I need to create a new address book


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Martin ©¿©¬

Hello
Using Outlook 2013.
I created a 2nd email address (that is my sky yahoo address)

How do I create an address book for this account?
and how do I enter my contacts into this address book, or even better,
copy my existing sky yahoo contacts into it?

My inbox messages have copied over fine but not my sent messages!
Would there be a way to get them to copy over?

Thank you very much for any help in solving my problems
 
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VanguardLH

Martin said:
Using Outlook 2013.
I created a 2nd email address (that is my sky yahoo address)

How do I create an address book for this account?
and how do I enter my contacts into this address book, or even better,
copy my existing sky yahoo contacts into it?
You want a completely separate address book from your current (default)
one that contains contacts only for your "Yahoo" buddies? This was
actually possible back when I was using OL2003 but hard to manage unless
you were careful in naming the data files so you could differentiate
between the separate address books.

Do you just want to have a seperate group of contacts for your
Yahooligans? In the People view, right-click on "My Contacts" and
select "New folder group" and name it whatever you want. Add your
Yahooligans under there.

For me, the People -> Home -> New Contact Group button is disabled
(grayed out). That's because I have Hotmail account using EAS to access
those accounts. See:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2811596?wa=wsignin1.0
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/office/forum/office_2013_release-outlook/outlook-2013-new-contact-group-greyed-out/f4c88683-f572-4d66-89a7-886794be9014

The more I use EAS the more it sucks. Pretty soon I'll use IMAP and
dump EAS. Oh gee, I lose client-to-server synchronization ... that
doesn't exist, anyway. With IMAP, yup, I'll be using local data files.
No real loss but instead a gain in resuming functionality in Outlook
that goes missing when using EAS. I rarely use the webmail UI to my
Hotmail/Live/Outlook.com accounts so that's not where I need my contacts
and calendars, anyway. EAS is too limp a protocol to support all of
Outlook's features and Outlook.com is too limp a service to support all
of Outlook's features.

If you don't have an EAS account in OL2013 (since you only mentioned
Yahoo), and since EAS (and Deltasync and WebDAV were all Microsoft
proprietary protocols usable only with their Microsoft's e-mail
services) then you are using POP or IMAP to access your Yahoo account.
So see if the People -> Home -> New Contact Group is enabled for you
(because you're using local data files with Outlook).
My inbox messages have copied over fine but not my sent messages!
Would there be a way to get them to copy over?
Don't use POP. Define an IMAP account in OL2013 to access your Yahoo
account. Then, in OL2013, you can access all folders in your Yahoo
account to which you subscribe in OL2013.
 
M

Martin ©¿©¬

You want a completely separate address book from your current (default)
one that contains contacts only for your "Yahoo" buddies? This was
Yes that's the idea. I am able to see both email addresses at the same
time in same window
actually possible back when I was using OL2003 but hard to manage unless
you were careful in naming the data files so you could differentiate
between the separate address books.

Do you just want to have a seperate group of contacts for your
Yahooligans? In the People view, right-click on "My Contacts" and
select "New folder group" and name it whatever you want. Add your
Yahooligans under there.
I got that fine, however when I import my yahoo contacts there is
nothing there. I will try again. It seems like there can only be one
contacts list, but I will figure it out (eventually)
For me, the People -> Home -> New Contact Group button is disabled
(grayed out). That's because I have Hotmail account using EAS to access
those accounts. See:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2811596?wa=wsignin1.0
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/office/forum/office_2013_release-outlook/outlook-2013-new-contact-group-greyed-out/f4c88683-f572-4d66-89a7-886794be9014

The more I use EAS the more it sucks. Pretty soon I'll use IMAP and
dump EAS. Oh gee, I lose client-to-server synchronization ... that
doesn't exist, anyway. With IMAP, yup, I'll be using local data files.
No real loss but instead a gain in resuming functionality in Outlook
that goes missing when using EAS. I rarely use the webmail UI to my
Hotmail/Live/Outlook.com accounts so that's not where I need my contacts
and calendars, anyway. EAS is too limp a protocol to support all of
Outlook's features and Outlook.com is too limp a service to support all
of Outlook's features.

