I can't understand Windows Explorer

[Stan Hilliard]

1) In windows explorer I can click [My Network Places] [Entire
Network] [Microsoft Windows Network] [Workgroupname] and see two
computers listed. The third computer that should be there is not.

2) I open another explorer window and click [search]. I enter the name
of the missing third computer. It is found. I double click it's name.
The searched-for computer's name appears in explorer's title/caption.
I go to [My Network Places] [Entire Network] [Microsoft Windows
Network] [Workgroupname]. All three computer's are there.

Q1 Why did all three computers not show up in step (1)?

Q2) Does this imply a problem with the network configuration?

Stan Hilliard

 

[Shenan Stanley]

1) In windows explorer I can click [My Network Places] [Entire
Network] [Microsoft Windows Network] [Workgroupname] and see two
computers listed. The third computer that should be there is not.

2) I open another explorer window and click [search]. I enter the
name of the missing third computer. It is found. I double click
it's name. The searched-for computer's name appears in explorer's
title/caption. I go to [My Network Places] [Entire Network]
[Microsoft Windows Network] [Workgroupname]. All three computer's
are there.

Q1 Why did all three computers not show up in step (1)?

Q2) Does this imply a problem with the network configuration?

1) No idea. Never did like using those tools for networking.
2) No.

WINS?
DNS?
All hardware drivers - especially NIC - updated?

 

[Tim Meddick]

Does this effect repeat itself...or was it a 'one off'?


==


Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.

 

[Stan Hilliard]

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.

1) In windows explorer I can click [My Network Places] [Entire
Network] [Microsoft Windows Network] [Workgroupname] and see two
computers listed. The third computer that should be there is not.

2) I open another explorer window and click [search]. I enter the name
of the missing third computer. It is found. I double click it's name.
The searched-for computer's name appears in explorer's title/caption.
I go to [My Network Places] [Entire Network] [Microsoft Windows
Network] [Workgroupname]. All three computer's are there.

Q1 Why did all three computers not show up in step (1)?

Q2) Does this imply a problem with the network configuration?

Stan Hilliard

Does this effect repeat itself...or was it a 'one off'?

I rebooted the XP-Pro and it still is similar but maybe not exactly.
Here is a refined explanation though.

I click on + in front of [My Network Places] in the left pane. It
lists in the left pane a lot of folders on the network (like it
always did) but does not list [Entire Network] like it used to. No
folders on the third computer are shown.

I click on [search] and enter the name of the missing computer. It
shows up in the right pane. I double click it and the selected icon in
the left pane is at [My Network Places] [Entire Network] [Microsoft
Windows Network] [Workgroupname] [thirdcomputername]. The other two
computers are at the same level under [Workgroupname].

In the left pane of explorer I select [My Computer]. It looks like it
I think it should, like it used to look before I had to use [search].

MORE:
I have made a number of changes in the past few days trying to fix
things. To the extent that I can unfog my confused mind:

1) From the "third" computer (Win98SE) I tried to connect to the
XP-Pro SP2 computer with Acronis Management Console. This failed.

2) I noticed that the XP machine had UPnP turned off so I turned it
back on.

3) I noticed a message/link on the XP computer's Security Center that
I shouldn't have two firewalls going. I had Windows firewall plus
Sygate Personal Firewall. (I have been running the two firewalls since
2006 and have never noticed that message.)

4) I could not access Sygate from the quicklaunch bar like I used to,
so I uninstalled it.

5) I downloaded Lavasoft Firewall and installed it, having first
turned off Windows firewall.

6) I have also noticed that the XP-Pro's quicklaunch bar contains
fewer buttons than traditionally. One missing icon is the
speaker-volume.

7) I just re-booted the XP-Pro, this time after a complete shutdown.
It has all the quicklaunch icons and Explorer has [My Network Places]
[Entire Network] [Microsoft Windows Network] [Workgroupname]. But
following that it contains only two of the three computers, leaving
out the same Win98SE as before.

Stan Hilliard

 

[Stan Hilliard]

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.

1) In windows explorer I can click [My Network Places] [Entire
Network] [Microsoft Windows Network] [Workgroupname] and see two
computers listed. The third computer that should be there is not.

