I don't think you need anti-virus with Vista

[Alias]

You keep making this assertion, but where is your proof?

I've got proof: my PC has been connected to the Internet continuously
for two years, during which time I've made extensive use of email and
web browsing (I work from home, and do my work on the unprotected PC),
and it has come to no harm whatsoever.

I repeat, have you actually tried it, like I have, or are you simply
repeating the assertions you've been brainwashed into believing?

SteveT

Why don't you mosey around this web site for awhile and then report back:

www.youporn.com

Be sure and click on the links below the videos.

Heh.

Alias

 

[bomb#20]

Trust me, you need Antivirus for Windows Vista, I am running Vista
x64 and I was surprised when I did a scan with Norton AV Corporate
Edition 10.2 it fold several Trojan horses and viruses under
C:/Windows which successfully cleaned and deleted.

< snip >

As a previous poster refuses to name a virus he says he found on 5 th December 2007
pehaps you will tell me the names of the viruses you found with Norton AV Corporate?
I'm assuming there is some sort of log file you could quote from?
I am sure lots of people would like to know the threats out there.
What does Norton say about these dangers?
Perhaps you could post a link so that I can read all about it and make sure I am protected.
Thank you.
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[bomb#20]

Trust me, you need Antivirus for Windows Vista, I am running Vista
x64 and I was surprised when I did a scan with Norton AV Corporate
Edition 10.2 it fold several Trojan horses and viruses under
C:/Windows which successfully cleaned and deleted.

I am always reading on here that Vista stops files being written to system
folders. Isn't C:\Windows classed as a system folder ?
How can several trojan horses and viruses get there ? Why didn't Vista block them ?
This sounds like a very serious bug in Vista to me.
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[Steve Thackery]

Hi Steve. I don't think you'll get very much of a response on that

challenge, so I figured I'd give you a link to try:

Thanks. I'll be using my computer all day, so this evening (UK time) I'll
back up all my work to my (Linux-based) NAS, and then have a play around on
that site.

If my PC gets infected I promise to say so here, complete with gruesome
descriptions!

SteveT

 

[NoStop]

Hmmm.... but that "drive by" attack relies on an unpatched bug in IE6.
IE7
is unaffected, and IE6 was patched ages ago. Vista - which is what we're
talking about - comes with IE7.

What other drive-by attacks do you know of? Tell you what - I've got all
my
data backed up on a NAS, so here's a challenge. Find me a website which
you think will infect my computer, and I will visit it with my unprotected
but
fully patched Vista machine, and we'll see what happens. I give you my
word that I will post the results truthfully.

Remember, I shall be complying with my "rules" (posted in the top
message), of which number 3/ is relevant here: I won't deliberately or
knowingly
download a program file unless its from a reputable site. All other
security settings are at the Vista default, except I've set my account to
an administrator, and made it so UAC prompts don't need my password.

There's the challenge. Go for it.

SteveT

How am I supposed to find a website with a drive-by when I don't run
Windoze? My Linux box won't even notice. Besides, I have better things to
do with my life than play games with you and try and find such a web site.
Just keep surfing the web. Eventually you'll find one yourself. Of course,
if you aren't running an AV that recognizes it, you'll never know.

Cheers.

--
Remove Vista Activation Completely ...
http://tinyurl.com/2w8qqo

Frank - seek help immediately! Visit ...
http://www.binsa.org/

 

[NoStop]

Hi Steve. I don't think you'll get very much of a response on that
challenge, so I figured I'd give you a link to try:

http [colon] [double forward slash] astalavista [dot] box [dot] sk

And no, the "VISTA" in that URL is not a reference to Windows Vista, as
this particular site has been around even before XP. My record for
killing a fresh XP SP2 installation after visiting the above site is
around 11 minutes or so. An original (pre-SP1) XP lasted about 4
minutes.

*--*
*-And I caution all readers of this thread to NOT visit the above site
for anything other than testing purposes and if you have a very recent,
full backup of your system. -*
*--*
*-If you think you're brave enough to go look, do so on a non-critical
computer that you won't mind formatting later on.-*
*--*
*-You have been warned!-*

OK, I'm on that site now. What's supposed to happen? Oops, sorry ... running
Linux. Guess nothing dangerous is going to happen.

Cheers.

--
Remove Vista Activation Completely ...
http://tinyurl.com/2w8qqo

Frank - seek help immediately! Visit ...
http://www.binsa.org/

 

[john]

You keep making this assertion, but where is your proof?

well first of all...

pffft

sorry, I'm gonna have to get back to you after I stop laughing.

 

[Steve Thackery]

How am I supposed to find a website with a drive-by when I don't run

Windoze?

Ah hah! So you spend your time on this group, but don't use Vista!
Furthermore, you decline my challenge.