If you don't have an EAS account in OL2013 (since you only mentioned
Yahoo), and since EAS (and Deltasync and WebDAV were all Microsoft
proprietary protocols usable only with their Microsoft's e-mail
services) then you are using POP or IMAP to access your Yahoo account.
So see if the People -> Home -> New Contact Group is enabled for you
(because you're using local data files with Outlook).


Don't use POP. Define an IMAP account in OL2013 to access your Yahoo
account. Then, in OL2013, you can access all folders in your Yahoo
account to which you subscribe in OL2013.
I use Sky as my ISP & a couple of years back when they went with yahoo
thay stopped using imap (which I had always used) & only offered pop.
So I'm stuck with it unfortunately!

Thank you for your help & sorry I didn't reply sooner
 
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VanguardLH

Martin said:
I use Sky as my ISP & a couple of years back when they went with
yahoo thay stopped using imap (which I had always used) & only
offered pop. So I'm stuck with it unfortunately!
Can you go to https://mail.yahoo.com/ and use your login credentials
there (instead of maybe going through some Sky gateway to Yahoo)? If
you can login to Yahoo Mail then you can use IMAP.

POP server: pop.mail.yahoo.com, port 995, SSL: yes
IMAP server: imap.mail.yahoo.com, port 993, SSL: yes
SMTP server: smtp.mail.yahoo.com, port 465, SSL: yes Authentication: yes

https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/
"Anytime you use Yahoo Mail - whether it¢s on the web, mobile web,
mobile apps, or via IMAP, POP or SMTP - it is 100% encrypted by default
and protected with 2,048 bit certificates."
(Note: The encryption is only during transmission. Your e-mail itself
is not encrypted on their server or when sent to other SMTP servers --
unless YOU encrypt it yourself using X.509 or PGP certs.)

IMAP server settings
https://help.yahoo.com/kb/yahoo-account/set-imap-sln4075.html

See if you can use IMAP to connect to your Yahoo Mail account
(contracted with Sky). If Sky is contracting Yahoo for e-mail services
then you should be able to use the features of Yahoo's e-mail services.
It is possible the contracted services don't include IMAP access but
that would be Sky deliberately being cruel to their customers.

In the long past when I previously had Yahoo Mail accounts, POP and IMAP
were available only to paid accounts. There was a trick of using an
Asia account (by changing your region) to get POP access on free
account; however, at some point, they "fixed me" and that stopped
working (I haven't tried it for new accounts plus their config screens
no longer have a regional setting to use the cheat). So, for my free
accounts, I had to use YahooPOPs (aka YPOPs), a local POP-to-HTTP proxy
that used screen scraping and URL navigation to read Yahoo Mail's web
pages and move between them. So my local e-mail client was using POP,
connecting to YPOPS, and converted to an HTTP connect to Yahoo Mail. It
worked until Yahoo decided to thwart the several such POP-to-HTTP
proxies by changing either the content of their web pages, the names of
the HTML objects within, or the URL navigation between their web pages.
So YPOPs users had to wait until the author modified his proxy to
accomodate the changes at Yahoo Mail. After a few years, I gave up on
using Yahoo Mail. While everyone else with free accounts was providing
POP and IMAP access, Yahoo held out. Must be Yahoo thinks they haven't
much to offer beyond POP and IMAP access.

I just had a temporary Yahoo Mail account up to a couple weeks ago. It
was a free account. IMAP worked to access it.


More likely is Yahoo didn't have IMAP access back when Sky contracted
Yahoo for e-mail services. IMAP for free accounts was added around
August 2009 (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=493064) but
originally intended for use only by mobile device users. It was a
workaround for mobile apps that only support IMAP for Yahoo's paying
customers. Yet, when found out, non-mobile users started using IMAP,
too. Yahoo added IMAP for business services back around September 2011
(http://37prime.wordpress.com/2011/09/21/yahoo-adds-imap-supports-to-small-business-email/).
 
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Martin ©¿©¬

Can you go to https://mail.yahoo.com/ and use your login credentials
there (instead of maybe going through some Sky gateway to Yahoo)? If
you can login to Yahoo Mail then you can use IMAP.
If I had a yahoo.com address that would be easy enough, but my address
is a sky.com address with sky's yahoo server which is a completely
different animal & only allows a pop address.

For some purposes I think I might create a yahoo imap setup at it
works fo pc, laptop, tablet & mobile.

I feel another learing curve looming <grin>

Thank you again for your insight & help
 

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