2) I open another explorer window and click [search]. I enter the name
of the missing third computer. It is found. I double click it's name.
The searched-for computer's name appears in explorer's title/caption.
I go to [My Network Places] [Entire Network] [Microsoft Windows
Network] [Workgroupname]. All three computer's are there.

Q1 Why did all three computers not show up in step (1)?

Q2) Does this imply a problem with the network configuration?

Stan Hilliard

Does this effect repeat itself...or was it a 'one off'?

I rebooted the XP-Pro and it still is similar but maybe not exactly.
Here is a refined explanation though.

I click on + in front of [My Network Places] in the left pane. It
lists in the left pane a lot of folders on the network (like it
always did) but does not list [Entire Network] like it used to. No
folders on the third computer are shown.

I click on [search] and enter the name of the missing computer. It
shows up in the right pane. I double click it and the selected icon in
the left pane is at [My Network Places] [Entire Network] [Microsoft
Windows Network] [Workgroupname] [thirdcomputername]. The other two
computers are at the same level under [Workgroupname].

In the left pane of explorer I select [My Computer]. It looks like it
I think it should, like it used to look before I had to use [search].

MORE:
I have made a number of changes in the past few days trying to fix
things. To the extent that I can unfog my confused mind:

1) From the "third" computer (Win98SE) I tried to connect to the
XP-Pro SP2 computer with Acronis Management Console. This failed.

2) I noticed that the XP machine had UPnP turned off so I turned it
back on.

3) I noticed a message/link on the XP computer's Security Center that
I shouldn't have two firewalls going. I had Windows firewall plus
Sygate Personal Firewall. (I have been running the two firewalls since
2006 and have never noticed that message.)

4) I could not access Sygate from the quicklaunch bar like I used to,
so I uninstalled it.

5) I downloaded Lavasoft Firewall and installed it, having first
turned off Windows firewall.

6) I have also noticed that the XP-Pro's quicklaunch bar contains
fewer buttons than traditionally. One missing icon is the
speaker-volume.

7) I just re-booted the XP-Pro, this time after a complete shutdown.
It has all the quicklaunch icons and Explorer has [My Network Places]
[Entire Network] [Microsoft Windows Network] [Workgroupname]. But
following that it contains only two of the three computers, leaving
out the same Win98SE as before.

Stan Hilliard

It looks like the main problem is with the third computer (Win98SE).
From it, I cannot see the other two from Explorer. When I select
[Network Neighborhood] [Entire Network] I get the message:

Unable to browse the network.
The network is not accessible.
For more information, look in the Help index at the topic "Network
Troubleshooter".

That help topic is blank on that PC.

Stan Hilliard

 

[Tim Meddick]

Some basic considerations: Is 'File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft
Networks' installed on the Win98 machine for the 'Local Area Connection'
that the XP machine is trying to connect to. Also 'Client for Microsoft
Networks' must be installed.


==


Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.

 

[Stan Hilliard]

1) In windows explorer I can click [My Network Places] [Entire
Network] [Microsoft Windows Network] [Workgroupname] and see two
computers listed. The third computer that should be there is not.

2) I open another explorer window and click [search]. I enter the name
of the missing third computer. It is found. I double click it's name.
The searched-for computer's name appears in explorer's title/caption.
I go to [My Network Places] [Entire Network] [Microsoft Windows
Network] [Workgroupname]. All three computer's are there.

Q1 Why did all three computers not show up in step (1)?

Q2) Does this imply a problem with the network configuration?
Stan Hilliard

Some basic considerations: Is 'File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft
Networks' installed on the Win98 machine for the 'Local Area Connection'
that the XP machine is trying to connect to. Also 'Client for Microsoft
Networks' must be installed.
Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.

Client for Microsoft Networks is installed on the W98 machine.

'File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks' installed on the
Win98 machine. I don't understand its two properties though:

"Browse Master" is disabled.
"LM Announce" is NO.

Stan Hilliard

 

[John John - MVP]

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.

1) In windows explorer I can click [My Network Places] [Entire
Network] [Microsoft Windows Network] [Workgroupname] and see two
computers listed. The third computer that should be there is not.

2) I open another explorer window and click [search]. I enter the name
of the missing third computer. It is found. I double click it's name.
The searched-for computer's name appears in explorer's title/caption.
I go to [My Network Places] [Entire Network] [Microsoft Windows
Network] [Workgroupname]. All three computer's are there.

