I can't go back to XP

[Beck]

Vista will not change my life dramatically. Its still like XP under the
hood just things rearranged and tweaked/improved/made worse, whatever.

Its a great OS but there is not much that stands out that makes me must have
Vista. Of course I will upgrade anyway as I always want to have the latest
software.

However there is one thing that will definitely for sure keep me with
Vista - Windows Mail. Now it may not be a wonderful looking program and
just looks and feels like a slightly skinned outlook express, but the spam
protection in it is second to none I have ever tried (not inc specific spam
block programs). After accidentally using my email address in a newsgroup
once, I now have a spam problem, but windows mail catches the vast majority
of my spam but more importantly, I do not have any false positives with it.
I simply cannot go back to what I was using before.

I know MS have a new spam system that they have been working on for a few
years and it certainly does the trick and works very well indeed. For that,
I have to thank them.

 

[Alias]

Vista will not change my life dramatically. Its still like XP under the
hood just things rearranged and tweaked/improved/made worse, whatever.

Its a great OS but there is not much that stands out that makes me must
have Vista. Of course I will upgrade anyway as I always want to have
the latest software.

However there is one thing that will definitely for sure keep me with
Vista - Windows Mail. Now it may not be a wonderful looking program and
just looks and feels like a slightly skinned outlook express, but the
spam protection in it is second to none I have ever tried (not inc
specific spam block programs). After accidentally using my email
address in a newsgroup once, I now have a spam problem, but windows mail
catches the vast majority of my spam but more importantly, I do not have
any false positives with it. I simply cannot go back to what I was using
before.

I know MS have a new spam system that they have been working on for a
few years and it certainly does the trick and works very well indeed.
For that, I have to thank them.

Thunderbird has had a built-in spam program for years and works
wonderfully. Even better, you don't need to spend $400 to get it as it
is free and can be used on both Windows and Linux.

So, if the only reason you're going to spend your hard earned money on
Vista is Windows Mail, you need to rethink it and try Thunderbird.

Alias

 

[Mark Rae]

Thunderbird has had a built-in spam program for years and works
wonderfully. Even better, you don't need to spend $400 to get it as it is
free and can be used on both Windows and Linux.

And MacOSX: http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/thunderbird/all.html

 

[Beck]

Thunderbird has had a built-in spam program for years and works
wonderfully. Even better, you don't need to spend $400 to get it as it is
free and can be used on both Windows and Linux.

So, if the only reason you're going to spend your hard earned money on
Vista is Windows Mail, you need to rethink it and try Thunderbird.

I have tried Thunderbird a number of times and do not like it. The spam
protection I have found is very difficult to train and has a lot of false
positives. After 4 weeks of training it still was not remembering which was
spam and which was not.
I will of course try Thunderbird 2 when it is released and see if there are
any improvements but for now I am very happy with windows mail and it has so
far required very little training to recognise my spam.

 

[Alias]

I have tried Thunderbird a number of times and do not like it. The spam
protection I have found is very difficult to train and has a lot of
false positives. After 4 weeks of training it still was not remembering
which was spam and which was not.
I will of course try Thunderbird 2 when it is released and see if there
are any improvements but for now I am very happy with windows mail and
it has so far required very little training to recognise my spam.

That's strange, I find it to be very effective. You've tried version
1.5.0.9?

Alias

 

[John Barnes]

Have you tried Windows Live Mail?

I have tried Thunderbird a number of times and do not like it. The spam
protection I have found is very difficult to train and has a lot of false
positives. After 4 weeks of training it still was not remembering which
was spam and which was not.
I will of course try Thunderbird 2 when it is released and see if there
are any improvements but for now I am very happy with windows mail and it
has so far required very little training to recognise my spam.

 

[arkwright]

I find the anti-spam feature of Thunderbird very effective.

The important thing to remember is that in order to train the filter,
it's more important to tell it what *isn't* spam rather than what is.

Mark

 

[Alexander Suhovey]

I know MS have a new spam system that they have been working on for a few
years and it certainly does the trick and works very well indeed. For
that, I have to thank them.

I'll second that. However, I found Google Mail's spam protection even more
effective. As far as I can remember there was just A COUPLE of SPAM messages
that made it to Inbox and I was using GMail for quite some time.

 

[Beck]

That's strange, I find it to be very effective. You've tried version
1.5.0.9?

Have tried both 1.5 release and the new Thunderbird 2 betas.

 

[Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]]

Or do you mean Live Mail Desktop John? It sounds like he wants an off line
mail client.

 

[Alias]

Have tried both 1.5 release and the new Thunderbird 2 betas.

Use whatever turns you on then.

Alias

 

[Kevin Spencer]

I can certainly understand your enthusiasm for what you've seen in Vista so
far, but don't make the mistake of thinking it will not change your life
dramatically. There is much more to this operating system than meets the
eye, and after studying it for several weeks now as a developer, I can only
say that I have become aware that there is so much more to it that even at
the rate of study I am maintaining currently, it will be months or years
before I have seen all there is to see.

It only *looks* like a tweaked/improved XP. However, certain core components
of it have been completely rebuilt, and nicely so. Keep looking. I believe
the more you look, the more you will find.

--
HTH,

Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
Bit Player
http://unclechutney.blogspot.com

Where there's a Will, there's a William.

 

[Beck]

I can certainly understand your enthusiasm for what you've seen in Vista so
far, but don't make the mistake of thinking it will not change your life
dramatically. There is much more to this operating system than meets the
eye, and after studying it for several weeks now as a developer, I can only
say that I have become aware that there is so much more to it that even at
the rate of study I am maintaining currently, it will be months or years
before I have seen all there is to see.

It only *looks* like a tweaked/improved XP. However, certain core
components of it have been completely rebuilt, and nicely so. Keep
looking. I believe the more you look, the more you will find.

Oh don't get me wrong, I really love Vista. However for what I use my
laptop for, I will probably never use the deeper features.
I am still pissed off about not having a graphical defrag though