote> While waiting you also need to research your specific hardware and
software for SP-2 compatibility issues: Quote>
1 - If we are installing a Microsoft patch (SP) to a Microsoft product
(XP -IE) just who's problem is it?
2 - Why, pray tell, do we need to have our systems compatible to the service
pack. If they are compatible with our current version of XP then the SP
damx well should be compatible with our system!
Scenario/metaphor: (The item could be ANY device and/or software - I'll use
a printer)
I have a 6 month old, near top of the line, computer. I install a new, well
known mfg.'s, printer. I go to the windows update and it tells me there are
no newer drivers for it. NOW, 6 months later, I install SP2 and, say, my
printer malfunctions upon installing SP2. What you, and some others, are
trying to have us believe is that the problem is with our computer and or
printer. I, strongly, suggest the problem is with the SP! If my OS (XP) is
perfectly happy with my hardware/software configuartion, is functioning just
fine and then the SP renders part or all of the system unusable guess
who/what is going to be left standing when the music stops . . . - YEP
the SP!
The arguments I hear being made on the pro SP side of this issue are STRONG
evidence that we need a standalone, unbundled, unintigrated operating
system!
R
robin
well i again checked with my friend and this is what he said about sp2a- i
also asked him if he got this from MS directly
Maybe you are just out of the loop or maybe a choice bunch were picked for
this.
My friend never lied to me in the past why would he lie now?
"Not sure when release date is, just know they wanted test result by 17.
Fixes for some drivers for cd's, install problems with office 2003, and some
programing tool problems. There was others just do not remember.
Yes directly from MS."
robin
also asked him if he got this from MS directly
Maybe you are just out of the loop or maybe a choice bunch were picked for
this.
My friend never lied to me in the past why would he lie now?
"Not sure when release date is, just know they wanted test result by 17.
Fixes for some drivers for cd's, install problems with office 2003, and some
programing tool problems. There was others just do not remember.
Yes directly from MS."
robin
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SlowJet
Dah, your computer is older than XP.
For the orginal cost of your old PC you can buy two or three that will out
perform it and be XPSP2 friendly.
I have a pair of shoes that I really like and now they have a leak in the
side of the sole. I was thinkling about getting another pair of something
like these and thoht, nooo, I really like the smell and the wet foot feel.
Besides their like friends now.
Then I realised they were 6 years old.
So like a 6 year, pout or get real. Your choice.
SJ
For the orginal cost of your old PC you can buy two or three that will out
perform it and be XPSP2 friendly.
I have a pair of shoes that I really like and now they have a leak in the
side of the sole. I was thinkling about getting another pair of something
like these and thoht, nooo, I really like the smell and the wet foot feel.
Besides their like friends now.
Then I realised they were 6 years old.
So like a 6 year, pout or get real. Your choice.
SJ
S
SlowJet
Hummm, so you have your underwaer on over your jeans?
Mickel Jackson is waiting for a come back, too.
I have an idea!!!
Buy a new computer for xmas with Sp2 already installed.
Now that is what I call waiting.
SJ
Mickel Jackson is waiting for a come back, too.
I have an idea!!!
Buy a new computer for xmas with Sp2 already installed.
Now that is what I call waiting.
SJ
J
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
Jack;
1. Windows is a Microsoft product.
However the hardware and much of the software usually is not Microsoft
and thus beyond Microsoft's control.
Who's problem? That depends, some current software and hardware is
poorly written taking advantage of some of the weaknesses in windows.
Microsoft has fixed some of those and now poorly written code can not
handle the more secure Windows.
Clearly a 3rd party problem.
They and not Microsoft need to take care of it.
Some choose not to sometimes because the product is to old for them to
expend resources.
Microsoft has a amount of information on this subject alone and you
have seen much of it, do you apply it?
2. "Why, pray tell, do we need to have our systems compatible to the
service pack"
I would have thought the answer is obvious.