Q1 Why did all three computers not show up in step (1)?

Q2) Does this imply a problem with the network configuration?

Stan Hilliard

Does this effect repeat itself...or was it a 'one off'?

I rebooted the XP-Pro and it still is similar but maybe not exactly.
Here is a refined explanation though.

I click on + in front of [My Network Places] in the left pane. It
lists in the left pane a lot of folders on the network (like it
always did) but does not list [Entire Network] like it used to. No
folders on the third computer are shown.

I click on [search] and enter the name of the missing computer. It
shows up in the right pane. I double click it and the selected icon in
the left pane is at [My Network Places] [Entire Network] [Microsoft
Windows Network] [Workgroupname] [thirdcomputername]. The other two
computers are at the same level under [Workgroupname].

In the left pane of explorer I select [My Computer]. It looks like it
I think it should, like it used to look before I had to use [search].

MORE:
I have made a number of changes in the past few days trying to fix
things. To the extent that I can unfog my confused mind:

1) From the "third" computer (Win98SE) I tried to connect to the
XP-Pro SP2 computer with Acronis Management Console. This failed.

2) I noticed that the XP machine had UPnP turned off so I turned it
back on.

3) I noticed a message/link on the XP computer's Security Center that
I shouldn't have two firewalls going. I had Windows firewall plus
Sygate Personal Firewall. (I have been running the two firewalls since
2006 and have never noticed that message.)

That is a bad practice, you should only use one firewall. One firwall
can cause problems enough let alone two. Pick the one you want and turn
the other one off. When you troubleshoot network proplems one of the
first thing to do is to *completely* disable the firwall when you do
your tests and troubleshooting, if need be disconnect from the internet
when you do your tests. There is usually not much sense digging too
deep until you positively eliminate the firewall as a possible cause.

4) I could not access Sygate from the quicklaunch bar like I used to,
so I uninstalled it.

5) I downloaded Lavasoft Firewall and installed it, having first
turned off Windows firewall.

6) I have also noticed that the XP-Pro's quicklaunch bar contains
fewer buttons than traditionally. One missing icon is the
speaker-volume.

7) I just re-booted the XP-Pro, this time after a complete shutdown.
It has all the quicklaunch icons and Explorer has [My Network Places]
[Entire Network] [Microsoft Windows Network] [Workgroupname]. But
following that it contains only two of the three computers, leaving
out the same Win98SE as before.

Make sure that the Windows 98 computer is not configured to be a Master
Browser.

John

 

[Stan Hilliard]

1) In windows explorer I can click [My Network Places] [Entire
Network] [Microsoft Windows Network] [Workgroupname] and see two
computers listed. The third computer that should be there is not.

2) I open another explorer window and click [search]. I enter the name
of the missing third computer. It is found. I double click it's name.
The searched-for computer's name appears in explorer's title/caption.
I go to [My Network Places] [Entire Network] [Microsoft Windows
Network] [Workgroupname]. All three computer's are there.

Q1 Why did all three computers not show up in step (1)?

Q2) Does this imply a problem with the network configuration?
Stan Hilliard

Some basic considerations: Is 'File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft
Networks' installed on the Win98 machine for the 'Local Area Connection'
that the XP machine is trying to connect to. Also 'Client for Microsoft
Networks' must be installed.
Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.

Client for Microsoft Networks is installed on the W98 machine.

'File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks' installed on the
Win98 machine. I don't understand its two properties though:

"Browse Master" is disabled.
"LM Announce" is NO.

Stan Hilliard

I was gone for three days, so I shut down everything including the
cable modem and router. I started up everything again and each
computer's Explorer could see the other two computers as it should.

I had previously rebooted each computer so that doesn't explain what
happened. It must have been the restarting of the cable modem and
router that fixed it.

One additional anomaly. On the XP-Pro computer in Explorer's left pane
with the selection highlight on the Win98SE computer, the right pane
showed http://www.msn.com. I don't think I have ever linked to msn
before.

When I clicked on another computer in the left pane and back again to
the Win98SE computer, the right pane showed the folders that it should
show. Does anyone have an explanation for this?