I think that's one point for me, then.....

SteveT

 

[bomb#20]

Hi Steve. I don't think you'll get very much of a response on that
challenge, so I figured I'd give you a link to try:

http [colon] [double forward slash] astalavista [dot] box [dot] sk

And no, the "VISTA" in that URL is not a reference to Windows Vista,
as this particular site has been around even before XP. My record for
killing a fresh XP SP2 installation after visiting the above site is
around 11 minutes or so. An original (pre-SP1) XP lasted about 4
minutes.

*--*
*-And I caution all readers of this thread to NOT visit the above site
for anything other than testing purposes and if you have a very
recent, full backup of your system. -*
*--*
*-If you think you're brave enough to go look, do so on a non-critical
computer that you won't mind formatting later on.-*
*--*
*-You have been warned!-*

mad:

That address is wrong.
The correct address is astalavista.com/
And no, I didn't get any viruses, just the usual pop-ups.
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[Bill Yanaire]

Why don't you mosey around this web site for awhile and then report back:

www.youporn.com

Probably your favorite site. No wonder why you use Ubuntu!!!!!

 

[MICHAEL]

I use NOD32 as a precaution. I have not had an actual infection
in years on any of my machines.... unless, it was caused by testing.

I am quite surprised that someone with your knowledge, Andre,
would have "several Trojan horses and viruses" on their computer.
That's something I might expect from Hazel, my older neighbor
across the street. Or, from some kid who visits pirate sites.


-Michael

 

[MICHAEL]

Ah hah! So you spend your time on this group, but don't use Vista! Furthermore, you decline
my challenge.

I think that's one point for me, then.....

Minus two points for not running a quality AV program.

Is it possible to secure your machine and go prolonged
periods without an infection? Sure. Is it likely that
you count on staying infection free? No.

Use AV software, please.


-Michael

 

[Steve Thackery]

well first of all...

pffft

sorry, I'm gonna have to get back to you after I stop laughing.

Another one declines my challenge. That's two points to me, so far.

SteveT

 

[bomb#20]

these days all you have to do is receive the email, or
visit a website, or just be connected to the internet.
virus and spyware purveyors are much more clever these days, cleverer
then many "savvy" users.

even being connected without a -good- AV app runing is just asking
for it.

I'll ask you the same question, as the other two refuse to aswer:

If just being connected to the internet gets you infected, then your ' good AV '
has no doubt flagged lots of hits over time.
Can you please post details of the viruses found and the name of your ' good AV '.
You should find lots of details in your antivirus programs log or quarantine folder.
I obviously need to install an antivirus program but as yet no one can tell me which one
catches all these viruses.
Thank you.
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[Steve Thackery]

I'll ask you the same question, as the other two refuse to aswer:

It's interesting, isn't it, that when the chips are down it goes strangely
quiet?

As you say, if there is a significant risk of infection from the Internet,
these guy's should have log files with plenty of entries.

Let's seem 'em guys. And of course we'll have to trust you not to cheat.

SteveT

 

[Alias]

Minus two points for not running a quality AV program.

Is it possible to secure your machine and go prolonged
periods without an infection? Sure. Is it likely that
you count on staying infection free? No.

Use AV software, please.


-Michael

He will, as soon as he finds out he isn't invincible.

Alias

 

[Alias]

Probably your favorite site. No wonder why you use Ubuntu!!!!!

It's one of the advantages of Ubuntu ;-)

Alias

 

[Alias]

I'll ask you the same question, as the other two refuse to aswer:

If just being connected to the internet gets you infected, then your ' good AV '
has no doubt flagged lots of hits over time.
Can you please post details of the viruses found and the name of your ' good AV '.
You should find lots of details in your antivirus programs log or quarantine folder.
I obviously need to install an antivirus program but as yet no one can tell me which one
catches all these viruses.
Thank you.
.

Here's something that ignores and laughs at viruses and malware:

www.ubuntu.com/

You're welcome.

Alias

 

[Bill Yanaire]

Here's something that ignores and laughs at viruses and malware:

www.ubuntu.com/

You're welcome.

Alias

I think you mistyped. You should have said Ubuntu is something that
everyone laughs at and should be ignored.

You're welcome.

Bill

 

[bomb#20]

Maybe your firewall is blocking the .box.sk top-level domain. I just
went there now, and I got in.

But did you try to follow any of the links that it provides? Therein
lies the danger. I clicked on one link after performing a search, and
Norton went nuts!

I just got 'page not available' like it was down or something, plus a warning from Google
about a 'dangerouse site'. I couldn't get any further.
Anyway, I have often used that site and others and have yet to get a virus.
I am not surprised Norton went nuts. I imagine it's like all the other antivirus
programs that flash and sound alarms when they get a text cookie.
They are just trying to justify their existence.
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