If something is not compatible it may not work.
As for your scenario, you left out at least as much important
information as you put in.
What is the source of the problem?
Are there updates available?
Were drivers reinstalled?
Does everyone, some or very few experience the problem?
The fact the problem showed itself upon installation of SP-2 may tell
a little but is not necessarily relevant.
That is why if there are problems YOU need to do the appropriate
research co check compatibility of YOUR system.
After all it is YOUR computer.
"If my OS (XP) is perfectly happy with my hardware/software
configuartion, is functioning justfine and then the SP renders part or
all of the system unusable guesswho/what is going to be left standing
when the music stops . . . - YEP the SP!"
Are you sure? I thought it was your computer!
Now you have a choice, leave it to the SP, or research to determine
the cause and regain the full use of your computer.
It may be the Service Pack or it may be something else.
Since it is YOUR computer, YOU need to make the determination and
follow the course of action YOU CHOOSE.
I am not as much "pro SP" as much as I am pro secure computing and
Jack should know that by now.
As long as you keep that line of thinking instead you may never
understand.
1. Windows is a Microsoft product.
However the hardware and much of the software usually is not Microsoft
and thus beyond Microsoft's control.
Who's problem? That depends, some current software and hardware is
poorly written taking advantage of some of the weaknesses in windows.
Microsoft has fixed some of those and now poorly written code can not
handle the more secure Windows.
Clearly a 3rd party problem.
They and not Microsoft need to take care of it.
Some choose not to sometimes because the product is to old for them to
expend resources.
Microsoft has a amount of information on this subject alone and you
have seen much of it, do you apply it?
2. "Why, pray tell, do we need to have our systems compatible to the
service pack"
I would have thought the answer is obvious.
If something is not compatible it may not work.
As for your scenario, you left out at least as much important
information as you put in.
What is the source of the problem?
Are there updates available?
Were drivers reinstalled?
Does everyone, some or very few experience the problem?
The fact the problem showed itself upon installation of SP-2 may tell
a little but is not necessarily relevant.
That is why if there are problems YOU need to do the appropriate
research co check compatibility of YOUR system.
After all it is YOUR computer.
"If my OS (XP) is perfectly happy with my hardware/software
configuartion, is functioning justfine and then the SP renders part or
all of the system unusable guesswho/what is going to be left standing
when the music stops . . . - YEP the SP!"
Are you sure? I thought it was your computer!
Now you have a choice, leave it to the SP, or research to determine
the cause and regain the full use of your computer.
It may be the Service Pack or it may be something else.
Since it is YOUR computer, YOU need to make the determination and
follow the course of action YOU CHOOSE.
I am not as much "pro SP" as much as I am pro secure computing and
Jack should know that by now.
As long as you keep that line of thinking instead you may never
understand.
J
Jack
Woooooosh . . .
You are hexx bent on having us believe that a system, including all hardware
and software, that works just fine under our existing XP setup should be
compatible with the new sp. I say the new sp SHOULD be compatible with any
system that is working just fine without it. If an item, hardware and/or
software, works under the non-sp2 XP setup the sp install has NO business
rendering it unusable. By your thinking MS can just pick who their favorite
'partners' are and delegate the rest obsolete by simply releasing a sp.
EOC
You are hexx bent on having us believe that a system, including all hardware
and software, that works just fine under our existing XP setup should be
compatible with the new sp. I say the new sp SHOULD be compatible with any
system that is working just fine without it. If an item, hardware and/or
software, works under the non-sp2 XP setup the sp install has NO business
rendering it unusable. By your thinking MS can just pick who their favorite
'partners' are and delegate the rest obsolete by simply releasing a sp.
EOC
T
Testy
Just ignore Jupiter his years of military service have left him a mindless
parrot.
Testy
parrot.
Testy
J
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
And you pointless insults display more of your own character.
Do you have anything intelligent to add?
Or are your insults it?