Stan Hilliard

 

[Tim Meddick]

Stan,
I have to admit, I don't know too much about networking. At work,
we have four computers in one room and six in the other. If all the
computers are shut down and the router is left on then, four out of ten
times, when you switch on one of the computers in either room, it no longer
shows any connection. It's as though the router is 'locked up' or
something. Switching the computer back off (on the computers I don't have
admin rights to) and then turning the ROUTER off and back on again sorts it
out (I then open a CMD prompt and type:: ipconfig /renew on the ones I do
have admin rights to so I don't have to turn those machines off and on).
This may be what happened on your system.

==


Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.

1) In windows explorer I can click [My Network Places] [Entire
Network] [Microsoft Windows Network] [Workgroupname] and see two
computers listed. The third computer that should be there is not.

2) I open another explorer window and click [search]. I enter the name
of the missing third computer. It is found. I double click it's name.
The searched-for computer's name appears in explorer's title/caption.
I go to [My Network Places] [Entire Network] [Microsoft Windows
Network] [Workgroupname]. All three computer's are there.

Q1 Why did all three computers not show up in step (1)?

Q2) Does this imply a problem with the network configuration?
Stan Hilliard

Some basic considerations: Is 'File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft
Networks' installed on the Win98 machine for the 'Local Area Connection'
that the XP machine is trying to connect to. Also 'Client for Microsoft
Networks' must be installed.
Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.

Client for Microsoft Networks is installed on the W98 machine.

'File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks' installed on the
Win98 machine. I don't understand its two properties though:

"Browse Master" is disabled.
"LM Announce" is NO.

Stan Hilliard

I was gone for three days, so I shut down everything including the
cable modem and router. I started up everything again and each
computer's Explorer could see the other two computers as it should.

I had previously rebooted each computer so that doesn't explain what
happened. It must have been the restarting of the cable modem and
router that fixed it.

One additional anomaly. On the XP-Pro computer in Explorer's left pane
with the selection highlight on the Win98SE computer, the right pane
showed http://www.msn.com. I don't think I have ever linked to msn
before.

When I clicked on another computer in the left pane and back again to
the Win98SE computer, the right pane showed the folders that it should
show. Does anyone have an explanation for this?

Stan Hilliard

 

[John John - MVP]

If *all* the machines are turned off and if you start only *one* of them
I wouldn't really expect the sole machine to see all the machines that
are turned off. I think that being able to see machines that are shut
down would depend on whether or not the machines have been assigned
static addresses or on their lease duration from the router. I wouldn't
expect routers to keep machines with expired leases on their list.

As for your having to do a dance around the office and shutdown
machines, reboot the router, release/renew ip leases that is probably
all due to the quirky NetBIOS. If you know the actual IP address of
another one of the started machines you should be able to reach it by
its address. Windows Explorer and My Network places relies on NetBios
and not being able to see machines would probably have more to do with
whether or not any of the started machines have the Browser service
running and whether or not any of them are able to assume the Master
Browser duties. The way in which the Browsers and machines poll on the
network could cause machines to not show up on the browse list for
upwards of about 45 minutes. It isn't unusual to have some machines not
show up for about 15 minutes, when the machine starts it will announce
its presence for a few minutes and if it gets no reply from a Master
Browser it will stop broacasting for 12 minutes then start a new
announcement round after the wait period.

John

Stan,
I have to admit, I don't know too much about networking. At work,
we have four computers in one room and six in the other. If all the
computers are shut down and the router is left on then, four out of ten
times, when you switch on one of the computers in either room, it no longer
shows any connection. It's as though the router is 'locked up' or
something. Switching the computer back off (on the computers I don't have
admin rights to) and then turning the ROUTER off and back on again sorts it
out (I then open a CMD prompt and type:: ipconfig /renew on the ones I do
have admin rights to so I don't have to turn those machines off and on).
This may be what happened on your system.

==


Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.

1) In windows explorer I can click [My Network Places] [Entire
Network] [Microsoft Windows Network] [Workgroupname] and see two
computers listed. The third computer that should be there is not.

2) I open another explorer window and click [search]. I enter the name
of the missing third computer. It is found. I double click it's name.
The searched-for computer's name appears in explorer's title/caption.
I go to [My Network Places] [Entire Network] [Microsoft Windows
Network] [Workgroupname]. All three computer's are there.

Q1 Why did all three computers not show up in step (1)?

Q2) Does this imply a problem with the network configuration?
Stan Hilliard

Some basic considerations: Is 'File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft
Networks' installed on the Win98 machine for the 'Local Area Connection'
that the XP machine is trying to connect to. Also 'Client for Microsoft
Networks' must be installed.
Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.
Client for Microsoft Networks is installed on the W98 machine.

'File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks' installed on the
Win98 machine. I don't understand its two properties though:

"Browse Master" is disabled.
"LM Announce" is NO.

Stan Hilliard

I was gone for three days, so I shut down everything including the
cable modem and router. I started up everything again and each
computer's Explorer could see the other two computers as it should.

I had previously rebooted each computer so that doesn't explain what
happened. It must have been the restarting of the cable modem and
router that fixed it.

One additional anomaly. On the XP-Pro computer in Explorer's left pane
with the selection highlight on the Win98SE computer, the right pane
showed http://www.msn.com. I don't think I have ever linked to msn
before.

When I clicked on another computer in the left pane and back again to
the Win98SE computer, the right pane showed the folders that it should
show. Does anyone have an explanation for this?

Stan Hilliard

 

[Tim Meddick]

No, I wasn't referring to the computers that were local to it, I was talking
about another router that connects us to the rest of the network, this just
'freezes' when it should not - and the remedy is to turn it off and back on
again. I was just trying to say that, in my experience, routers 'lock' up
and why not see if it was that! I wouldn't expect to see offline computers
to be left 'visible' in 'Network Places' either.


==


Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.

If *all* the machines are turned off and if you start only *one* of them I
wouldn't really expect the sole machine to see all the machines that are
turned off. I think that being able to see machines that are shut down
would depend on whether or not the machines have been assigned static
addresses or on their lease duration from the router. I wouldn't expect
routers to keep machines with expired leases on their list.

As for your having to do a dance around the office and shutdown machines,
reboot the router, release/renew ip leases that is probably all due to the
quirky NetBIOS. If you know the actual IP address of another one of the
started machines you should be able to reach it by its address. Windows
Explorer and My Network places relies on NetBios and not being able to see
machines would probably have more to do with whether or not any of the
started machines have the Browser service running and whether or not any
of them are able to assume the Master Browser duties. The way in which
the Browsers and machines poll on the network could cause machines to not
show up on the browse list for upwards of about 45 minutes. It isn't
unusual to have some machines not show up for about 15 minutes, when the
machine starts it will announce its presence for a few minutes and if it
gets no reply from a Master Browser it will stop broacasting for 12
minutes then start a new announcement round after the wait period.

John

Stan,
I have to admit, I don't know too much about networking. At
work, we have four computers in one room and six in the other. If all
the computers are shut down and the router is left on then, four out of
ten times, when you switch on one of the computers in either room, it no
longer shows any connection. It's as though the router is 'locked up' or
something. Switching the computer back off (on the computers I don't
have admin rights to) and then turning the ROUTER off and back on again
sorts it out (I then open a CMD prompt and type:: ipconfig /renew on
the ones I do have admin rights to so I don't have to turn those machines
off and on). This may be what happened on your system.

==


Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.

On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 06:27:40 -0500, Stan Hilliard

message
1) In windows explorer I can click [My Network Places] [Entire
Network] [Microsoft Windows Network] [Workgroupname] and see two
computers listed. The third computer that should be there is not.

2) I open another explorer window and click [search]. I enter the
name
of the missing third computer. It is found. I double click it's name.
The searched-for computer's name appears in explorer's title/caption.
I go to [My Network Places] [Entire Network] [Microsoft Windows
Network] [Workgroupname]. All three computer's are there.

Q1 Why did all three computers not show up in step (1)?

Q2) Does this imply a problem with the network configuration?
Stan Hilliard

Some basic considerations: Is 'File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft
Networks' installed on the Win98 machine for the 'Local Area
Connection'
that the XP machine is trying to connect to. Also 'Client for
Microsoft
Networks' must be installed.
Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.
Client for Microsoft Networks is installed on the W98 machine.

