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Dick Kistler
So it begins. I thought that SP2 was completely free of bugs or security
holes. Silly me.
Dick Kistler
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jeff4379
There will always be security holes in any product...this is not unique to
Microsoft.
SP2 plugs MANY more security holes than it creates.
Jeff
Microsoft.
SP2 plugs MANY more security holes than it creates.
Jeff
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Dick Kistler
How do you know that, at this early date? I think it plugs the holes we knowjeff4379 said:There will always be security holes in any product...this is not unique to
Microsoft.
SP2 plugs MANY more security holes than it creates.
about and have thought about. And it strengthens the code in some places in
ways that we know are more difficult to crack. But to make a blanket
statement that there will be fewer security holes that say, sp1, at this
point is wild optimism.
Dick Kistler
J
jeff4379
I disagree...as you stated: "I think it plugs the holes we know about and
have thought about."
Like I said, more secure...obviously there will be NEW ways to exploit the
system, but these will ALWAYS exist.
have thought about."
Like I said, more secure...obviously there will be NEW ways to exploit the
system, but these will ALWAYS exist.
K
Ken Blake
In
It's certainly true that Jeff can't know that for sure. But it's
an entirely reasonable point of view, and far from "wild
optimism."
SP2 includes all the SP1 fixes, so it's highly unlikely that any
old security exposure are reintroduced by installing it. And as
far as I remember, all the Windows XP security exposures that
have come to light to date were there in the original code, not
introduced by a fix (and if that statement is wrong, they are
surely not many counter-examples). It's certainly possible that a
"fix" can introduce a security exposure, but the history of
Windows XP has shown us few, if any, examples of this occurring.
Dick Kistler said:How do you know that, at this early date? I think it plugs the
holes
we know about and have thought about. And it strengthens the
code in
some places in ways that we know are more difficult to crack.
But to
make a blanket statement that there will be fewer security
holes that
say, sp1, at this point is wild optimism.
It's certainly true that Jeff can't know that for sure. But it's
an entirely reasonable point of view, and far from "wild
optimism."
SP2 includes all the SP1 fixes, so it's highly unlikely that any
old security exposure are reintroduced by installing it. And as
far as I remember, all the Windows XP security exposures that
have come to light to date were there in the original code, not
introduced by a fix (and if that statement is wrong, they are
surely not many counter-examples). It's certainly possible that a
"fix" can introduce a security exposure, but the history of
Windows XP has shown us few, if any, examples of this occurring.
D
Dick Kistler
No doubt. XP is more secure. If perfect is 100, where are we. 20 or 90.It's certainly true that Jeff can't know that for sure. But it's
an entirely reasonable point of view, and far from "wild optimism."
SP2 includes all the SP1 fixes, so it's highly unlikely that any old
security exposure are reintroduced by installing it. And as far as I
remember, all the Windows XP security exposures that have come to light to
date were there in the original code, not introduced by a fix (and if that
statement is wrong, they are surely not many counter-examples). It's
certainly possible that a "fix" can introduce a security exposure, but the
history of Windows XP has shown us few, if any, examples of this
occurring.
We don't know. We just have a feeling. We may be wrong.
My experience is that statements about security and such need to be very
conservative. For instance, the movie industry thought that their encryption
methods were sufficient. Wrong! Even the activation of Microsoft products
has been broken. My guess is that some simple, in hindsight obvious flaws
will be found in SP2. It always happens that way.
Don't get me wrong, SP2 is a worthwhile upgrade and will definitely
make hacker's lives tougher. We can meet in a year and you can tell
me "I told you so."
Dick
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Dale Richards
Jim said:
These two "flaws" that have been discovered don't seem to be much of a
problem to me. I'd be very surprised if anyone actually found a malicious
use for them.
Sounds like a non-issue to me, and just another journalist's attempt to bash
Microsoft for the fun of it.
K
Ken Blake
In
That was my only point.
I have no idea. I don't even know how to assign numerical weights
to various security features. Again, my only point was that
Jeff's statement was far from "wild optimism."
Then we agree. It didn't seem like that to me from your earlier
message.
Dick Kistler said:No doubt. XP is more secure.
That was my only point.
If perfect is 100, where are we. 20 or
90.
I have no idea. I don't even know how to assign numerical weights
to various security features. Again, my only point was that
Jeff's statement was far from "wild optimism."
Don't get me wrong, SP2 is a worthwhile upgrade and will
definitely
make hacker's lives tougher.
Then we agree. It didn't seem like that to me from your earlier
message.
F
Frank
jeff4379 said:There will always be security holes in any product...this is not
unique to
Microsoft.
SP2 plugs MANY more security holes than it creates.
Jeff
Kind of reminds me of security codes (encryption) as soon as
someone writes one, someone breaks the code. PROGRESS
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