I guess the answer is suffer!!!

[Steve]

What gives, I am not the only one with this problem, it has shown up in
various forms. There has been no solutions offered.

Fine, if there are none, admit it, there is a bug and we are working on it.

Leaving customers hanging is horrible way to treat them.

As it stands any one how asks me about Vista I say do not do it. If you are
looking for a new computer find an old XP one, or have XP installed and
Vista removed.

Nice PR guys.


I am still looking for a solution, to why I cannot backup to a an XP machine
from a Vista machine.
I am running XP home and Vista home premium.
The network is humming along just fine, all shares can be accessed and
written to, whether XP to XP, Vista to XP or XP to Vista, no passwords or
ID's are required.

Backing up between XP to XP had no problems, backing up XP to Vista, no
problems.

Now backing up Vista to XP, is a no go. It asks for and ID and Password. I
have tried all that are setup but get the same error message.

The network share could not be accessed for the following reason:

No mapping between account names and security IDs was done.
(0x80070534)

Please ensure that the network location is valid.

The location is valid, as I have mentioned, I can read and write to the
share no problem. The IDs are valid I am using them on all machines.

Is there a solution?

 

[Gloria Boyer [MSFT]]

Hi Steve. I'm sorry you're having so much trouble with this. I can
understand your frustration.

Do you have exactly the same user account and password on both machines?

Thanks,
Gloria

 

[Jill Zoeller [MSFT]]

Steve, I'm sorry I didn't see your post sooner. Unfortunately a network
share on a computer running Windows XP Home Edition is not supported as a
backup location because this edition does not support setting permissions on
the shares, nor does it support authenticating as a specific account over
the network.

See http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/archive/2006/09/27/458871.aspx for
details.

 

[Steve]

Thanks for responding. Not was I was hoping to hear. A lot of people have
been asking about this. The information should be in the help files.

I was able to do this under XP, why make the change in Vista?

Steve

 

[Jill Zoeller [MSFT]]

Steve, I will pass your feedback to the person responsible for the Backup
help.

The reason behind this requirement is security--we don't want to put a
backup at risk by having it stored in an unsecure share. I understand that
not everyone will agree with this. It's always a tough trade-off between
security and ease of access.


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[Steve]

I understand the need for heavy security for business models, but not for
homes users.

What do I need that level of security for, it is me and my spouse and three
computers. All the security stuff is not needed for home users, we just
need to ensure nothing gets at it from outside, not from us. Password
protecting should be an option.

Same goes for networking, why so difficult and hard to understand and to
use, a home user just needs to share folders and files and internet
connections. None of us have IT specialists on speed dial. A more simplified
installation process for home users would be nice. Walk us through the steps
of setting up on all machines.

Thanks for listening

Steve

 

[Jill Zoeller [MSFT]]

XP Home just wasn't meant as an OS for networking. The way it works is that
EVERYONE has access to the share. They is no authentication whatsoever. If
you have an insecure wireless network, for example, there's no way to
protect your backups on that share. You could have Turbotax, MS Money, and
other sensitive data in that backup. Of course, not everyone is using
wireless, let alone unsecured wireless, but there are still plenty of people
who do.

The solution to your particular situation is to upgrade XP Home to XP
Professional. Probably not the answer you wanted, but it's a way to not only
enable your scenario but also secure your backups.

Wish I had some background into the networking design but this is outside my
area. I haven't tried it myself because I haven't had a need (yet) to
network my home computers.

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[...winston]

Jill,
Fortunately I'm lucky. All my networked machines(4 total - two desktops
Vista Ultimate RTM 6000, Vista Pre-Release 5840; two laptops XP Pro Sp2) are
functional whether backing up to each o/s machine or shared network drives
be it Msft or 3rd party imaging software. Similar to the original poster,
all pcs reside on a home network and in use by trusted users.

I do sympathize with the poster but also agree that XP Pro will go along
way to reduce the 'suffering'.

Another issue and not sure how global this occurrence may be is the
availability of XP Pro.

I live in a major metropolitan area of approx. 2 million people with at
least 30 retailers in a 10 mile radius offering all types of computer
software(Msft and the competition). A week ago I suggested someone upgrade
their home systems from 3 machines(2- XP Home and Win98) to XP Pro to take
advantage of the additional security in a home network environment. Two
retailers had XP Pro full or upgrade, each had been opened and reshrink
wrapped(i.e returned). The majority were not planning on stocking XP beyond
June 1. No special orders were available, and many suggested purchasing
online amazon or ebay. At least with amazon it still seems to be in an
available supply for the retail boxed version from their online suppliers,
though also loaded with a variety of second hand sellers of used cd/product
key and Oem versions. Plausibly easy for the average home purchaser to make
an uninformed and maybe even drastic choice.

Upgrading from XP Home to Pro is a valid argument...finding it locally if
this area is an indication or elsewhere may be difficult. Not to compound
the problem, but it seems a good bet that similar networking attempts with
Vista and XP Home will be present for the foreseeable future.

As a Msft stockholder since IPO, I applaud our efforts on a product that
improves business and home security across multiple product versions(Basic
to Ultimate) though in this same leap-of-faith scenario we may also be
sending the wrong message to some longtime loyal customers where simplicity
of multiple unit configuration is their primary perception.

...winston

 

[Steve]

I am not likely to upgrade the old laptop, because it is old. When I got the
new Vista loaded laptop, I stripped the old one of data and planned on
getting rid of it. Then it occurred to me to use it as a backup machine,
save money on CD's and DVD and the need to buy an external drive. The money
spent on upgrading to XP pro could go towards third party software or the
external drive.

I will reiterate, I am home user with no need for tight network security,
Just need to be protected from outside intruders. protecting the backup to a
share drive does little to advance that, it is my fault if I leave my
network open to intruders. There is more then enough info out there warning
people to secure their wireless.

Steve

 

[Jill Zoeller [MSFT]]

Understood. I was in a similar situation at home with an XP Home desktop and
laptop. After a couple hours one morning with our Helpdesk I discovered that
I couldn't RAS in to work using either one, due again to the networking and
authentication issues I mentioned earlier. I never bothered to upgrade
either of these to XP Pro (though admittedly the laptop is now running
Ultimate).

I agree that the money is better spent on an external hard disk. If you have
music, video, or picture files that you just want to make a backup copy of,
check out the SyncToy download at
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...54-C975-4814-9649-CCE41AF06EB7&displaylang=en.
It's free and works really well.

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[Steve]

Cool!! thanks, will definatly give it a try.

Understood. I was in a similar situation at home with an XP Home desktop
and laptop. After a couple hours one morning with our Helpdesk I
discovered that I couldn't RAS in to work using either one, due again to
the networking and authentication issues I mentioned earlier. I never
bothered to upgrade either of these to XP Pro (though admittedly the
laptop is now running Ultimate).

I agree that the money is better spent on an external hard disk. If you
have music, video, or picture files that you just want to make a backup
copy of, check out the SyncToy download at
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...54-C975-4814-9649-CCE41AF06EB7&displaylang=en.
It's free and works really well.

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[Guest]

Jill, Hate to disallusion you but ... Our small office has a workgroup of
10. The backups are stored on a PC running XP Professional. I cannot back
up my Vista Home Premium machine to it for the same reason.