'File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks' installed on the
Win98 machine. I don't understand its two properties though:

"Browse Master" is disabled.
"LM Announce" is NO.

Stan Hilliard
I was gone for three days, so I shut down everything including the
cable modem and router. I started up everything again and each
computer's Explorer could see the other two computers as it should.

I had previously rebooted each computer so that doesn't explain what
happened. It must have been the restarting of the cable modem and
router that fixed it.

One additional anomaly. On the XP-Pro computer in Explorer's left pane
with the selection highlight on the Win98SE computer, the right pane
showed http://www.msn.com. I don't think I have ever linked to msn
before.

When I clicked on another computer in the left pane and back again to
the Win98SE computer, the right pane showed the folders that it should
show. Does anyone have an explanation for this?

Stan Hilliard

 

[Twayne]

No, I wasn't referring to the computers that were local to it, I was
talking about another router that connects us to the rest of the
network, this just 'freezes' when it should not - and the remedy is
to turn it off and back on again. I was just trying to say that, in
my experience, routers 'lock' up and why not see if it was that! I
wouldn't expect to see offline computers to be left 'visible' in
'Network Places' either.

Assuming XP of course: I must be misunderstanding you: Network Places
shows all the network connections the machine has been set up for, all
the time. But clicking on one of them will get you nothing but a very
long pause. I've often wished it didn't, or at least indicated whether
they were active or not.
Or do you mean something else?

Regards,

Twayne

If *all* the machines are turned off and if you start only *one* of
them I wouldn't really expect the sole machine to see all the
machines that are turned off. I think that being able to see
machines that are shut down would depend on whether or not the
machines have been assigned static addresses or on their lease
duration from the router. I wouldn't expect routers to keep
machines with expired leases on their list. As for your having to do
a dance around the office and shutdown
machines, reboot the router, release/renew ip leases that is
probably all due to the quirky NetBIOS. If you know the actual IP
address of another one of the started machines you should be able to
reach it by its address. Windows Explorer and My Network places
relies on NetBios and not being able to see machines would probably
have more to do with whether or not any of the started machines have
the Browser service running and whether or not any of them are able
to assume the Master Browser duties. The way in which the Browsers
and machines poll on the network could cause machines to not show up
on the browse list for upwards of about 45 minutes. It isn't
unusual to have some machines not show up for about 15 minutes, when
the machine starts it will announce its presence for a few minutes
and if it gets no reply from a Master Browser it will stop
broacasting for 12 minutes then start a new announcement round after
the wait period. John

Stan,
I have to admit, I don't know too much about networking. At
work, we have four computers in one room and six in the other. If
all the computers are shut down and the router is left on then,
four out of ten times, when you switch on one of the computers in
either room, it no longer shows any connection. It's as though the
router is 'locked up' or something. Switching the computer back
off (on the computers I don't have admin rights to) and then
turning the ROUTER off and back on again sorts it out (I then open
a CMD prompt and type:: ipconfig /renew on the ones I do have
admin rights to so I don't have to turn those machines off and on).
This may be what happened on your system. ==


Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.


message On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 06:27:40 -0500, Stan Hilliard

message
1) In windows explorer I can click [My Network Places] [Entire
Network] [Microsoft Windows Network] [Workgroupname] and see two
computers listed. The third computer that should be there is
not. 2) I open another explorer window and click [search]. I
enter
the name
of the missing third computer. It is found. I double click it's
name. The searched-for computer's name appears in explorer's
title/caption. I go to [My Network Places] [Entire Network]
[Microsoft Windows Network] [Workgroupname]. All three
computer's are there. Q1 Why did all three computers not show up
in step (1)?

Q2) Does this imply a problem with the network configuration?
Stan Hilliard

Some basic considerations: Is 'File and Printer Sharing for
Microsoft Networks' installed on the Win98 machine for the
'Local Area Connection'
that the XP machine is trying to connect to. Also 'Client for
Microsoft
Networks' must be installed.
Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.
Client for Microsoft Networks is installed on the W98 machine.

'File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks' installed on the
Win98 machine. I don't understand its two properties though:

"Browse Master" is disabled.
"LM Announce" is NO.

Stan Hilliard
I was gone for three days, so I shut down everything including the
cable modem and router. I started up everything again and each
computer's Explorer could see the other two computers as it should.