Do you have anything intelligent to add?
Or are your insults it?
J
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
It would be nice if all the old worked with the new, but that is not
always the case.
It is rarely the case with anything, not just software.
Whether you accept it or not is not really relevant.
It is YOUR CHOICE.
You can CHOOSE SP-2 or not.
But if you CHOOSE SP-2, it is YOUR responsibility to have your
computer compatible with SP-2.
You can also CHOOSE no SP-2 and then you will not have these problems
you refer.
always the case.
It is rarely the case with anything, not just software.
Whether you accept it or not is not really relevant.
It is YOUR CHOICE.
You can CHOOSE SP-2 or not.
But if you CHOOSE SP-2, it is YOUR responsibility to have your
computer compatible with SP-2.
You can also CHOOSE no SP-2 and then you will not have these problems
you refer.
D
Dave Senior
Come on testy!!! You have to respect senior citizens even if they are senile or simply stupid. What has Jupiter done to you? Mind you h knows how to mistreat Iraqi children, women and other innocents.
One day he may tell you everything about his conquest of women wherever he went. He should have many illegitimate children by now if he is a real man!
<SNIP>
--
I use non Microsoft products wherever possible which requires no activation.
I use Netscape 7.2 as my default browser which has everything I need for my work.
I believe in good Financial Management!! I do not believe in enriching rich jerks!
One day he may tell you everything about his conquest of women wherever he went. He should have many illegitimate children by now if he is a real man!
<SNIP>
--
I use non Microsoft products wherever possible which requires no activation.
I use Netscape 7.2 as my default browser which has everything I need for my work.
I believe in good Financial Management!! I do not believe in enriching rich jerks!
J
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
Dave;
And what do we owe these infantile insults?
Or do you have facts to back up your slander?
Do you have anything intelligent to say?
So far you have displayed great ignorance and foolishness in your own
post.
And what do we owe these infantile insults?
Or do you have facts to back up your slander?
Do you have anything intelligent to say?
So far you have displayed great ignorance and foolishness in your own
post.
B
Barry Oakley
That's it is it? That is the sum total of the "wisdom" of this group?
Barry Oakley
The 'Reply-To' address will be valid for a short time.
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Barry Oakley
The 'Reply-To' address will be valid for a short time.
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SlowJet said:Dah, your computer is older than XP.
For the orginal cost of your old PC you can buy two or three that will out
perform it and be XPSP2 friendly.
I have a pair of shoes that I really like and now they have a leak in the
side of the sole. I was thinkling about getting another pair of something
like these and thoht, nooo, I really like the smell and the wet foot feel.
Besides their like friends now.
Then I realised they were 6 years old.
So like a 6 year, pout or get real. Your choice.
SJ
Barry Oakley said:
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xfile
Hi:
The sum total of this group may have a "sample error" if I may remind you
We can't help to wonder if there are any healthy people in the world if we
just stay at emergency room and sample people there.
By the same standard, people here are mostly asking for help or share their
knowledge, experiences, and comments (as I have done also). It is therefore
that you rarely see those success stories here (or healthy people using my
example) except one or two bothered to stop by.
I would recommend you to read more from related industrial reports which
have more balanced reports. But as a heavy computer user, I do believe SP2
is deem necessary.
Hope this will help.
--
Business executive who believes technology but don't want to be messed
around.
The sum total of this group may have a "sample error" if I may remind you
We can't help to wonder if there are any healthy people in the world if we
just stay at emergency room and sample people there.
By the same standard, people here are mostly asking for help or share their
knowledge, experiences, and comments (as I have done also). It is therefore
that you rarely see those success stories here (or healthy people using my
example) except one or two bothered to stop by.
I would recommend you to read more from related industrial reports which
have more balanced reports. But as a heavy computer user, I do believe SP2
is deem necessary.
Hope this will help.
--
Business executive who believes technology but don't want to be messed
around.
Barry Oakley said: