I cloned a drive to larger and now larger dr will not boot w/o CD

[Guest]

I took an 40 gig to an 80 w/ EZ Gig II, HDD Clone 3.1.1 and the new HD will
not boot. If I place the XP (upgrade) CD into the CD drive the system boots
fine to the cloned HD. Inside of XP home when looking at manage HD it shows
the cloned HD is fine and is "system" and is healthy

Repair install results in blue screen

Repai console using Fixmbr and ot Fixboot does not give any different
results for the cloned HD.

A clean install of XP home on the drive I use for the clone is OK.

I am baffeled and need some help!

Thanks

 

[Guest]

Well the cloned drive is not fine and healthy,guess youre software wasnt up
to the task......To clone a drive in xp,simply set the new hd as slave to C:
on the same IDE cable.In xp format the hd using diskmgmt.msc (in run),once
its thru formating,go to run,type:XCOPY C:\*.* D:\ /c/h/e/k/r Agree to all
in
the DOS window,once its thru,the drive is cloned.Also,D: being the new hd,
if asigned a diffrent letter then use that letter instead.Also,make sure
you set
the hd jumper pins correctly.

 

[Timothy Daniels]

Check the following:
1) On the clone, "boot.ini" and "ntldr" and "ntdetect.com"
exist just below the root of the file system of the
partition that is expected to boot the system.
2) That partition is marked "active" (seen with Disk
Management).
3) The partition containing the boot files named above is
a Primary partition (not part of an Extended partition.
4) The boot.ini entry for that cloned OS contains "rdisk(0)".
5) The boot.ini entry for that cloned OS contains "partition(y)",
where "y" is the no. of the partition containing the OS.
6) The partition containing the boot files
7) The HD containing the clone is at the head of the BIOS's
HD boot order. The *default* setting for the HD boot order
(assuming PATA HDs) is:
Master, IDE ch. 0,
Slave, IDE ch. 0,
Master, IDE ch. 1,
Slave, IDE ch. 1.
8) The BIOS's boot order (not the *HD* boot order) has been
reset to boot from the HDs before booting from a CD drive.

*TimDaniels*

 

[Anna]

I took an 40 gig to an 80 w/ EZ Gig II, HDD Clone 3.1.1 and the new HD will
not boot. If I place the XP (upgrade) CD into the CD drive the system
boots
fine to the cloned HD. Inside of XP home when looking at manage HD it
shows
the cloned HD is fine and is "system" and is healthy

Repair install results in blue screen

Repai console using Fixmbr and ot Fixboot does not give any different
results for the cloned HD.

A clean install of XP home on the drive I use for the clone is OK.

I am baffeled and need some help!

Thanks

Gary:
It's really not possible to tell at this point what precisely caused your
problem, let alone what the fix is. All we really know is that the cloning
process somehow went awry.

The disk cloning program you're using, as I'm sure you know, is a
proprietary piece of software by Apricorn which is bundled with their
external storage devices. I've never used it myself but I do know of at
least one user who uses it consistently and apparently without any problems.

We'll assume that your source drive, the 40 GB one, is non-defective and
functional in all respects. No problem booting to that drive and using it
without any problems, right?

I assume you've also tried multiple cloning operations, but also without
success. If that is so, it seems to me your best bet at this point is to
contact Apricorn, explain the problem, and see what they have to offer.
Anna

 

[Guest]

I checked and the "boot.ini", Ntldr, Ntdtect.com all reside in the root of C:
(in the cloned drive), Cloned drive is 1 big partition and is active in disk
mgmnt, properties of the drive does have MBR on it.

Here is the Boot.ini :
[boot loader]
timeout=0
default = multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS ="Microsoft Windows XP Home
Edition" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn /TUTag=JTP4II /Kernel=TUKernel.exe
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS ="Microsoft Windows XP Home
Edition (TuneUp Backup)" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn /TUTag=JTP4II-BAK

I did another clean install and XP Home installed fine on the cloned drive.
I used a maintence program and wrote all "0" to the cloned HD
I recloned the HD with the exact same results

I am writing from the cloned drv right now.

As long as the HD finds the "system" on the XP home upgrade CD the cloned HD
runs flawlessly except for booting.

Your help is appriciated!
Gary

 

[Timothy Daniels]

First, your boot.ini file is set up as a dual-boot (with a zero timeout for
selection), and I have never seen or heard of the "/TUTag" boot option.
I suggest you get rid of the 2nd OS entry in the boot.ini file and get rid
of the /TUTag option, if only to keep things simple.

But you still don't say if the the clone HD is at the head of the HD boot
order (it is if it's the only HD in the system) or if the BIOS is set to boot
from a HD ahead of a CD. The latter is the usualy reason for your
current problem.

BTW, standard cloning technique for WinXP/NT/2K is to have the
"parent" OS invisible to the clone when the clone boots up for the
first time. The easiest way to do this is if the clone resides on
another HD is to simply disconnect the data cable from the original
HD when booting the clone for the first time. The clone will
automatically move to the head of the default HD boot order when
the original HD is removed, so no re-jumpering is necessary to boot
the clone. After booting in isolation for the first time, the clone on
subsequent boots may be allowed to see its "parent" OS without
any problems.

If you don't mind the clone having a partition of the same size as the
"parent" OS, you can do the cloning again with the downloadable
free 30-day trial version of Casper XP from
www.FSSdev.com/products/casperxp/ . Casper XP was developed
specifically for the WinXP family of OSes, and it's dedicated to
cloning. The paid version doesn't have the "same size" restriction.

*TimDaniels*

I checked and the "boot.ini", Ntldr, Ntdtect.com all reside in the root of C:
(in the cloned drive), Cloned drive is 1 big partition and is active in disk
mgmnt, properties of the drive does have MBR on it.

Here is the Boot.ini :
[boot loader]
timeout=0
default = multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS ="Microsoft Windows XP Home
Edition" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn /TUTag=JTP4II /Kernel=TUKernel.exe
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS ="Microsoft Windows XP Home
Edition (TuneUp Backup)" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn /TUTag=JTP4II-BAK

I did another clean install and XP Home installed fine on the cloned drive.
I used a maintence program and wrote all "0" to the cloned HD
I recloned the HD with the exact same results

I am writing from the cloned drv right now.

As long as the HD finds the "system" on the XP home upgrade CD the cloned HD
runs flawlessly except for booting.

Your help is appriciated!
Gary

Check the following:
1) On the clone, "boot.ini" and "ntldr" and "ntdetect.com"
exist just below the root of the file system of the
partition that is expected to boot the system.
2) That partition is marked "active" (seen with Disk
Management).
3) The partition containing the boot files named above is
a Primary partition (not part of an Extended partition.
4) The boot.ini entry for that cloned OS contains "rdisk(0)".
5) The boot.ini entry for that cloned OS contains "partition(y)",
where "y" is the no. of the partition containing the OS.
6) The partition containing the boot files
7) The HD containing the clone is at the head of the BIOS's
HD boot order. The *default* setting for the HD boot order
(assuming PATA HDs) is:
Master, IDE ch. 0,
Slave, IDE ch. 0,
Master, IDE ch. 1,
Slave, IDE ch. 1.
8) The BIOS's boot order (not the *HD* boot order) has been
reset to boot from the HDs before booting from a CD drive.

*TimDaniels*

 

[gs]

I guess you have a couple of options to try besides contacting the vendor:
1. full windows repair ( the second repair option not the first one that
gives you the console)
2. get a trial version of Ghost or other util and clone again

BTW, I find sp2 works better for large partition, not sure if that matters
with Xp home on 80 GB boot drive though

I checked and the "boot.ini", Ntldr, Ntdtect.com all reside in the root of
C:
(in the cloned drive), Cloned drive is 1 big partition and is active in
disk
mgmnt, properties of the drive does have MBR on it.

Here is the Boot.ini :
[boot loader]
timeout=0
default = multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS ="Microsoft Windows XP Home
Edition" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn /TUTag=JTP4II /Kernel=TUKernel.exe
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS ="Microsoft Windows XP Home
Edition (TuneUp Backup)" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn /TUTag=JTP4II-BAK

I did another clean install and XP Home installed fine on the cloned
drive.
I used a maintence program and wrote all "0" to the cloned HD
I recloned the HD with the exact same results

I am writing from the cloned drv right now.

As long as the HD finds the "system" on the XP home upgrade CD the cloned
HD
runs flawlessly except for booting.

Your help is appriciated!
Gary

Check the following:
1) On the clone, "boot.ini" and "ntldr" and "ntdetect.com"
exist just below the root of the file system of the
partition that is expected to boot the system.
2) That partition is marked "active" (seen with Disk
Management).
3) The partition containing the boot files named above is
a Primary partition (not part of an Extended partition.
4) The boot.ini entry for that cloned OS contains "rdisk(0)".
5) The boot.ini entry for that cloned OS contains "partition(y)",
where "y" is the no. of the partition containing the OS.
6) The partition containing the boot files
7) The HD containing the clone is at the head of the BIOS's
HD boot order. The *default* setting for the HD boot order
(assuming PATA HDs) is:
Master, IDE ch. 0,
Slave, IDE ch. 0,
Master, IDE ch. 1,
Slave, IDE ch. 1.
8) The BIOS's boot order (not the *HD* boot order) has been
reset to boot from the HDs before booting from a CD drive.

*TimDaniels*