I had previously rebooted each computer so that doesn't explain
what happened. It must have been the restarting of the cable modem
and router that fixed it.

One additional anomaly. On the XP-Pro computer in Explorer's left
pane with the selection highlight on the Win98SE computer, the
right pane showed http://www.msn.com. I don't think I have ever
linked to msn before.

When I clicked on another computer in the left pane and back again
to the Win98SE computer, the right pane showed the folders that it
should show. Does anyone have an explanation for this?

Stan Hilliard

 

[John John - MVP]

Then buy better routers! My routers don't 'lock' up, I have remote
sites on gateway to gateway entry level business routers and I don't
hardly ever have to reboot them, I wouldn't put up with that for too long!

John

No, I wasn't referring to the computers that were local to it, I was talking
about another router that connects us to the rest of the network, this just
'freezes' when it should not - and the remedy is to turn it off and back on
again. I was just trying to say that, in my experience, routers 'lock' up
and why not see if it was that! I wouldn't expect to see offline computers
to be left 'visible' in 'Network Places' either.


==


Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.

If *all* the machines are turned off and if you start only *one* of them I
wouldn't really expect the sole machine to see all the machines that are
turned off. I think that being able to see machines that are shut down
would depend on whether or not the machines have been assigned static
addresses or on their lease duration from the router. I wouldn't expect
routers to keep machines with expired leases on their list.

As for your having to do a dance around the office and shutdown machines,
reboot the router, release/renew ip leases that is probably all due to the
quirky NetBIOS. If you know the actual IP address of another one of the
started machines you should be able to reach it by its address. Windows
Explorer and My Network places relies on NetBios and not being able to see
machines would probably have more to do with whether or not any of the
started machines have the Browser service running and whether or not any
of them are able to assume the Master Browser duties. The way in which
the Browsers and machines poll on the network could cause machines to not
show up on the browse list for upwards of about 45 minutes. It isn't
unusual to have some machines not show up for about 15 minutes, when the
machine starts it will announce its presence for a few minutes and if it
gets no reply from a Master Browser it will stop broacasting for 12
minutes then start a new announcement round after the wait period.

John

Stan,
I have to admit, I don't know too much about networking. At
work, we have four computers in one room and six in the other. If all
the computers are shut down and the router is left on then, four out of
ten times, when you switch on one of the computers in either room, it no
longer shows any connection. It's as though the router is 'locked up' or
something. Switching the computer back off (on the computers I don't
have admin rights to) and then turning the ROUTER off and back on again
sorts it out (I then open a CMD prompt and type:: ipconfig /renew on
the ones I do have admin rights to so I don't have to turn those machines
off and on). This may be what happened on your system.

==


Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.


On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 06:27:40 -0500, Stan Hilliard

message
1) In windows explorer I can click [My Network Places] [Entire
Network] [Microsoft Windows Network] [Workgroupname] and see two
computers listed. The third computer that should be there is not.

2) I open another explorer window and click [search]. I enter the
name
of the missing third computer. It is found. I double click it's name.
The searched-for computer's name appears in explorer's title/caption.
I go to [My Network Places] [Entire Network] [Microsoft Windows
Network] [Workgroupname]. All three computer's are there.

Q1 Why did all three computers not show up in step (1)?

Q2) Does this imply a problem with the network configuration?
Stan Hilliard
Some basic considerations: Is 'File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft
Networks' installed on the Win98 machine for the 'Local Area
Connection'
that the XP machine is trying to connect to. Also 'Client for
Microsoft
Networks' must be installed.
Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.
Client for Microsoft Networks is installed on the W98 machine.

'File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks' installed on the
Win98 machine. I don't understand its two properties though:

"Browse Master" is disabled.
"LM Announce" is NO.

Stan Hilliard
I was gone for three days, so I shut down everything including the
cable modem and router. I started up everything again and each
computer's Explorer could see the other two computers as it should.

I had previously rebooted each computer so that doesn't explain what
happened. It must have been the restarting of the cable modem and
router that fixed it.

One additional anomaly. On the XP-Pro computer in Explorer's left pane
with the selection highlight on the Win98SE computer, the right pane
showed http://www.msn.com. I don't think I have ever linked to msn
before.

When I clicked on another computer in the left pane and back again to
the Win98SE computer, the right pane showed the folders that it should
show. Does anyone have an explanation for this?

Stan Hilliard

 

[Tim Meddick]

I'm not responsible for purchasing routers, you have to work with what
you're given.


==


Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.

Then buy better routers! My routers don't 'lock' up, I have remote sites
on gateway to gateway entry level business routers and I don't hardly ever
have to reboot them, I wouldn't put up with that for too long!

John

No, I wasn't referring to the computers that were local to it, I was
talking about another router that connects us to the rest of the network,
this just 'freezes' when it should not - and the remedy is to turn it off
and back on again. I was just trying to say that, in my experience,
routers 'lock' up and why not see if it was that! I wouldn't expect to
see offline computers to be left 'visible' in 'Network Places' either.


==


Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.

If *all* the machines are turned off and if you start only *one* of them
I wouldn't really expect the sole machine to see all the machines that
are turned off. I think that being able to see machines that are shut
down would depend on whether or not the machines have been assigned
static addresses or on their lease duration from the router. I wouldn't
expect routers to keep machines with expired leases on their list.

As for your having to do a dance around the office and shutdown
machines, reboot the router, release/renew ip leases that is probably
all due to the quirky NetBIOS. If you know the actual IP address of
another one of the started machines you should be able to reach it by
its address. Windows Explorer and My Network places relies on NetBios
and not being able to see machines would probably have more to do with
whether or not any of the started machines have the Browser service
running and whether or not any of them are able to assume the Master
Browser duties. The way in which the Browsers and machines poll on the
network could cause machines to not show up on the browse list for
upwards of about 45 minutes. It isn't unusual to have some machines not
show up for about 15 minutes, when the machine starts it will announce
its presence for a few minutes and if it gets no reply from a Master
Browser it will stop broacasting for 12 minutes then start a new
announcement round after the wait period.

John

Tim Meddick wrote:
Stan,
I have to admit, I don't know too much about networking. At
work, we have four computers in one room and six in the other. If all
the computers are shut down and the router is left on then, four out of
ten times, when you switch on one of the computers in either room, it
no longer shows any connection. It's as though the router is 'locked
up' or something. Switching the computer back off (on the computers I
don't have admin rights to) and then turning the ROUTER off and back on
again sorts it out (I then open a CMD prompt and type:: ipconfig
/renew on the ones I do have admin rights to so I don't have to turn
those machines off and on). This may be what happened on your system.

==


Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.


message On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 06:27:40 -0500, Stan Hilliard

message
1) In windows explorer I can click [My Network Places] [Entire
Network] [Microsoft Windows Network] [Workgroupname] and see two
computers listed. The third computer that should be there is not.

2) I open another explorer window and click [search]. I enter the
name
of the missing third computer. It is found. I double click it's
name.
The searched-for computer's name appears in explorer's
title/caption.
I go to [My Network Places] [Entire Network] [Microsoft Windows
Network] [Workgroupname]. All three computer's are there.

Q1 Why did all three computers not show up in step (1)?

Q2) Does this imply a problem with the network configuration?
Stan Hilliard
Some basic considerations: Is 'File and Printer Sharing for
Microsoft
Networks' installed on the Win98 machine for the 'Local Area
Connection'
that the XP machine is trying to connect to. Also 'Client for
Microsoft
Networks' must be installed.
Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.
Client for Microsoft Networks is installed on the W98 machine.

'File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks' installed on the
Win98 machine. I don't understand its two properties though:

"Browse Master" is disabled.
"LM Announce" is NO.

Stan Hilliard
I was gone for three days, so I shut down everything including the
cable modem and router. I started up everything again and each
computer's Explorer could see the other two computers as it should.

I had previously rebooted each computer so that doesn't explain what
happened. It must have been the restarting of the cable modem and
router that fixed it.

One additional anomaly. On the XP-Pro computer in Explorer's left pane
with the selection highlight on the Win98SE computer, the right pane
showed http://www.msn.com. I don't think I have ever linked to msn
before.

When I clicked on another computer in the left pane and back again to
the Win98SE computer, the right pane showed the folders that it should
show. Does anyone have an explanation for this?

Stan Hilliard